Looks like the farmer at Seathwaite has finally had enough of people parking like dicks...
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Have to feel some sympathy for the farmer, That road is a nightmare on weekends...
been going on [url= https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=1707128 ]pistonheads[/url] for a while...
Reported that they were at a rememberance day service, so whilst my sympathies are with the farmer as this is a right nightmare in the lakes, it seems like nobody wins and everyone ends up looking like dicks
True dat.
Yup a right pita for the farmer. Criminal damage all the same.
Nothing new. Many years ago I was I Langdale and the cop was ticketing about a hundred cars that had blocked him in at the end of the valley.
I tried to feel sorry for them but the drivers were all followers of the New Year's hunt!
Christ, pistonheads seems even more arguey than here! You on there Jamba?.
Oh God don't read that shitty Barrow shit stain paper from that shit awful town. I hate it when Barrow residents associate themselves with the lake district. ****ing shit hole.
Saw this on local news last night, if we substitute local farmer causes damage for emergency services needed access to patient...
inconsiderate parking causes all kind of problems.
See also bike lanes.
Peoples parking is getting worse, doesn't matter where you are in the country.
Nobody thinks if a fire engine needed to get past me, could it? Remberance day or not.
They should be prosecuted and the farmer should be given a medal.
If you read the piston heads thread apparently a farmer had provided a field near to this lane which people could park in for £3 all day but hardly anyone used it. Mainly (and I know it’s a generalisation but we all know it’s mainly true) because Audi/BMW drivers love to show their flash cars off but when it comes to paying for stuff in the countryside they’ll do anything to avoid paying. Same thing happens at trail centres - £5 to pay for a days entertainment and they rock up in a £30k car with £10k if bikes on the top but wil park on or near an access road rather than pay.
Only £10K of bikes?
#prayforthestockbrokers
Don't you get this everywhere though? Me & Mrs EGF were at a local retail park the other day & some woman rocks up in an Aston Martin, parks in a disabled bay, gets out with her pal & bobs off into M&S 10 yards away. No blue badge, nowt.
I’m with the farmer on this, self entitled selfish idiots who park like that deserve everything they get!
It appears to be criminal damage, but an uncle farms at a tourist hot spot in the lakes so I have no sympathy for the owners of the vehicles; they can make things a nightmare. Absolutely clueless (like half the people who come here seem to be), the fact they could've parked in a field for a couple of quid says it all. Tossers.
Told this story before - I used to work in a big DIY store and we had a guy roll up and park in a disabled bay in a newish Ferrari - big money. He wasn’t coming into our store he was going into Next which was our neighbour. Anyway while he was away someone pushed a trolley into his car (wasn’t me and I have no idea who it was) and caused a decent amount of damage which wasn’t unsurprising as he was also parked next to the trolley bay.
He came into our store shouting and complaining and we took great pleasure in explaining that a) it wouldn’t have happened if he’d parked correctly and b) people park at their own risk. After some more shouting he eventually calmed down but was becoming more accepting but panicked - turns out it was his bosses car he had borrowed for the weekend to show off in. Yikes.
Bastards, all of them; drivers and car owners in rural areas that is. Farmers exempted in this case but they can be real f*c* arses; having lived in rural north notts for years and had farmers as neighbours and mates I know.
Some comments ^^^ about 'expensive' cars and their owners' reluctance to pay for parking is spot on.
More 'entitled' a-holes.
That's just a response to the post; in truth I couldn't give a flying *&*& as I don't behave like an arse when I'm driving or parking.
In rural areas t'farmer always wins; want your car/family/house splattered with slurry caused by a tractor/sprayer interface malfunction then please piss off the local farmer 😆
HTH
That'll certainly be a Sunday to remember for those drivers. 😈
Sometimes feel like doing this myself when driving the trailer through the village or in the local petrol station when people park in the cross-hatched and double yellow line areas when there is a perfectly good car park.
My real pet hate is the people who see a trailer up the hill and HAVE to overtake it, despite it doing the speed limit and keeping up with traffic. They then squeeze into the gap in front of me and slam the brakes on and get a 4x4 inches from their rear bumper as I can't lift off the gas or I will lose all the torque and bog down.
When I get my defender it will have a big steel bumper on the front!
Entitled dick parks like a dick and gets all flustered when the car gets dented?
Would that be an appropriate summary?
oh and people who think it is safe to tailgate a livestock trailer or pull out from a junction right in front of me. Then there are people on tight lanes who drive past a passing place as they are on their phone not paying attention...although I do quite enjoy winding down the window and giving them an ear full when they are wedged along side me after realising they aren't getting past the trailer and there is no way I am reversing.
Arrrghh yes the shock horror when the inevitable backlash smashes them in the face 😆
wow. I just spent more time than I'd like to admit to reading that thread, and a few others on there.
It was, erm, enlightening. I don't know many (any actually) people who think like the majority on there.
I did register, but apparently new members aren't allowed to post as they've had some 'issues' today.
Oh well, I can wait.
Not a lot of sympathy for the car drivers, the pics on pistonheads show how barrow it is. Becoming an increasing problem in the Highlands as well, I had a mile reverse in Torridon in October as people had filled the passing places with (mostly) camper vans. Put this one in the lakes to a meeting of dickheads, farmer and walkers.
The farmer might have been angry, and justifiably so.
But that doesn't justify damaging people's cars.
Any Lings cars there?
Long running dispute with the farmer vs council re parking (apparently). No action. Farmer takes matters into his own hands. Remember this is someone who works here every day and knows the roads - He [i]had[/i] to know the road would be very busy on that day. He also knows what trailers will fit through what gaps. I wonder why he had to use his biggest trailer [i]that[/i] day.
Clearly this is a case of dicks vs dicks and no one is glorious here. But I don’t buy the narrative that this was unforeseen and the farmer had no other choice. I might be wrong.
At any rate, whoever is morally right or wrong, the farmer has decided unilaterally to be the arbiter here. It’s vigilante justice and that’s not how a functioning society works.
I think I'd have just left a trailer across the end of the road with a note saying I'd be back after I've had my tea at 5pm. Alternatively I might just choose to empty the slurry tank 😆
What's the general feeling on pistonheads? (CBA to visit)
had a mile reverse in Torridon in October as people had filled the passing places with (mostly) camper vans.
Boils my piss Wen folk do that also just pisses everyone off. Horn would be liberally deployed
Also I'm on the farmers side.
Told it before but I had a golf park outside my house with dog walkers from the nearby town.
Suggested it wasn't a clever place to park and got an earful about how I dont own the road and he pays his taxes.
- yeah what ever mate not my car not my issue
Oh how I chuckled when I was working in my garage and heard a crunch.
Farmer had turned in and his trailer overhang had gone through the golfs window and left a bunch of blue paint.
Mr golf went mental on return and apparently it was me that damaged the car. * Nah sorry mate saw nothing was in my garage*
People have mentioned the possible criminal damage angle, but what about th obstruction of the highway?
The actual default is that you can't park unless a traffic regulation order permits it. Carriageway parking like that is generally tolerated, but not actually permitted.
At any rate, whoever is morally right or wrong, the farmer has decided unilaterally to be the arbiter here. It’s vigilante justice and that’s not how a functioning society works.
Never mind, eh?
Bet they don't do it again.
yourguitarhero - MemberThe farmer might have been angry, and justifiably so.
But that doesn't justify damaging people's cars.
Direct action? I bet it never happens again. without people taking the law into their own hands and defying it change does not occur.
Why do you think no one ever parks in cycle lanes in Amsterdam - its because any car parked in a cycle lane will be deliberately scratched by many of the cyclists passing. result no one parks in cycle lanes
Its a disproportionate response by the farmer but understandable IMO. Might have been better just to cover them all with slurry
Gotta side with the farmer here as I don't really see what alternative he had. Can't reverse and waiting for all the people to come back and move their cars isn't a possibility either. Guess what folks? Block a road and shit happens.
The sense of self entitlement seems to be growing in this country particularly amongst certain car users. I'd like to think that may bring about a change but no doubt some will side with the drivers, "well they've got to park somewhere." Yes, an authorised parking spot where you won't block traffic. Arseholes.
At any rate, whoever is morally right or wrong, the farmer has decided unilaterally to be the arbiter here. It’s vigilante justice and that’s not how a functioning society works.
We live in a functioning society?
Breaking stupid laws is what has gained us many of our freedoms. Kinder trespass etc etc
Always amuses me that a certain type of person has to park as closely as possible to the place they're about to go for a walk or bike ride.
Same knobish attitude of driving round the corner to the gym.
A lot of the 'lifestyle' outdoor brigade have little love for or understanding of the places they drive to.
I'm just surprised there aren't double yellows all the way down one side from Seatoller. It's a known blackspot for dickish parking.
Little point adding DYLs unless you have the resources to enforce it.
I'm surprised people can't work out a safe place to park without dyl's
Perhaps, but it does give thick people a clue that perhaps they shouldn't be parking there and walking off for the day. I don't see lots of folk parked straddling double yellows in Langdale.
Clearly expecting common sense to take over isn't working.
I've every sympathy for the farmer, I live near a school and the dire driving by parents really winds me up (the last few years it has gotten much worse). Total lack of police interest hasn't helped.
Slurry bath would've been better, or maybe driving his tractor like a numpty after chucking out time. Getting stuck, taking hours, maybe breaking down etc.
I suspect the sheer amount of DYLs in the Lakes has not helped in this tbh, ie if there's no lines then folks assume it's open season type mentality.
Always amuses me that a certain type of person has to park as closely as possible to the place they're about to go for a walk or bike ride.
Sure, that is usually the case, but here the farmers field for car parking (with a small charge) is actually as close as you can get to where the trails start! There is quite a bit of parking along the road that doesn't interfere with access. If that isn't full, it can be preferable to use those spaces on the road, as the farmers field is usually a bit of a bog (it is the wettest part of England).
How is it 'preferable' to block in a farmer trying to do his job?
Park somewhere else and ride to the trails, park and pay in the field provided or go and play somewhere else.
Serious question, who ever ends up paying, will an insurance company pay up a) for the tractor driver if it was deliberate or b) the car drivers for parking as they did, or will someone be getting a rather large bill to pay out of their own pocket?
Who says it was deliberate btw?...
Farmer possibly assumed that no one would be [i]that[/i] selfish to leave him unable to get through, and trundled through. Tractors are bloody loud ye know... 😉
Rusty Spanner - MemberHow is it 'preferable' to block in a farmer trying to do his job?
Park somewhere else and ride to the trails, park and pay in the field provided or go and play somewhere else.
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If that was aimed at me - Read my post again. There are parking spaces along the road that do not interfere with access. Not the verge, actual gravelled parking spaces along the road. I wouldn't hesitate to use the field if they were full (I tend to avoid the place when it is that busy), but that is what they are there for. Would also be happy to pay to park in those places (it is free though). Understand now?
From the images the skoda and the Audi are double parked so unless they parked at the same time one has parked legally and looks to have left room for passing vehicles for are all those who are saying the farmer is right happy to have a legally parked car severely damaged?
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If that was aimed at me - Read my post again. There are parking spaces along the road that do not interfere with access.
Not aimed at you, but your post seemed to suggest that if the proper parking places are taken and the field is too muddy to use, then it's 'preferable' to park where these people did.
I think we're agreeing with other.
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What a sad silly situation.
Quite why folks feel the need to park indiscriminately, thereby not allowing others to use the roads, just shows how selfish they truely are. However, if that damage caused was deliberately then that’s not a particularly nice thing to do and possibly criminal.
Don’t think anyone one wins in this situation, if it was the farmer his stress levels must be pretty high right now and the knock on effects could be very long and drawn out.
As a casual observer it would be good to know what the outcome to this is.
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If that was aimed at me - Read my post again. There are parking spaces along the road that do not interfere with access.
I misread your post, apologies.
I thought you had suggested that if the proper parking places are taken and the field is too muddy then it's ok to park where these idiots did.
I think we're agreeing with other.
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Rusty Spanner - Member???
If that was aimed at me - Read my post again. There are parking spaces along the road that do not interfere with access.Not aimed at you, but your post seemed to suggest that if the proper parking places are taken and the field is too muddy to use, then it's 'preferable' to park where these people did.
I think we're agreeing with other.
Yes, I think so. As usual, the subtleties of conversation are lost in text. I can confirm that I definitely was not suggesting that it is 'preferable' to park where these people did in any circumstance. 🙂
I misread your post, apologies.
np. 🙂
Always amuses me that a certain type of person has to park as closely as possible to the place they're about to go for a walk or bike ride.
Ha, I was muttering about this only an hour ago on my way into work.
There's an oldish bloke who parks at the end of the cycle lane, blocking the exit from the cycle lane and also causing a bit of obstruction for cars turning into the road it joins. He walks his dog down the cycle lane, adding to the poo levels. I'd put money on him only driving a few hundred metres and not picking up the dog mess. An inconsiderate person doing his thing.
Tjagain, I don't disagree about direct action/disobedience. A big fan personally!
But this was the wrong way to do it. Blocking the road with the tractor and leaving your mobile number for them to ask you to let them out would work better.
Maximum inconvenience, but not opening yourself up to being seen to be more wrong than they are
Was the car parked illegally?
Fair enough ygh
I'm not sure i could condone the actions unless it was a proper accident but as someone who lives with stuff like this every day I get it. What people fail to understand is that while for them it's just a 'one off, whack it in here, it won't be a problem' he probably gets this all day every day for large parts of the year.
I live on a narrow steep street with DYLs all down it. The church at the bottom of the road is about 100m away if that. Sundays people park all down the DYLs with barely enough space for a car to pass, it gets very narrow right outside my house where the footpath ends but yet someone decided to park there last year 'as they were running late' and they lost the front of their car to a white van. I didn;t see it but I did hear it and they rang my bell later on to try and find out what happened, my answer of 'Don't know but surely you looked at where you parked and thought that perhaps it was inevitable', 'i was running late'. Riiiight. My sis is a paramedic and comes here a lot for breaks etc when shes in the area, she got blocked in by some genius who parked literally at the bottom of my drive, thaknfully her callout was at the church so she could jog down there ! People simply don't give a sh1t any more and convenience is king.
There has been a long standing, un written understanding with the farmer, that as long as people park on the one side of the road, then he has no problem with it. But obviously he is going to get pissed off when people block THE ONLY access road to his farm.
Although the farmers action weren't his best idea, I'm in his side with this one
'i was running late'.
I've never understood this defence. So you're admitting that you have insufficient control over your own life that everyone else must bow to accommodate your own incompetence? Good game, good game.
Entitled dick parks like a dick and gets all flustered when the car gets dented?Would that be an appropriate summary?
Pretty much.
On the plus side imagine the consternation of the car drivers when their insurance policies go up at renewal, all because of a claim that "wasn't their fault"
Legal or not every single one has chosen a silly place to park on a narrow road.
The second car on the other side just compounds the issue.
My wife just told me that the reason Sundays have improved is he starts his sermon by asking if anyone has parked on the DYLs on our road and if so to go and move your car, on the Lords insistence (his words). He is a very funny man, we did some great snow sledging together last year!.
How many of them will be on PCP that they have to hand back unmarked when the time comes? 😆
#schadenfreude #learnthehardway
How many of them will be on PCP that they have to hand back unmarked when the time comes?
Holy Crap, you don't think it was Renton's Skoda do you?? 😯 
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This kind of selfishness boils my piss as much as anyone's, however if the farmer's usually cool with people parking on one side of the road then it's bang out of order to go and wreck vehicles on both sides.
And while there's undoubtedly a level of entitlement and dickishness from the drivers, there's also probably a good dose of ignorance.
Ironically, the publicity about this may help to educate peeps.
This kind of selfishness boils my piss as much as anyone's, however if the farmer's usually cool with people parking on one side of the road then it's bang out of order to go and wreck vehicles on both sides.
so which side does he choose ? does he flip a coin ? pick the side with the least shiny cars , pick the side with the most expensive cars ?
I think attaching a rope and dragging each and every car into the nearest muddy field might have been a better lesson for the self entitled parkers but it looks like the farmer neither had the time nor patience
The side with the most Audis, obviously.
so which side does he choose ? does he flip a coin ? pick the side with the least shiny cars , pick the side with the most expensive cars ?
Well I wouldn't condone damaging any of the vehicles, and I've only been to that spot a couple of times, but it's probable that one side of the road fills up first before lazy ****s decide to park on the other side as well. Certainly see that happening at other places.
The side with the most [s]Audis[/s]Range Rovers, obviously.
FTFY
I say widen the roads and build multistorey car parks in the fields. If it's good enough for down here in the south, then it's good enough for rainy northern dumps.
The farmer at the end on the right lets you park in his field for a few £, was always use that. He also has a very nice brand new £100k tractor....
I'm just surprised there aren't double yellows all the way down one side from Seatoller. It's a known blackspot for dickish parking.
Reported that they were at a rememberance day service
or going to a funeral, or visiting someone in hospital, or just popping into the shops for a few minutes, or just too tight to pay for parking. None of those excuse it.
We should turn the law around. Parking only in marked bays, an offence anywhere else.
Ok whilst I'm sure this example and many others in rural areas could have been avoided with better and considerate parking, we seem to have a very big problem looming with cars and available parking in many towns and cities.
Everyone owns a car now.... almost
And many houses with 2 or more and in our Victorian town there was bugger all parking space back when much fewer people had cars, now it's just insane to the point where people have past caring about access for services and even double yellows or private property signs etc. We have ally way access throughout the town with access to very small gardens off these. The only solution to the parking issues has been people sacrificing whole gardens to provide parking spaces (ok fair enough? Needs must) but this now creates a hideous jam of cars trying to exit small gardens or garages into tight alleys at around the same time each morning.
I predict a major shake up of traffic management and car or motor vehicle ownership is on the cards in the not too distant future otherwise we will be seeing far worse horror stories than the farmer wrecking a few cars for poor parking.
Problem is we have all been sold a car lifestyle and many have taken it as there divine right to do as they please.... especially when they have spent insane amounts of cash on a motor vehicle (my employers as an example). This just park more sensibly argument will only work for a while longer as when there is nowhere more sensible to park left then a new plan is needed. As long as there is a mentality of I worked hard for this car so I'm going to use it regardless then the spaces for cars will soon diminish. My employers, their wives and their sons all drive to our work in separate cars (6 of them) yet come from just 2 households.... it's criminal. Then they have the brass to moan that there's no available spaces in the work carpark.
Some serious parking costs or taxes will need to be adopted by local authorities soon to try and reduce car ownership or were all ****ed.
The remembrance day stuff is definitely not an excuse, especially as they, in the absence of anywhere sensible to park at Seathwaite, could head up to Honister and walk across to Gable from there probably in less time.
Yes I was guessing it would be the Gable service - so they were going to be gone for some time. Cars parked like that on both sides definitely constitutes an obstruction. I can understand the farmer snapping - he's got his business to run.
I once scuffed a car trying to squeeze a pushchair past when they had parked on the pavement so I have some sympathy.
The right course of action was probably just to block the road, but then the farmer was working and blocking the road doesn't get the work done.
The side with the most [s]Audis[/s]Range Rovers, obviously.
Now that wouldn't be fair - the range rovers have probably been forced to abandon their car when it broke down.
How many of them will be on PCP that they have to hand back unmarked when the time comes?
Agency charge of £500+VAT?
