[Closed] htc or apple

i'd go HTC, for the bigger screen alone!

Would be comparing a S3 not a oneX, battery life is a bit poor on the oneX.

Though really, I'd wait a month. New iphone imminent...

One S maybe, less comedy-phone sized?

If you already have a Desire, and love it, then why would you be disappointed at not going for Apple?

i'd go HTC, for the bigger screen alone!

Personally the One X is a bit [i]too[/i] big for my liking.

+1 wait for iP5 release. Supposedly Sept (from tech media) even though carriers won't admit this. I'm out of contract with an iP4 and ticking over on a cheap monthly tariff whilst waiting to see. Can't see it being much of a leap forward mind. Will also most likely cost up front IRO of £100-£300 depending on storage/mins etc.

Can't see it being much of a leap forward mind.

Thinner and a bigger screen according to the latest leaks/rumours.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/18/iphone-5-photos-leak-front-panel/

Not sure if the bigger screen is a good thing to be honest, but thinner is always nice.

Flip a coin.
They're phones. I'm sure either will make you happy.

Regardless of if you get a iP5 (why 5 though, it's the 6th one! "New iPhone" I reckon ) or not, it'll affect the market and drive down the price a bit on a 4S.

Flip a coin.
They're phones. I'm sure either will make you happy.

Just like bikes...

I'd get the iphone for the screen size alone.

Just like bikes...

Except you can't ride a phone (obviously)

And you can't play Infinity Blade II on a bike...

(or post pointless comments on internet forums either!)

Infinity what?
Something's telling me I'm not fully utilising my smart phone....

Infinity what?

Just a game. Pretty and mildly diverting...

[img] [/img]

[img] [/img]

Is it free? I like free I do.

Nope sorry. You'd have to fork out a mighty £2.
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/infinity-blade-ii/id447689011?mt=8

But it is a universal app, so you can play it on your iPhone and iPad.

But it is a universal app, so you can play it on your iPhone and iPad.

Only buying it once?
The Itunes is connected to the mrs bank account anyway 😈

HTC One S is excellent and plenty big. One X is too big and poor battery.

"[i]Not sure if the bigger screen is a good thing to be honest, but thinner is always nice.[/i]"

Not for me it's not - I hate thin phones; the thinner they are the harder it is to hold them with any degree of stability. My Desire is vastly ergonomically better with a Casemate tough case round it, and my Xperia Active is nice because it's slightly fat in the first place. It's not as if they don't fit in my pocket, either, so I can't see any disadvantage. Quite why no-one in the industry seems to have twigged that a fat phone is much easier to use and can have two or three times the battery capacity, I've no idea.

Only buying it once?
The Itunes is connected to the mrs bank account anyway

Yep, as long as they are both on the same iTunes account.

That goes for all apps. We buy once then we can use the app either of our iPhones or the iPad without paying again. One of the nice things about the Apple "ecosystem".

the thinner they are the harder it is to hold them with any degree of stability

I can hold a sheet of paper really well. When phones get thinner than that I'll start worrying 😀

"[i]We buy once then we can use the app either of our iPhones or the iPad without paying again. One of the nice things about the Apple "ecosystem".[/i]"

And equally true of the Android "ecosystem".

And equally true of the Android "ecosystem".

Is it? Cool. Wasn't intended as a slight at Android, I just mean it's one of the advantages of sticking with a single system, rather than say getting an Android phone and a Apple iPad (or vice-versa).

"[i]I can hold a sheet of paper really well.[/i]"

Chapeau. What was that remark you made about pointless comments? 😉

Yes, a really thin phone/tablet is fine if, like a piece of paper, you only physically interact with it when it's supported by something flat such a desk and you have something to prevent it sliding around whilst you do interact with it.

Actually that's probably where all this will [i]eventually[/i] lead. An ultra-thin display that folds up like a piece of paper.

But maybe not for a few years just yet.

Regardless of if you get a iP5 (why 5 though, it's the 6th one! "New iPhone" I reckon ) or not, it'll affect the market and drive down the price a bit on a 4S.

So fatboba. What did you plump up for, surprise us by taking a photo.on.you old htc 😉

I got the HTC in the end (can't take a piccy as I traded the old phone, it wasn't working anyway). Turns out once I spoke the to the guy in the shop again, he could do it for £10 cheaper a month than the iphone with the same minutes/texts/internet

Also it was the wife that put it in perspective over our coffee:

wife: "why do you want the iphone when you've just sat and gone on about how great Android is on the phone i've got? (she just bought a Sony Experia)"

me: "erm.....um, eh,etc."

wife: "yep, thought so, you want one because because someone else has got one or because it says Apple on it......just MTFU and get what [u]you[/u] want rather than what you think other people have got"

the missus has the level head in this relationship......and yes she did say MTFU (but the whole sentence!)

S3 - size is great 🙂

If the iphone-blah has a bigger screen it will just confuse all the app developers who believed Apple in the one screen size only guff.

why not to await for the new iphone?

Would we expect the new iPhone to affect HTC prices and deals?

"yep, thought so, you want one because because someone else has got one or because it says Apple on it......just MTFU and get what you want rather than what you think other people have got"

If I were you I'd keep a careful note of this argument for future use, particularly around the areas of shoes, handbags, and other must-haves 😀

I got the HTC One X for £18.41 a month on tmobile and free phone (mobiles.co.uk)

I got the HTC One X for £18.41 a month on tmobile and free phone (mobiles.co.uk)

Interesting *strokes beard*

I got the HTC One X for £18.41 a month

Yeah but you'll spend four times that having to buy new jeans and jackets with extra huge pockets 😉

Incidentally MoneySavingExpert have a nice iPhone contract comparison tool:
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/deals/cheap-iphone#compare

The cheapest iPhone 4s deal is apparently "free" 16GB phone and £26 a month (100mins/500txt/250MB)

So HTC is still the way to go if you favour cheapness.

Any storage experts here? I have an HTC Desire which I'm due to change in a couple of months. I will probably get an iPhone - the HTC has been fine but it was always running out of space (probably mainly down to Adobe Air). I have no idea what size it is and therefore I don't know what size iPhone I need. I don't store music on it but will probably take a few photos.

Certainly with the new HTC phones you tend to get some 'cloud' storage with the contract. 25gb of Dropbox I got.
It makes up for the fact that they somehow decided it would be a good idea to do away with an SD slot...

Wallop - I take it you kept getting low memory warnings? That is due to a known issue with the Desire not having enough memory for apps. Most (if not all) phones since don't have that problem. If you look at memory use in the settings you will probably find a lot of SD card space remaining, but not much phone memory.

I've had 'running low on space' warnings on my HTC Desire for a while now, but that's due to the measly 512MB of RAM on board the Desire. I know the HTC One X and One S come with 1GB of RAM so I'm hoping that addresses that particular problem. We put 16GB micro SD cards in ours when we first got them though, so that side of things has never been an issue.

Try downloading 'App 2 SD' app - it's free and tells you what apps are stored where (whether on your phone or on your SD card) and how much memory they're all using and how much space you have left.

Stumpy01, you are spot on, so would I be OK with a 16gb iPhone?

redwoods - my phone tells me where the apps are stored, but it doesn't give me the option to move them all.

you need to root it to get full apps2sd benefit

You need Froyo or higher for App2SD support, too.

Wallop - yeah, as I understand it, it's the Achilles heel of the Desire. I am not sure, but it's the only recent smart phone I have heard of with this issue.

If you go into setting>applications>manage applications you can click on each of your downloaded applications and some will have the option to 'move to SD' freeing up phone memory for more apps.

As above you can use an app called apps2sd, which can help manage which apps are stored where, but you need to have updated your phone to Froyo for this to work.
I have Froyo on mine (Group is the latest version of Android that can easily be run on the Desire) but have never bothered with apps2sd.

I think my comment about moving apps to SD above through the settings is also dependant on you having Froyo. I think Froyo is 2.2 which you can check in settings, about phone, software information.

They're phones. [s]I'm sure[/s] [b]N[/b]either will make you happy.

FTFY

As above re the Desire issue. I find that life with it is much better after (a) refusing to allow it to link all my contacts with any Twitter/Flickr/etc accounts and (b) a full reset to nuke the expansive and ever-expanding storage requirements of HTC Mail, which would otherwise only be fixable by rooting.

I can't be arrised with all that firmware/software uprade/app installation nonsense. My OH put gingerbread on it for me, which was an improvement, but I am a girl - I just want to know what size iPhone I need 😳

Thanks for everyone's help though 😀

Wallop, if you can afford it, go for the 32Gb version, because, just like a handbag, no matter how big it is, you can always find stuff to fill it up with! Photos and video take up a lot of room, and I've got a lot of maps on mine as well.
Believe me, if a 128Gb iPhone turns up next month, I'm having it!
In fact, a 256Gb iPhone would be peachy, as I've got 112Gb of music on my Classic, and I'd only need to carry one device around with me. 😀

Ooh yes, maps - hadn't thought of that. Will bear that in mind! 8)

Believe me, maps are one of the best bits. I've got Viewranger on mine, with 1:50k maps sideloaded from a DVD I bought from them some years ago for my crappy Nokia N95. At the moment I have the whole of the southern UK from Kidderminster down, along with areas of 1:25k. I've also got UK Map with large chunks of 1:25k and 1:10k, which are free.
There's also Co-Pilot satnav, which takes up a fair bit of space too. Not sure how much space each uses, but the total is gigabytes.
That's why I say go for the biggest capacity you can afford, because if you're using a smartphone properly, and taking real advantage of its capabilities, then you're going to find lots of stuff to fill it up with!

Considering going from android to apple myself. Is it true that you don't get free turn by turn navigation on a 4s?

Integrated Sat Nav is coming on the next iPhone and on the next release of the iOS operating system which the 4S will be able to upgrade to.

Shocking really that it's taken this long when you consider that Google Maps, Earth, Streetview and Navigation are integrated into Android and give the user a complete Sat Nav package without having to install third party apps.

It's glaring omissions like this that have put me off the iPhone, it's a gorgeous device but it's capabilities have long been surpassed by the Android OS.

For space have a look at the S3 32gb. With up to a 64gb card for everything else thats a lot of space (there is also a 64gb version coming) same free google sat nav and an samsung one (think there is a pay version after a trial).

Supposed announcement date for the Ip5 is sep21st. You won't be able to get you hands on it for at least a month after that

Integrated Sat Nav is coming on the next iPhone.. Shocking really that it's taken this long.. glaring omissions like this that have put me off the iPhone

You do realise that the Maps on iPhone is [i]Google[/i] Maps?

For [i]some strange reason[/i] Google were able to add turn-by-turn directions on the Android (i.e. Google) version of Google Maps, but not the iPhone version.

Hmmm... funny that.

Turn-by-turn is now coming in the new iOS because Apple have finally told Google to stick it up their corporate motto and have bought their own mapping solution instead.

FWIW though, I don't think my iPhone experience particularly suffered from having to spend 30 seconds installing third-party sat navs. I currently have four and they all offer significant improvements over Google Maps.

Graham S.....why on earth would Google give one of their best features (the turn by turn aspect of navigation on Google Maps) to a competitor?....quite rightly they have kept that feature for their own operating system!....i dont see Apple giving away their tech for free to competitors, in fact Apple is quite fond of litigation for anything it feels has infringed on iOS....funny though that Apple had no qualms in taking the notification bar from Android/Google to put in the latest iOS.

If iOS was all singing and dancing it would have had integrated sat nav years ago....even Nokia has had Nokia Drive on their phones since 2010.

The iphone is a great bit of hardware but the OS needs a major overhaul, even tech websites are starting to grumble that it is becoming stale.....the lack of basic features like live widgets for facebook, twitter, news feeds, sports feeds etc that show constantly updating information without having to open the App itself is one of the most annoying aspects of iOS....to change this would mean moving away from the familiar grid formation of icons on the iphone screen and becoming more like....Android....which is why i suspect Apple hasnt done it yet.

Also i love how on my other half's Galaxy S3 she can minimise a video being watched into the corner of the screen and continue doing whatever she likes with the rest of the phone, browse the internet, send an email etc....its little things like this that Android has moved ahead with, meanwhile Apple continues to bang on about how intuitive it's OS is....that's great but it's also stuck in 2007.

For some strange reason Google were able to add turn-by-turn directions on the Android (i.e. Google) version of Google Maps, but not the iPhone version.

Hmmm... funny that.

We need a name for this phenomena. How about "the iTunes effect"?

why on earth would Google give one of their best features (the turn by turn aspect of navigation on Google Maps) to a competitor?

Well, yes, exactly.

So it isn't really "shocking" that iOS took a while to get built-in turn-by-turn.

Google got itself signed up as the Map supplier for iOS 1.0 in 2007. Android was released six months later.

Then in late 2009 Google added turn-by-turn directions to the Android version of Google Maps, but stuck the finger up at Apple, effectively using their position to nicely cripple their competition.

Hence now we have Apple kicking out Google and getting their own maps.

If iOS was all singing and dancing it would have had integrated sat nav years ago....

It takes time to acquire a new map supplier, let the contract with Google expire and to develop all new map software.

In the meantime, I really don't see why "integrated" is such a big deal. It only takes a few seconds to go to the App Store and download free satnav apps that have better features than the Google one.
(bear in mind that Apple devices come with App Store already on them. You don't have to root them, then change/update firmware, then install Google Play, and then download the app!)

having live widgets for facebook, twitter, news feeds, sports feeds etc that show constantly updating information is one of the most annoying aspects of Android because it kills the battery, eats data allowance, leads to incompatibility between apps and means you need a task killer to get rid of all the background apps

FTFY 😀 One man's poison...

Anyway, this is turning into another terribly dull iOS vs Android thread, so I'll leave it at that for now.

Fair enough, i will just say though that Google Play (the Android equivalent of the App Store) is obviously installed on the phone already!....there is no need to root the phone to get access to Android Apps, i have no idea who told you that, that is misinformation of the worst kind!....you just need a Gmail account.

That's generally the case, but there are exceptions. The Kindle Fire, for instance, doesn't come with Play (though I don't think there's anything stopping you from just installing the .apk). I think from memory some bottom-feeder cheap tablets don't either.

having live widgets for facebook, twitter, news feeds, sports feeds etc that show constantly updating information is one of the most annoying aspects of Android because it kills the battery, eats data allowance, leads to incompatibility between apps and means you need a task killer to get rid of all the background apps

Well, that's somewhere between inaccurate and disingenuous. Widgets aren't mandatory, if you don't like them, don't use them. I'm not sure what 'incompatibility' you're referring to, but over the course of three Android handsets I've never seen any such thing. And you don't need a task killer to get rid of background apps because, well, simply, Android does not work like that.

(At a high level, memory management on iOS and Android are really rather similar conceptually, in fact. Background apps are generally suspended unless they're specially intended to run as a service, eg an mp3 player or a GPS tracker that you'd want to run whilst doing other things. The idea that you have to use a task killer to 'free up memory' on either platform is a fallacy stemming from very old versions of Android and a mindset coming from conventional platforms like Windows. If you have a pint of beer, you don't gain more beer by drinking it out of a two pint mug).

Yep I was basing my info on setting up my father-in-law's cheapie Android tablet.

Had to jump through quite a few hoops, including changing the firmware, before it would let me install Google Play.

I'm not sure what 'incompatibility' you're referring to, but over the course of three Android handsets I've never seen any such thing. And you don't need a task killer to get rid of background apps because, well, simply, Android does not work like that.

Hmm okay. All I know is every other Android problem thread I drop in on has someone talking about killing tasks and apps that don't work together.

That could well be fallacy though. Folk talk about killing apps on iOS too even though it makes chuff all difference on 99 % of apps.

My point exactly. It's a misunderstanding.

If I were you I'd keep a careful note of this argument for future use, particularly around the areas of shoes, handbags, and other must-haves

Luckily, my missus cares not for such fancy things and is quite frugal when it comes to shoes and what-not, i'm the label whore apparantley

Having had the OneX a few days I can confirm it was the right choice. A lot faster than my old Desire and the big screen is great. Seems a bit comedy sized at the moment but I'll get used to it, I used to think the desire had a massive screen compared to my ipod.

Still getting to grips with it but I like it and I'm glad I didn't go for the iphone (had a real play with it in the shop and to be honest, i found it hard to understand why it was better than my Desire other than storage)

Currently trying to decide whether to upgrade to the HTC One S, One X or Sony Experia S...

Need to get to a shop & try a few out.