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How dumb must you be to squirt something up your nose that will change the colour of your skin?
If I was in a shop, I'd assume everything was safe to use.
I'm not looking for a tan, and I wouldn't be buying a tanning spray to insert inside myself, but I'd assume it was safe.
Maybe we ought to return to the days before regulation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning
In 1858 a batch of sweets in Bradford, England, was accidentally adulterated with poisonous arsenic trioxide. About five pounds (two kilograms) of sweets were sold to the public, leading to around 20 deaths and over 200 people suffering the effects of arsenic poisoning.
In the Victorian era, arsenic was an ingredient in several household products, including medicines (for external and internal use), candles, wallpaper, soft furnishings and colourants for foods.[10] It was also used as a poison for murder. So many people died of arsenic poisoning—both deliberate and accidental—that legislation in the form of the Arsenic Act 1851 was introduced; it was the first piece of UK legislation to attempt to control the sale of a poisonous substance.[11] It stated that arsenic should only be sold to adults, the sale recorded in a book—signed by both seller and buyer—and that there should be a witness to the sale if the buyer was unknown to the seller. Any arsenic not to be used for medicinal purposes was to be coloured with soot or indigo to differentiate it from other white powders on sale.[1][12] There was no restriction on who could sell arsenic; no licence was required and any trader was able to sell it as long as they kept a record of the sale.[1]
Although the Act controlled the method of sale, it did not bring an end to arsenic-related problems or the widespread use of arsenic in household goods
If I was in a shop, I'd assume everything was safe to use.
Yes, fair enough I guess. I was mainly drawn in by the people who'd bought them online, who therefore bought an unknown thing from an unknown source that does something that is clearly sketchy
I mean, clearly, regulation is a good thing and we do have a responsibilty to protect people from their own stupidity, but by Christ, some people are really stupid.
I used to have a postcard (this was before the days of internet memes).
The caption said, "I'm not suggesting we kill stupid people; we just remove the warning labels and let the problem take care of itself.'
Was talking about this sort of thing with a colleague the other day after he brushed his teeth with mosquito repellent.
Define stupid. Brain injury? Learning difficulties? Mental illness? A bit thick.
Is it any different to believing pro-v is a thing? "Science" sells many cosmetics products.
Bike industry isn't immune... Bent cranks that make scientific claims about their improvements which defy the simplest mechanical principals.
Putting out a general warning seems like a pretty good idea to protect the wallies and more seriously the people who have absolutely no capacity to critically reason dubious claims.
How dumb must you be to squirt something up your nose that will change the colour of your skin?
I don't think that is the problem. The question should be how dumb must you be to squirt something dangerous up your nose.
Because if it's harmless and it works I don't see the problem.
I'm sure there are millions of people regularly snorting unknown chemicals up their noses in the pursuit of fun each weekend.
Quite a few on STW buy bicycle parts from unknown suppliers of unknown quality. I wouldn’t do it myself but I wouldn’t call them stupid!
Deet is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of someone doing.Was talking about this sort of thing with a colleague the other day after he brushed his teeth with mosquito repellent.
But we do live is a world where "Stupid" seems to bubble to the very top in some countries.
squirt something up your nose that will change the colour of your skin?
Do they do one to match purple anodising?
When I was young and stupid I used to put all manner of substances up my nose that definitely hadn’t been medically tested 😃
St John's wort is probably best and easiest available substance to provide/enhance a suntan.
I wouldn't recommend squirting it up the nose though, taking it orally is fine.
If there's a significant effect on the general population then regulation is to be encouraged. Requiring the use of others to clean up the mess effects. If the only people affected are the user and their immediate family then crack on.
There are very few items that fit the latter category.
we do have a responsibilty to protect people from their own stupidity, but by Christ, some people are really stupid.
Not heard of these tanning snorters, but I thought that when the programme started about people injecting themselves with slimming drugs cos they'd seen it on the socials. Ordering from unlicensed, unknown suppliers online. Turned the telly off.
Even regulation can only go so far.
In related "up the nose" news, I've had a camera up mine today. I was treated to a widescreen view of my nasal passages and throat which honestly I could've lived without. The last time I was at ENT she had the grace to lube up, today he went in dry. Ahem.
Apparently they've ruled out cancer, which came as reassuring news given that I had no idea they'd ruled it in in the first place.
What could possibly go wrong?
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/beauty-hair/bodycare/a33204/eyeball-tattooing-trend/
Leave 'em to it. Same with those injecting dodgy substances to give them duck lips. Or the 'instagrammers' who hike to the tops of mountains in skimpy clothes so they look 'good' - be farked if the weather closes in.
Common sense seems to be a 'personal trait' in limited supply these days.
Not heard of these tanning snorters, but I thought that when the programme started about people injecting themselves with slimming drugs cos they'd seen it on the socials. Ordering from unlicensed, unknown suppliers online.
Isn't the next stage of the process to appear on local news demanding that regulations be tightened up to protect people from.....I'm not sure what? Their own daftness?
MrsMC put ITV breakfast on this morning who were covering this story just as I was waking up. Took a while for me to figure out why people were using a spray to tan the inside of their nose.
Stupid comes in many forms...
**** me some of you lot are smug knobs.
Yep, it is always difficult for us that are more intelligent than the vast majority of people to not come across as a smug knobs
It's the numpties drinking red bull and uploading vids to you tube with huge crashes or really lucky escapes whilst on bikes
We all know how much it occasionally hurts when you fall off a bike but these massive leaps or the folk jumping off bridges must have a loose screw
Look at Eddy Kidd for example his was unfortunate but since the accident his life can't have been any fun for him or folks close
The warning signs are out there.
Although rumour has it he snorted tango, should have stuck to fanta, that's the nazi drink of choice.
St John's wort is probably best and easiest available substance to provide/enhance a suntan.
I wouldn't recommend squirting it up the nose though, taking it orally is fine
I didn't know that photodermatitis was a popular look. Still, fits in with the general principle of the thread, I guess
StJW also interacts "interestingly" with quite a lot of prescription and likely recreational drugs
In a world where you can pay to have one of nature's most toxic substances (botulinum toxin) injected into your face for cosmetic reasons, it isn't hard to see how some people could be this daft.
Individuals can be unbelievably stupid in their own right, but some of the things we now accept as everyday are equally as stupid when looked at objectively.
arsenic was an ingredient in several household products, including medicines (for external and internal use), candles, wallpaper, soft furnishings
Any wallpaper which had green colouring had arsenic in it during the 1800’s. I got shown around a house which was undergoing a complete renovation and restoration, and in one room of the old house, (the rest was a former brewery), there was some really old wallpaper which had green print on it. I mentioned how cool it was, having all the original wallpaper, as a lot of the old brewery structure had been retained, and the bloke, who I think was project manager or Forman, laughed and said no, it’s an exact copy.
I discovered later who the owner was/is, and he’s a very well known British actor seen regularly on TV. Not short of a Bob or two to get that level of quality and attention to detail.
but by Christ, some people are really stupid.
Just think of it as evolution in action. That the way I look at it. If humans are going to do stuff that’s actually putting them at direct risk of terminal harm, why should I stand in their way? See also: climbing over barriers at very high places/very hot places in order to get that really cool selfie…
**** me some of you lot are smug knobs.
Yep, it is always difficult for us that are more intelligent than the vast majority of people to not come across as a smug knobs
Yup. And so far I’ve managed to reach nearly 71 years of age without managing to become yet another casualty through an act of crass stupidity, like standing on the edge of a precipice with my back to a 500 foot drop, and stepping back to frame myself better.
Anything else you want to say?
Congratulations on reaching 71 without developing a bit of concern for others. 👍
And so far I’ve managed to reach nearly 71 years of age without managing to become yet another casualty through an act of crass stupidity
Still time 😉
The only reason I'm still here is down to an incredible stroke of luck, and a small jack russell
Congratulations on reaching 71 without developing a bit of concern for others.
You're going to need to show your workings for this conclusion...
Rather than focusing on people being stupid / daft / hard of thinking.
Why don't we focus on those that are preying on others.
With the right marketing and persuasive techniques I'm pretty sure all of us could be persuadedcto to part with our money.
Apart from me obviously.
Congratulations on reaching 71 without developing a bit of concern for others.
You're going to need to show your workings for this conclusion...
"I am clever enough to not get caught out by scams etc that might catch other people. Therefore let them find out for themselves by trial and error"
Ie "don't give a shit as it doesn't affect me"
Let's remember here the question was should people be protected from themselves.
The underlying story was the government putting out a warning. We aren't talking about fitting a oneway nasal valve to everyone STW thinks are beneath them, just a simple communication saying "don't get caught out".
And some people are happy outing themselves
Jamie is the first person to actually point out the people who really deserve contempt.
But surely there is nothing new in STW's contempt for the great unwashed?
Not new, never not disappointing.
But you've still not demonstrated that he hasn't developed any concern for others. I would suggest that he would be concerned for someone injured in a car accident that wasn't their fault. Probably still some concern if they were at fault, but not quite as much.
The fact that he may be more callous than most when talking about scam victims doesn't necessarily follow on to him not having any concern for others.
IMO what is going on here is one person with a chip on their shoulder is getting wound up by someone else with a corresponding amount of arrogance.
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I’m just happy that you’re all using paragraphs, it makes for a much more lucid argument…
But surely there is nothing new in STW's contempt for the great unwashed?
Of all the people to equate intellect with cleanliness! You should know better... perhaps have a shower?
See also 'halo effect' - and no, not related to the game.
On the whole I think we should do what we can to protect people.
I work for a Cultural organisation which employs a number of very clever, very highly educated people but they struggle with things most of us would take for granted. I head up the operations Team and we regularly get calls from professors who for example know everything there is to know about for example medieval stone masonry but can't understand why the shelf he put up in his office made from cardboard and held up with blutac didn't work.
Another one isn't allowed a computer as he would probably wipe the internet in half an hour and would certainly fall for every scam email going but is an internationally respected expert on ancient Egypt. The best chance we have of getting him to understand an evacuation procedure would be to translate it into Egyptian hieroglyphics.
I can't see any of them buying nasal tanning products - in most cases their personal appearance it utterly irrelevant to them, but I can see some of them buying other snake oil things that are obviously "stupid" to most of us.
These people are genuinely brilliant in their own fields but absolutely need protecting from some aspects of modern society. I love working with them - they make me feel really clever when I do something very simple like stopping their office door from squeaking!
Ooow good old Melanotan II, I was on holiday in Benidorm and one of the guests had literally turned black overnight.
I did manage to hear him explain it as genetics to some other guests but tbh being into bodybuilding back in the day and hanging around body builders you get to see/hear all the exciting missuse of pharma and he wasn’t full natty.
The tanning method of choice then was an injectable 🙂
(I’m thinking he’d injected a few days before the holiday, but I think he’d arsed the dose)
I suppose delivering by nasal spray makes sense as normally people don’t like injecting* but unlicensed backstreet lab stuff is by its nature a bit iffy. You don’t really know what you’ve got, how clean the production was and the potency of it.
(*)I do find it weird that people are now buying the slimming jabs off of Facebook as opposed to going thru the usual channels .
TBH in answer to the question yes, the issue is that these things are being hawked thru the influencers and we need to make them more accountable.
But surely there is nothing new in STW's contempt for the great unwashed?
Of all the people to equate intellect with cleanliness! You should know better... perhaps have a shower?
Too right I do. Give them a bathtub and they'll fill it with coal.
But surely there is nothing new in STW's contempt for the great unwashed?
Of all the people to equate intellect with cleanliness! You should know better... perhaps have a shower?
Too right I know. Give them a bathtub and they'll fill it with coal.
I'd be up for letting people suffer the consequences of their actions but nothing's ever in isolation.
Like, there a big online rumpus right now because Farmer Johns have introduced a (admittedly poorly thought out) requirement for "downhill certified" full face helmets, and knee pads. And people are losing their shit, but what it really comes down to is "no no-brand internet helmets", they're happy with basically anything from a quality brand in good condition, they just haven't managed to explain their actual requirement. And seriously, who rides dh without kneepads?
Of course the point isn't to protect idiots' knees, it's to stop the park from having to deal with loads of minor injuries, from having staff tied up, trails closed, bad press, being seen as a burden on the nhs, and of course insurance problems. I doubt they care very much about the actual idiots but idiots have consequences.
OP you're assuming we have the capability to do so
These people are genuinely brilliant in their own fields but absolutely need protecting from some aspects of modern society.
We employed a guy just out of uni who had a theoretical chemistry knowledge second to none. He put some experienced PhD's to shame. Unfortunately, he also had absolutely zero people and practical skills and simply did not fit in a collaborative research environment, literally unable to work with anyone else or deal with some aspects of normal day-to-day working life.
It's handy protecting people from their own stupidity. Partly because it's expensive and messy cleaning up after them and partly because you might be part of the collateral damage when it all goes wrong for them. And partly just from general humanity and empathy.
Was talking about this sort of thing with a colleague the other day after he brushed his teeth with mosquito repellent.
No flies on me 🤔
IMO what is going on here is one person with a chip on their shoulder is getting wound up by someone else with a corresponding amount of arrogance.
You are certainly allowed your opinion. And I am allowed mine, I'm certainly not wound up.
So what level of stupid should we decide its not their fault then? If you are picking and choosing who you should care about based on how intelligent they are you have failed at a very basic level of care for your fellow man IMO.
He showed more concern when i said i thought Stonehenge was shit, got quite stroppy and hurled some minor insults if i recall. 🤣
Well, technically, they probably had been medically tested, by loads of medical students. Who proceeded to have a wonderful time.that definitely hadn’t been medically tested
TBH, about half my job is trying to protect the general public from themselves, and other members of the general public.
So what level of stupid should we decide its not their fault then? If you are picking and choosing who you should care about based on how intelligent they are you have failed at a very basic level of care for your fellow man IMO.
It's not so much about how intelligent they are as much as what actions they have taken that then get them in trouble. I was at Uni with some highly intelligent, high functioning nutters. One would climb the scaffolding on the cathedral whilst pissed - for thrills. Very intelligent. But had an accident happened, it would have been hard to be too sympathetic. I only saw him do it once - at least saw him start. I really begged him not to, but once he started, I left. I didn't want to see an accident like that. I heard he did it on a fairly regular basis.
He showed more concern when i said i thought Stonehenge was shit, got quite stroppy and hurled some minor insults if i recall.
So there was some previous. That makes sense.
And FWIW, I found Stonehenge a bit meh, TBH.
In a world where you can pay to have one of nature's most toxic substances (botulinum toxin) injected into your face for cosmetic reasons, it isn't hard to see how some people could be this daft.
Botox is great, if used for genuine medical applications - I had 500 units in my calf muscles, thigh muscles, and hamstrings yesterday......max dose is usually 400 units but I've been on 500 units every three months for the past couple years
Botox is great, if used for genuine medical applications
As is morphine, digitalis, atropine and all sorts of nasties in the right dose and out of necessity.
Recreationally or for non-essential reasons, not so much.
But had an accident happened, it would have been hard to be too sympathetic
see you've just done it. "Intelligent enough to know better"
Now without getting all baby robins face about it. What if that person for whatever reason can't make that connection between their actions and the potential outcomes. Plenty of medical reasons for impulsiveness and suggestibility. See also... Teenage boys and pack mentality.
The question raised at the start was effectively "should we put signs up saying "don't climb the scaffolding silly"?"
Hands up who thinks thats a bad idea?
see you've just done it. "Intelligent enough to know better"
Nope. Your initial contention was that not doing stupid things is somehow the preserve of people who regard themselves as intelligent (and indeed are regarded as such by others). My example shows this to be false IMO. That is the only point I was making.
You seem to want an argument by missing the point either deliberately or not. One of my rules of thumb is that having an argument with people who simply like arguing is pointless. Get yourself down your local and start chatting to a few folk - I'm sure you'll find a like-minded sort to argue with until the cows come home.
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The question raised at the start was effectively "should we put signs up saying "don't climb the scaffolding silly"?"
I always thought those signs were to protect the scaffolder's wallet, not the stupid. I read them to say "Now I've pointed out the bleeding obvious, if you dick about anyway, you can go full cabbage and I'll not be having to shell out for your care."
Your initial contention was that not doing stupid things is somehow the preserve of people who regard themselves as intelligent (and indeed are regarded as such by others). My example shows this to be false IMO. That is the only point I was making.
It absolutely was not. It was define stupid and more specifically where these people who say leave them to it draw the line between deserving of contempt or not.
You can believe what you want but i don't think its be who is missing the point deliberately or otherwise.
OK, chap.
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Are we agreeing to disagree?
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I'm sure there are millions of people regularly snorting unknown chemicals up their noses in the pursuit of fun each weekend.
And as a heavy drug user myself, I would say they're mostly dickheads.
Walking through Brum it struck me that the most common thing people need protecting from is the processed junk food they eat. But plans to address that have been dropped.
Are we agreeing to disagree?
Yes.
For me it comes down to the overall cost of dealing with the idiocy vs the cost of preventing it