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Before I get some quotes anyone know roughly how much a porch would cost?
- 3m sq
- Brick porch
- New external front door ('internal' one will be staying in place)
- Pitched tiled roof
And this is just for the structure/shell. The flooring, internal walls, electrics, skirting, decorating etc will be done separately, mainly DIY.
I'm clueless and Google isn't much help.
WCA is making one in carbon fibre, he'll be able to help
Depending where you live you may find you need planning too.
I can't see any builder in these times doing it for less than £5k.
A mate was recently quoted over £20000 for a 2m sq porch with sloping roof, 1 small window and a door by a local builder (North east England)
Building costs depend on where you are in the country, how quick you need it, what foundations it needs, access arrangements, what other work builder has on / has a delay with, if it’s a fixed price job or an estimate, etc… and potentially how much is going through the books!
so you just need to get quotes - you might get quotes less than muffin man suggests. Whether they are reliable / decent will be the issue… a job that size lots of big builders will not be interested, a “bargain” quote may not be amazing.
My gut feeling is around £8-£10k. Don't forget that any electrics (if DIY) will need signing off).
The price of this sort of work is crazy these days.
So many things drawings need submitting, building control will probably want an engineer too as ridiculous as that may sound, founds to dig out and built up to joist height, timber frame, roof and window, cladding either wood or brick/block, roof tiled or slate, is the roof cut into the existing roof if you're in a bungalow and a wee bit of drainage
£5k won't be going very far when a door alone can cost £1500 to buy
Gut feel (based on very big extension build last year) is that johndoh's £10k is probably about right, pothead's £20k for the whole job doesn't surprise me either.
Based on £3k+/sq metre, somewhere north of £10k
When we considered this a few years back we couldn’t get any sort of quote from a builder until we had plans drawn up.
We spoke with an architect we found online and they popped round - we were thinking porch, plus build in a downstairs toilet. Then we got talking about the plastic roof on the old conservatory and re roofing that - in the end we had a wrap around single story extension 🤣
I’d be expecting north of £10k now for that porch - by the time you’ve had drawings / foundations etc done it adds up quickly. If it’s close to your neighbours house then you may need a party wall surveyor involved and if there are any water pipes or power / gas under where you want to built it that adds complication and cost.
We had to move gas and electric meters which was a bit emotional - and prove to the water company we weren’t building over any pipes.
We all love our gas and electric meters but looks in the yellow pages there may be a group local who can give you love and support at your loss
We had a 13K quote from a very good local builder who I know. I can see where the cost goes. It's a fair price but not one that's currently worth it for us.
Matching stone to house, tile sloped roof, one window, electrics and a new front door.
10-15k depending on the final spec you want.
I'm going to get some quotes, but £10-15k is more than I'd be willing to pay.
The space would be useful but I'd rather put that towards a rear extension.
We're doing the same just now. Taking down the old poorly built porch and making a bigger one with a toilet and a coat/ shoe/ bike helmet/ school bag store (on the plans it's marked and plumbed as location of shower)
The drawings, warrants planning permission is a good chunk into the £5k mentioned above. I'm expecting about £15k but keeping an open mind.
A neighbour had a stone one put on with a door but no windows and probably a shade under 2sqm.£15,000. That's in the impoverished north east !
Porch £911
Something like this ? but with the sides glazed and a door in front ?
My architect reckoned 3k in plans, permissions, bat survey. Getting a builder may be tricky, I was recommended 3, all 3 are 12 month waits, 2 of which aren't taking big jobs on as they have medical issues.
I’ve had an estimate for a 2m x 2m brick fronted porch, rendered sides, slate pitched roof with north facing velux, small south facing window and re-positioned door. It’s raised up due to the slope of the land, doesn’t include electrical work or plumbing. If it’s no higher than 3m from the ground (work that one out!) it doesn’t need a planning application. The price is North Derbyshire - £5750
My architect reckoned 3k in plans, permissions, bat survey.
I didn't need a bat survey but I've paid about that for all plans/drawings for a 2 story wrap around extension in the south east, adding around 120sqm in total. Your price seems expensive
I've just stumped up £470 to the council for the warrant based on the anticipated price... £900 to the engineer, I don't want to think of the running total for the architect. And it's not that big. At least it'll comply with modern building regs and be nicely insulated, unlike the rest of the 70s Wimpy house.
Economies of scale mean the porches and small extensions m2 rates always looks horrendous.
£10k minimum ex Vat!
Crikey
I’ve just stumped up £470 to the council for the warrant based on the anticipated price… £900 to the engineer, I don’t want to think of the running total for the architect.
All things you generally don't need for a small porch if it falls under PD(most do unless your in a conservation area or you really don't have room in your garden for a porch)
PD still needs a warrant but what's being described doesn't sound like a porch as opposed to an extension. A porch is just a wind break that you can leave some shoes and jackets in and get in the house without letting all the heat/dog out.
PD still needs a warrant
Not for a porch (within definitions) it doesn't.
When I say I'm clueless, I mean in regards to the cost of getting a builder in, as I've refurbished my house DIY and only get the trades in for electric, gas, windows, and at height work.
This won't be an 'extension' like some plans in this thread appear to be. It will be like an external airlock before entering the house.
The plan would be to stay within the permitted development rules which apply to our property. We won't need planning permission providing the external footprint is 3m sq or less, it is less than 3m high, and the existing front door stays in place. It would need to comply with building regulations but approval would not be required.
There are no utilities running under where the foundations would be. The only groundwork needed would be extending an existing french drain a metre or so.
I spoke to a window/conservatory company I used before and they said they're not doing full brick porches at the moment as their bricky retired. And the other lad who can lay bricks isn't that fast, so they only do orangery part walled ones with uPVC or wood walls (wife has vetoed this style).
He was quite helpful though, and said most builders will want the full job including final fittings, and won't quote just the brick shell. And estimated around £10-15k.
He said the cheapest option would be to find a bricklayer (easier said than done) and project manage and DIY most of it myself, which would probably be around £6k. That's a more realistic price in my mind, but I'm time poor at the moment.
How much does a bricklaying course cost? 😊
Not for a porch (within definitions) it doesn’t.
I had a think about that, you equally don't need a warrant for a fence under PD 😂
How hard can it be to knock up a single skin timber framed porch? It sounds like by going for brick you're making a lot of problems and expense for yourself. All a timber frame needs is a suitable raft to sit on (more like a patio or decking) then you can do what you like.
Permitted development porches have external dimensions under 3 sqm - ie 1.7 x 1.7m. minus 10cm on each edge for the width of a brick (assuming single brick, uninsulated) and you're already in quite a tight space, if you want it insulated you'll end up with an internal space of around 1.4x1.1m
The op was asking for 3m sq which I read as 3m x 3m - that would require planning, which might be cheaper than permitted development judging by the costs of permits some of you are paying
Anyone wanting taught how to lay bricks give me a day of your time, c&g advanced craft from 1979 with two distinctions
A wee brag there