[Closed] I fear for the human race

It must be about time to cleanse these **** off the planet.

So, Eugenics the answer to someone making an extremely poorly judged gesture and remark?

Yeah, that's proportionate, of course, right.... 🙄

Course it's nasty. Proper malicious and callous. But you're talking about some form of 'social cleansing'?

Who's on your 'list' then? Scrotes? Benefit Scroungers? Thick people? Darkies? People with nicer bikes than you?

She mad a bad taste joke or perhaps she meant it. Anyway is she not entitled to an opinion in your brave new world?

Idiots who don't actually think about what they are saying/doing.
Quite good to see this actually being acted on.

When my other half joined the police, one of the first jobs she had to go to was a pub fight that turned a bit nasty. It was in a very anti-police area & two of the officers there had been beaten up; one of them had been kicked in the head several times.
Apparently there were several people leaning out of their upstairs window shouting that they hoped the two officers die & others trying to stop the ambulance getting to them.

Anyway is she not entitled to an opinion in your brave new world?

Not if she was deliberately threatening or intimidating someone, no.

Not if she was deliberately threatening or intimidating someone, no.

Balls. She's still entitled to an opinion same as anyone else. In this case, Justice appears to be working well and hopefully she will receive a sentence appropriate for the level of her 'crime'.

What we should really be looking at, rather than spouting bile over some woman who's obviously not too bright, is why there is so much anger directed towards police. And tbh, it's not without reason. I'm reminded of the Keith Blakelock murder, and how many folk in deprived urban areas saw it as a 'victory' over the police, who were at times extremely flawed and prejudiced in their treatment of certain communities. I also remember the anger following the death of Colin Roach, and the lack of Justice for his family.

But no, carry on hating rather than trying to understand. It's a lot less intellectually taxing...

Moaty was a legend though wasn't he.

Very very stupid insensitive person puts foot in mouth. Hardly news.

In British society we are actually under pressure to be funny and witty all the time, some people are just really bad at it.

Balls. She's still entitled to an opinion same as anyone else.

She is. But she is not entitled to threaten and intimidate members of the public or the police force.

If someone publicly threatened you or your family wouldn't you want something done about it?

Ah, but you suggested she wasn't entitled to an [i]opinion[/i]. Different.

If someone publicly threatened you or your family wouldn't you want something done about it?

I have actually bin publicly threatened with police standing there watching the whole thing. They did nothing about it. Probbly the best course of action really (some fat sweaty car driver giving it all thayt cos I held him up or something).

TBH, as nasty and callous as it may seem, this is a pretty minor 'crime', and one not really worthy of reporting IMO.

She mad a bad taste joke or perhaps she meant it. Anyway is she not entitled to an opinion in your brave new world?

Not quite sure how making a gun gesture and saying "bang bang" relates to an "opinion"

The comments of "scum" and "cleanse" has nothing to do with race/colour/creed/class or what music they listen to, it relates to the fact that there are scum that walk this earth, scum who think it's ok to act how they want, do what they want and rarely have to face up to any consequences. We live in a country where the criminals are held in higher stature than the people who try to live a good life. 4 masked burglars break into a house and the guy protecting his property and family end up in the frame for murder. You get driven into by an uninsured/no road fund license/banned for drink driving idiot and you end up paying through the nose for your insurance and they get off with a fine or have to pick up litter for a week. A woman in Dundee swings her baby round her head by it's feet then gets into a punch up while holding the child......the excuse? "drink and drugs".......oh well that's fine then!!

The balance in this country has tipped into the favour of the scum and perhaps something needs to change.

Balls. She's still entitled to an opinion same as anyone else.

What 'opinion' was she making??

She's still entitled to an opinion same as anyone else.

but not all opinions are equally valid. When as a society we wake up to this blatently obvious statement things will start to get better.

In this particular case it would appear the judiciary don't think her opinion was valid either, hence the fact she's being sentenced.....

Apparently there were several people leaning out of their upstairs window shouting that they hoped the two officers die & others trying to stop the ambulance getting to them

That's terrible, it certainly sounds like an area where the police need to put some effort into improving their relationship with the local community.

[b]Stop Press!![/b] Policeman gets teased. "I'm all upset now" says upset copper.

"Hate" seems to be chucked about so much in articles currently. It's so emotive and shortcuts a rational process of figuring things out.

She said a cruel thing, but is clearly acting without a sense of empathy. The answer is not to destroy those who don't understand but educate them. Children are given the benefit of the doubt, but once someone is 18+ they may still be developmentally a child. I'm not talking about learning disabilities but emotional maturity. Our current culture appears to be retarding those who aren't yet familiar with questioning the information they are given.

There are loads of reasons as to why she would behave in such a way. People's attitudes/experiences with Police make them forget that they are ordinary humans too.

What she said is unacceptable, but reacting in this way will only compound and reinforce these behaviours.

I too find it horrifying to see how humans behave but it doesn't just stem from nowhere. She is a symptom, not the problem.

We humans are all in a race?

dogbert - Member

We live in a country where the criminals are held in higher stature than the people who try to live a good life. ...................

The balance in this country has tipped into the favour of the scum and perhaps something needs to change.

Bullshine. this is simply not true. ~conviction rates are up, imprisonment rates are very high ridiculously so in comparison to most countries, crime is significantly down and has been trending down for decades.

Stop believing the daily wail agenda

The comments of "scum" and "cleanse" has nothing to do with race/colour/creed/class or what music they listen to, it relates to the fact that there are scum that walk this earth, scum who think it's ok to act how they want, do what they want and rarely have to face up to any consequences.

Define 'scum'.

We humans are all in a race?

Not you, you didn't qualify

So, Eugenics the answer to someone making an extremely poorly judged gesture and remark?

"Define 'scum'."

Nearly always, but not exclusively, fat lasses from Sunderland.

We live in a country where the criminals are held in higher stature than the people who try to live a good life. 4 masked burglars break into a house and the guy protecting his property and family end up in the frame for murder.

I blame society.

fat lasses from Sunderland.

pleonasm

..and i'll tell you another thing sea anenomes? fekkin sea anenaomes, eh? what're thay all about? coming over here with their tentacles and eating our great british plankton. nuke the fekkerd and do it now before they bereed with well whatever it is they're up to.

The balance in this country has tipped into the favour of the scum and perhaps something needs to change.

NEXT TIME IT COULD BE A CHILD'S FACE

Not quite sure how making a gun gesture and saying "bang bang" relates to an "opinion"

but not all opinions are equally valid. When as a society we wake up to this blatently obvious statement things will start to get better

The balance in this country has tipped into the favour of the scum and perhaps something needs to change

What needs to change is the papers need to stop coming up with one-sided populist garbage just to sell copies 🙁

but not all opinions are equally valid. When as a society we wake up to this blatently obvious statement things will start to get better

You are right YOUR opinion is always superior thanks for the head up.

Thanks for the sarcasm, rather undermines your next statement.

molgrips - Member

Very very stupid insensitive person puts foot in mouth

aye fair point

molgrips - Member

Very very stupid insensitive person puts foot in mouth. Hardly news.

sums it up nicely, i'd say.

Moaty was a legend though wasn't he.

Absolutely, anyone that abuses young girls has to be eh? And they imprisoned him for it? Should have given him a medal eh?

I blame society.

I blame society.

I blame blame culture.

I blame Smiley Culture

Absolutely, anyone that abuses young girls has to be eh?

Hmm, that's a bit sensationalist don't you think? Apparently all I can find is that Moat's only criminal conviction was for an 'assault' on a child family member (gender not specified). For which he received a sentence of 18 weeks. I have no idea of the nature of the assault, but I doubt it was of a sexual nature, as you'd get a much longer sentence, and might not have bin particularly serious as again, you'd get much longer. Not defending him, just trying to establish actual facts rather than get sucked into the vitriol.

So, a conviction for an assault on a child turns into 'abuses young girls'.

Do you work for the Sun?

Freedom of Speech means you get to hear things you don't like. Lots of people have stupid and unpalatable thoughts. Welcome to humanity.

I blame Smiley Culture

I blame Carole Smiley

Apparently all I can find is that Moat's only criminal conviction was for an 'assault' on a child family member (gender not specified). For which he received a sentence of 18 weeks. I have no idea of the nature of the assault, but I doubt it was of a sexual nature,

I never mentioned any 'sexual' element, maybe a Freudian slip by you? I think the girl was his daughter or step daughter, about 9 I think. Perhaps you don't understand what the word 'abuse' means?

So, a conviction for an assault on a child turns into 'abuses young girls'.

You've misquoted, 'abuses' is plural because it refers to 'anyone'. I didn't imply he was guilt of more than one abuse, but you chose to infer it.

"abuser of children" is an ambigous phrase and most folk would consider it to mean something sexual rather than he hit them IMHO.

Anyway is she not entitled to an opinion in your brave new world?

Opinion yes, Offensive no. Simple really

Next !

"abuser of children" is an ambigous phrase and most folk would consider it to mean something sexual rather than he hit them IMHO.

'Most folk' think the Millennium changed between 1999 and 2000.

Opinion yes, Offensive no. Simple really

Next !

Yup, simple.

But before we move on, can you just quickly clarify the 'offensive' bit? I mean just briefly, who decides and how?

'Most folk' think the Millennium changed between 1999 and 2000.

Which is why if you a referring to 2000/2001 specifically, you would do well to clarify, just to avoid confusion.

So if you use deliberatly ambigous language any resulting confusion is due to the reader?
I decide what is offensive CM and I set the bar quite low

I never mentioned any 'sexual' element, maybe a Freudian slip by you?

I din't say you did. Just trying to understand the nature of the 'abuse'. Eliminated sexual abuse as a possibility, based on lack of information. The relatively low sentence would almost certainly rule out any sexual abuse, and indeed more serious physical abuse. So, I'm assuming that it was a relatively 'minor' form of assault, and not one which resulted in any long term or permanent physical harm.

"Assault' could be all sorts of things. 'Abuse' might imply some form of pre-meditated action designed to control someone through physical or mental harm or coercion.

You have to agree, the phrase 'abuses young girls' is a tad more emotive in our sentationalist media obsessed society than 'assault on a child'.

You've misquoted, 'abuses' is plural because it refers to 'anyone'. I didn't imply he was guilt of more than one abuse, but you chose to infer it.

I don't think I have 'misquoted' you. I do think you're being a little defensive however.

Which is why if you a referring to 2000/2001 specifically, you would do well to clarify, just to avoid confusion.

If I had to clarify every remark I made to cater for the uneducated I'd never actually get any work done! I feel like creating some really good (amusing) examples but I'll let you use your imagination instead.

If I had to clarify every remark I made to cater for the uneducated I'd never actually get any work done!

True, but if you just kept it to the ambiguous ones, you'd probably find it manageable.

'Most folk' think the Millennium changed between 1999 and 2000.

Oooh that's right - throw in the old [i]ordinal vs cardinal numbering system debate[/i] - why does that ALWAYS come up in arguments about free speech? 😉

If I had to clarify every remark I made to cater for the uneducated

Oh I see, throw in a remark about the intellectual ability of those who might not quite understand your ambiguity, right, ok, cos that's gonna win you points, isn't it?

Unpleasant, yes. But I wouldn't say offending someone was justification for criminal proceedings.

Oh I see, throw in a remark about the intellectual ability of those who might not quite understand your ambiguity, right, ok, cos that's gonna win you points, isn't it?

Of course it is, only an idiot wouldn't see that!

Unpleasant, yes. But I wouldn't say offending someone was justification for criminal proceedings.

I'd like to see STW if it were!!

Very cold hearted comment to the Police officer who lost his vision.

Of course it is, only an idiot wouldn't see that!

I am actually an idiot, and that's offensive and an attack on my Human Rights. 😥

I am actually an idiot, and that's offensive and an attack on my Human Rights

Not at all, you have always been allowed to exercise the right to be an idiot, on this forum.

I am actually an idiot, and that's offensive and an attack on my Human Rights.

Are you saying he's not entitled to an opinion? 😈

Tell me, were he not a policeman blinded at the hands of a celebrated killer, would she even have been deemed to have committed a crime?

Can't see, even in a just society, this warranted her being criminalised TBH.

I agree with the judgement, they've got her bang to rights!

edit: uh oh, Now I've said bang!!

simply if i heard her say it id smash her head in!

Very cold hearted comment to the Police officer who lost his vision.

Very, but surely not grounds for legal action? That's just daft.

Very, but surely not grounds for legal action? That's just daft.

True, but justice is blind

coffeeking - Member
Very cold hearted comment to the Police officer who lost his vision.
Very, but surely not grounds for legal action? That's just daft.

Tell me, were he not a policeman blinded at the hands of a celebrated killer, would she even have been deemed to have committed a crime?

Well IANAL, but from my in-depth watching of such exemplary documentaries as "Cops With Cameras" and "Road Wars" I can tell you that public order offences seem to be rolled out fairly regularly - especially when folk are giving grief to police officers (being aggressive, threatening, spitting at them, swearing etc).

joao3v16 - Member
We humans are all in a race?

top prize is a 2 week holiday in France 🙂

in some countries she would be going to prison for a very long time.

True, and in some countries men are allowed to rape women and no-one bats an eyelid. Fortunately we are meant to live in a sensible country and this, I fear, is not sensible.

top prize is a 2 week holiday in France

2nd prize is 4 weeks

PeterPoddy won 2 weeks mtbing in Tenerife, the lucky bastid. 😡

Are you saying he's not entitled to an opinion?

It depends. Am I entitled to an onion?

I had a good chat with the copper who attended my road accident last week while we waited for recovery to turn up and clear the road.

He said it was nice to be dealing with a "proper victim" for a change as most of his work was intervening in conflicts between equally nasty people.

Define 'scum'

Scum is something thats just floated to the top, then just sits there, no use to anybody.

simply if i heard her say it id smash her head in!

+1.

stuff society and "lowering good people to their level" and all other heated but informed Stw discussions.

hanging's too good for her, get me my "cleansing" stick

Scum is something thats just floated to the top, then just sits there, no use to anybody.

What, like the aristocracy, David Cameron and the Royal Family?

Blimey...

so she did this and you will kill her for this in a way worse than hanging. Now we are all meant to think she has no morals or ethics and you have excellent morals and ethics.
So two wrongs dont make a right unless the second wrong is hugely disproportionate to the first.

We all need to remain balanced. Saying that, she's obviously carrying a few spuds and that hat and the goldie lookin chain isn't helping.

I bet she's dead clever and her or her offspring will be curing cancer or global climate change warming in a trice and we'll all look back and laugh. Except the copper. Who cant.

She was arrested after making the comment and a gun gesture with two fingers behind the officer's back on 2 March.

So actually the person that told him what she was up to caused the distress...

I find taking people like to this to court to be an extreme waste of the taxpayers money, it would be far more fun to set the authorities on them for all of their other misdemeanour's.

Absolutely, anyone that abuses young girls has to be eh? And they imprisoned him for it? Should have given him a medal eh?

Ironyometer fail.

So, scum and cream are the same?

[i]"Define 'scum'."[/i]

Difficult to 'define' but come to where I work & I'll point a few out.

surely not all screws are scum ?

i'm doing jury service soon - will be interesting toactually have to decide for real. not sure if i will be a hang em and flog em or a soft liberal touch.