[Closed] How would you become Scottish?

Is having property in Scotland and paying council tax enough?

I doubt it. Rules for independent Scottish citizenship obviously don't exist (yet), because Scotland isn't independent. But I think most countries with such rules require you to be actually resident in the country for a set period of time before you can apply for citizenship.

e.g. UK requires a minimum of five years residency: https://www.gov.uk/british-citizenship

If bills are being paid how do they know you are not resident?

I’m sure Scotland will go independent and rejoin the eu.

Seeing as we cannot decide what is happening tomorrow, let alone at the end of next month, I think that is a long game prediction, on some very shaky fears about the future.

If you want the benefits of Scotland (now and any changes in the future) then you better contribute as a resident first, not landed gentry. Scotland already has issues like that. 😉

Why would we need to club together?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/the-cheapest-homes-on-the-market-in-scotland-right-now-1-4422561

Imagine the citizenship test !
"in the local vernacular, how would you discourage a Glaswegian ne'er-do-well from loitering in the region of your locked-up bicycle?"

Why go to Scotland some dude mayor in Italy will give you a house for a quid....avoid the mess of the uk and its history full stop

You cannot become scottish. You can become one of the people of Scotland / a Scottish resident. ( pedantic point) Making it your home is the real answer. Living here is how you do it. This is how EU nationals and others with right to remain were able to vote in the Scottish referendum and in Scottish elections.

Its unclear how this would work in an independent Scotland but being a Scottish citizen, being a eu citizen, having the right to live here if neither of the above and actually living here should do

A holiday home would not be enough I think

Or - a "see you jimmy hat", a scotland rugby shirt, kilt and a pair of tacketty boots should do. We might reduce the requirements a little if you are sufficiently ginger

Or there is the "Doddy Weir" method - a lurid tartan suit.

Diet of deep friend haggis and bru!

Imagine the citizenship test !

Define the following:

1. Tapps aff
2. Sleekit
3. Scunner
4. Tablet
5. Margaret Thatcher
6. Ma heid is mince

What is your weekly unit intake of:
1. mince and tatties
2. Ginger
3. Alcoholic beveridges

(etc)

Blood mmol/l >10
BAC >.1

Or there is the “Doddy Weir” method – a lurid tartan suit.

Only if worn for every work occasion for a year - evidence needed...

How would you become Scottish?

“Nobody thought Mel Gibson could play a Scot but look at him now! Alcoholic and a racist!” – Frankie Boyle

Know what glaekit means, wear baffies etc without googlin

Wonder how Scotland becoming an independent country(if) would work if we stayed in the EU. Lots of folk from Scotland heading across the border to England for cheap dentistry, suits and tequila, sorry; gin?

Still a long shot though.

We're aw Jock Tamson's bairns

How would you become Scottish?

Lose a game of tennis, just ask Andy Murray.

Errr...I would rather be living on the street than call myself Scottish ..
Love visiting the country ..but that is just a step too far ..

If bills are being paid how do they know you are not resident?

Where are you registered to vote would be the first place to look

You'll need to learn how to pronounce Milngavie

Explain in less than 500 words why yi cannae shove yer Granny aff a bus?

What are the odds of a mother propelled jeely peice making contact with terra firma having been ejected from a residence 20 floors in altitude from ground zero?

What football team do you support? (this question will be asked in a geographical location chosen by the question master)

Are you English?

then after independence you'd be Scottish (and British), both out of EU, at least until accession

my money was on DUP making a huge tactical error, NI+IE reuniting, in which case NI citizens would get a free ride in to EU in a similar way that East Germany got a free ride in (although technically German reunification was in that period immediately before Maastricht Treaty, so technically they got a rubber stamp in to EEC/EC, and then Germany became EU member in 1992 since that's the treaty founding the Union rather than Community)
So become NI citizen, then you can be British, Irish and EU. Possibly. And have more total rights rather than less.

You cannot become scottish. You can become one of the people of Scotland / a Scottish resident.

This makes me a bit uncomfortable. It's like saying to, for example an Indian immigrant 'You can live here, work, pay taxes, but you will never be British, always less than one of us.

I've lived in Scotland more than half my life, I actively chose the place, commited to it, and contribute to society through work, taxation and in many other ways.

I see myself as more Scottish than Sean Connery, who would do anything for Scotland but live there, and is just Scottish by virtue of an accident of birth.

This makes me a bit uncomfortable.

I think all TJ is saying is that there isn't actually such a thing as formal Scottish citizenship at the moment, so technically no one is officially Scottish. You become a member of Scottish society by living here, which is actually a very inclusive thing. There are lots of people with non Scottish accents living in Scotland who are more Scottish than Sean Connery.

I am perfectly happy with it as a brit of english descent who has made scotland my home. to me "scottish" is an ethnic group. "the people of Scotland" are the people who live here. So Connery is a scot, but he is no longer one of the people of scotland.

Some folk would agree with me, some would not. Its a subtle and pedantic point and quite honestly fairly irrelevant. The two terms get mixed up and used interchangably.

I would never call myself a Scot tho despite living here for 33 years.

You are right, I know TJ isn't a racist who want's to drive me into the sea (probably). And my experience here is entirely positive, it's a wonderful, welcoming country.

EDIT: TJ you are also right, I would never really describe myself as a Scot, and its all pretty irrelevant, to me it just feels like a way to divide us and foster a concept of 'otherness'. Not just here but worldwide.

I would never call myself a Scot tho despite living here for 33 years

So the windrush generation can't call themselves British then?

"it isn't important where you come from, what matters is where we are going together as a nation"[4]

Bashir Ahmed in a speech to the SNP confernece that got a standing ovation. This is the true face of scottish nationalism

Rayban - british is not an ethnic group - its a nationality. anglo saxon would be the equivalent. so of course the windrush generation can call themselves british. As do I.

Errr…I would rather be living on the street than call myself Scottish ..

As a Scot I fully support your decision.

So if Scotland, Wales and NI left - they couldn't call themselves English?

Dirty racist that I am, I just assumed that you were a Scot TJ 🙂

So the windrush generation can’t call themselves British then?

Of course they can.

Errr…I would rather be living on the street than call myself Scottish

Whit a bawbag.

I’m sure Scotland will go independent and rejoin the eu.

You are a bit paranoid aren't you.

🤷‍♂️

Whats a bawbag?

Is it attached to your willy on the east coast or boaby on the west

Whats a bawbag?

I would post a picture, but would get banned.

Scotland would have been independant by now if the English had been allowed to take part in IndyRef.

How would you become Scottish?

Am urr. TJ isny.

We might reduce the requirements a little if you are sufficiently ginger

Not ginger at all is sufficiently ginger.

If bills are being paid how do they know you are not resident?

If you are paying your bills it will be obvious that you aren't Scottish.

PP - Its "isnae"

Rayban – british is not an ethnic group – its a nationality. anglo saxon would be the equivalent.

Only if you are separating the Scots from the Picts etc. Scots are part of the grouping currently known as BAME as the are minority ethnic within the UK. As a caucasian myself I'm thinking of moving back to the Caucasus and re-establishing my right to citizenship, though I could become Indian as I am Aryan according to one school of thought currently out of favour.

What about if one of your parents is Scottish, would it be a simple process then?

PP – Its “isnae”

Naw it isny.

Its was made fairly clear during the scottish referendum that the SNPs view of citizenship was really pretty simple - if you live here then you would be entitled to scottish citizenship. Of course the SNPs view may not prevail but its likely. I think there would be other routes and IIRC something like "strong connections to the country" ie family or similar was also suggested. It was proposed to be fairly wide so that getting citizenship was easy but not available as a flag of convenience

it isnae "isny" its "isnae"

It isny “isnae” it’s isny intit

Only if you are separating the Scots from the Picts etc. Scots are part of the grouping currently known as BAME as the are minority ethnic within the UK. As a caucasian myself I’m thinking of moving back to the Caucasus and re-establishing my right to citizenship, though I could become Indian as I am Aryan according to one school of thought currently out of favour.

As you alluded to, Scots aren't even a homogenous ethnic group. They're a bastard mix of Basque gingers, Anglo Saxons and Norse.

How do they decide who gets to play for the Scottish rugby team ? If you take out the requirement for being good at playing rugby. Actually, I don't think that is a requirement on reflection. It must be just about being Scottish.

How do they decide who gets to play for the Scottish rugby team

They make them walk along Princes Street.

If they feel like a foreigner then they’re probably Scottish.

Hels. One or more scottish grandparents or 5 years residency ( used to be 3) tim visser played for scotland and was proud to be the first dutchman to play for Scotland. He never called himself scottish

Its a very odd nuanced and peculiar thing nationality and citizenship on these islands.

Are these guys Scottish?

Christ they just take anyone who knows its the eggshaped ball don't they?

“in the local vernacular, how would you discourage a Glaswegian ne’er-do-well from loitering in the region of your locked-up bicycle?”

Bolt ya rocket.

Away tae **** we speckie wee *****

Take it just don't hurt me please.

*Requires specticals for that one.

As you alluded to, Scots aren’t even a homogenous ethnic group. They’re a bastard mix of Basque gingers, Anglo Saxons and Norse.

I think there is a lot more in the mix than that.

“scottish” is an ethnic group. “the people of Scotland” are the people who live here. So Connery is a scot, but he is no longer one of the people of scotland

What about The Big Yin?....I=is he still Scottish?

I presume you just need to walk into a pub with an Englishman and an Irishman.

I'll be getting a Scottish passport when they devolve

Any way the qualifying question should be

What are Hummel doddies?

The rugby international qualification requirements would make Jackie Charlton cringe these days. 'Had a shite in a Scottish toilet? ideal, 'mon chase some eggs for us'.

Well my previous post got the type of response I was expecting 😂
I might well have a bit of tartan in me ..the Hodgson (clan) name originated in the Dumfries area..according to my Border Reivers chart ...

If you can follow this, you're in.

I’ll be getting a Scottish passport when they devolve

Devolution happened 20 years ago!

If it's not devolve what's the correct term

Scotxit?

Brawxit.

lols at no beer

Whats a bawbag?

Wear a skirt and talk funny ??

Wear a skirt and talk funny ??

That’s Eddie Izzard you’re thinking of.

He’s not Scottish

Scotland would have been independant by now if the English had been allowed to take part in IndyRef.

Yawn, then why do you think Westminster was so keen to keep us in the Union?

I'm moving to the Highlands at the end of March. No coincidence.

I've been practicing the accent for a while now, should fit in nicely I reckon.

I'm married to a Scot but live in England. Would I get Scottish citizenship, what any the kids.

I'm not sure I'd want the associated drop in life expectancy.

I’m not sure I’d want the associated drop in life expectancy.

You'd no longer have say you're English though - well worth a few years off your life.

I’ve been practicing the accent for a while now, should fit in nicely I reckon.

Depending on where in the Highlands, an English accent may fit in more...

^true

Questions:

What would a Scottish passport look like?

Also, Basque Gingers + Support are playing tonight at the Horny Sheppard. £3/4con on the door 8pm. See you there. I'll be down the front. Tapps aff.

What would a Scottish passport look like?

Scotland would have been independant by now if the English had been allowed to take part in IndyRef.

Plenty did, including my wife.

Scotland would have been independant by now if the English had been allowed to take part in IndyRef.

I voted in scotref. I'm English.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/73897/dual-citizenship-how-to-get-an-eu-passport-after-brexit

Plenty did, including my wife.

I voted in scotref. I’m English.

But you don't live in England. A vast majority of those living south of the border would gladly see Salmond & Surgeon and their acolytes float free into the North Sea. Then we could stop funding the Hibernian money pit.