[Closed] How much difference will it make with British getting involved with bombing ?

To solving it, none. Politically, both nationally and internationally, a fair bit.

As John Macain helpfully pointed out yesterday, it tokenism.

Its holding your bigger mates coat while he has a fight outside the kebab house

We've got special bombs.

probably more difference than another thread about it.

Do you really think so ?

If I was a civilian in an IS dominated area, I reckon I'd feel a damn sight safer having Britain doing the bombing than America or Russia...

How about no one doing any bombing? Assuming that America and Russia won't be stopping just because Britain has decided to have a pop.

I predict world peace, global prosperity and love and harmony for the entire human race by next Wednesday morning

Not much, it's not been widely reported, but in actual fact we ALREADY have been bombing Syria, British Jets flown, maintained and rearmed by British Crews have been in action for weeks whilst under "secondment" to other nations forces.

What we've actually done is given ISIL another 'legitimate' target and strengthen their creditability with young Muslims around the world.

I'm not actually against a war against ISIL, you can't have nutters roaming around northern Iraq and Syria beheading people and enforcing their own twisted rules on the general population - or to be honest disrupting the oil supply which drives the economy of the west - but bombing alone doesn't work you either use diplomacy or proper troops on the ground force - this halfway measure thing only strengthens the enemy.

Russia America France and a few other have already been dropping bombs on Syria for a while now.

How much actual difference will it make now that us Brits have got involved ?

Strategically in Syria - non we're joining in after all the low hanging fruit has been picked. Politically perhaps we're trying to not be embarrassed by not doing what our neighbours are doing. Practically perhaps we've got bombs that are near their Use-by date

The difference it makes to life here is pretty much zero - are we defending ourself against anything by dropping these bombs? We would never know, we'll never know if the next thing that would happened was because we did join the bombing campaign or because we didn't.

The difference it makes to politicians is whether you can say the next thing that happens is because of what we didn't do, or in spite of what we did do. Doing something, rather than doing nothing is an easier position for a politician to defend.

We've got special bombs.

So do the Saudis.

you can't have nutters roaming around northern Iraq and Syria beheading people and enforcing their own twisted rules on the general population

We don't mind the Saudis doing that.

In fact we give them a pat on the back and ask them if they need any weapons to help them remain in power.

The difference it makes to politicians is whether you can say the next thing that happens is because of what we didn't do, or in spite of what we did do. Doing something, rather than doing nothing is an easier position for a politician to defend.

Sir Humphrey salutes you!

In fact we give them a pat on the back and ask them if they need any weapons to help them remain in power.

And fly our flags at half mast when they die.....

Anyone would think we're complete hypocrites...

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Look everyone knows the British are the best at bombin n' stuff so we can now all relax in the knowledge that our boys will sort it out and ISIS will cease to exist in a couple of months

The difference it makes to politicians is whether you can say the next thing that happens is because of what we didn't do, or in spite of what we did do. Doing something, rather than doing nothing is an easier position for a politician to defend.

Or to put it another way...

The only reason we got in on the bombing is that it will lead to our companies getting in on the action when all the 'rebuildng' happens.

Bombs now = profit later.

[i]ISIS will cease to exist in a couple of months[/i]

That's true, they'll have another name for it by then.

Should we just start calling them Colin?

I can't imagine anyone called Colin ever cutting somebodies head off with a kitchen knife. Even a Colin with a big beard

#Daesh50B

What we've actually done is given ISIL another 'legitimate' target and strengthen their creditability with young Muslims around the world.

You think that UK citizens were not a 'legitimate target' for them until last night?

The answer to the question is not a lot over there, but here it'll depend on how many relatives of people living here get killed by our bombs, I wonder how many innocent Syrian oil workers perished last night and wether they had families.

If I was a civilian in an IS dominated area, I reckon I'd feel a damn sight safer having Britain doing the bombing than America or Russia...

cue thousands of Syrians dancing for joy on the streets of Raqqa(!)

its not going to make the blindest bit of difference....all thats going to happen is that Daesh will be very clever at making themselves hard targets and will hide behind innocent civilians, more of whom will inevitably die as a result of the bombing campaign and "Call me Dave" will merely shrug his shoulders and say they are the unfortunate casualties of war and collateral damage in the good fight against evil...he will then say that the UK is still determined in its objectives to save the UK by bombing Syria...and in the meantime the public will see an increasing number of images/videos like this:

I wonder how many innocent Syrian oil workers perished last night and wether they had families.

Have you ever seen an oil well?

They don't have a bunch of blokes standing at the top dropping buckets down them 24/7 you know.

I wonder how many innocent Syrian oil workers perished last night and wether they had families.

Have you ever seen an oil well?

They don't have a bunch of blokes standing at the top dropping buckets down them 24/7 you know.

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I don't often agree with ninfan, but that isn't an oil well.

True....its described as [i]The Oil Stills of Al Mansura near Al Raqqah[/i]

To me it looks like a guy pouring water into a barrel 🙂

ernie_lynch - Member
We've got special bombs.

Half the jets (the Typhoons) we've sent to Cyprus to attack Syria can't use the Brimstone missiles that last week were described as the extra special sauce that'd make our contribution worthwhile. Last night's attack didn't use them either.

Last night's attack didn't use them either.

Half the jets (the Typhoons) we've sent to Cyprus to attack Syria can't use the Brimstone missiles

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Hush will you.

Should we just start calling them Colin?

I can't imagine anyone called Colin ever cutting somebodies head off with a kitchen knife. Even a Colin with a big beard

You what?

you just pop over to Liverpool and I'll get all Jihad on your Manc ass! 😛

They didn't need to, they were bombing identified strongholds

Identified strongholds which the US and France have missed for the last year?

It took Our Boys less than an hour to identify these ISIS strongholds. No wonder our allies were so keen for us to help them.

"Call me Dave" will merely shrug his shoulders and say they are the unfortunate casualties of war and collateral damage in the good fight against evil...he will then say that the UK is still determined in its objectives to save the UK by bombing Syria..

ernie_lynch - Member
We've got special bombs.

The Oil Stills of Al Mansura near Al Raqqah

Which means it's a very basic refinery, which is a bit different to an oil well (but just as likely to get blown up)

Half the jets (the Typhoons) we've sent to Cyprus to attack Syria can't use the Brimstone missiles

ninfan - Member
If I was a civilian in an IS dominated area, I reckon I'd feel a damn sight safer having Britain doing the bombing than America or Russia...

😆

Do you think your average Syrian or Iraq believes the same propaganda as you?

If I was a civilian in an IS dominated area, I reckon I'd feel [s]a damn sight safer[/s] exactly the same having Britain doing the bombing [s]than[/s] as well as America or Russia...

If I was a civilian in an IS dominated area, I reckon I'd feel a damn sight safer knowing there were more people bombing Isis...

You want to have a word with Dave. He might let you join the 70,000 like-minded, liberal, yet disciplined, democracy-loving, non-beheady volunteers he's already enlisted over there

And would be joining a resistance group or opposition force to rid my homeland of the scum.

You want to have a word with Dave. He might let you join the 70,000 like-minded, liberal, yet disciplined, democracy-loving, non-beheady volunteers he's already enlisted over there

chip

And would be joining a resistance group or opposition force to rid my homeland of the scum.

Which is probably the mindset of young British/French/Belgian/American Muslims heading to Syria to join the Jihad.

And would be joining a resistance group or opposition force to rid my homeland of the scum.

Anyone else musing on the ambiguity in this statement?

Which is probably the mindset of young British/French/Belgian/American Muslims heading to Syria to join the Jihad.

I think the UK should take the lead &, NOT do any bombing but strengthen our borders considerably by which I mean doing even more vigorous checks on refugees coming into the country. We need a bigger & even better intelligence network to ID any IS members & even sympathisers & when we know who they are...pop them off without any reports or broadcasting, total secrecy if possible.
When IS's mates start vanishing without trace that might put the willies up them cos bombing the crap out of Syria sure won't.

Ah well, one can imagine anyway.

Ah well, one can imagine anyway.

It's good to know who the stasi collaborators would have been.

No because there homeland would be Britian,France,Belgium and America. And there is no excuse for joining Isis twisted ideology,

You don't like the idea of foreigners interfering chip?

What's brought about this dramatic change of heart since yesterday?

if people wish to turn there back on their own countries to join a religious death cult they will get no sympathy from me.

It's good to know who the stasi collaborators would have been.

All he said was that we should have a huge intelligence network that keeps tabs on everyone's political opinions, presumably using informants and secret infiltrators, backed up by a 'secret police' that kills people that don't hold certain state-sanctioned viewpoints! What does that have to do with the Stasi? 🙂

they will get no sympathy from me.

Unlike the [i]"terrorist sympathising at its Stw best"[/i] which you talk about in your previous post ?

You do realise chip that by posting on this thread you are associating with a bunch of terrorist sympathisers.

Which makes you almost as bad as those MPs who voted 'No' last night.

Have Jaegerbombs been suggested? Drop a shedload of them, send the troops in for a right good knees up and make them realise we're not half bad actually.

Yay we blue up an oil refinery !

I'm sure the civilians who worked there , assuming the they weren't on the nightshift will be more than grateful that weve ruined their livelihood as well as destroying yet another bit of their country's in infrastructure. I bet they haven't stopped celebrating all day

Turkey and Assad may have to part more for their fuel tho

Good piece here about how IS gets is weapons. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/baad34e4-973c-11e5-9228-87e603d47bdc.html#axzz3tFrPPgem

Looks like Cameron has got his answer in early to the question "why hasn't the bombing solved the ISIS problem?"

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34998491 ]Syria air strikes: David Cameron warns of long campaign[/url]

Needless to say yesterday's Tornado air strike was of course a complete success.

Any setbacks in the future, such as a terrorist attack in the UK or ISIS capturing territory, will simply prove that the policy of bombing should be stepped up with even greater vigour.

chip

Which is probably the mindset of young British/French/Belgian/American Muslims heading to Syria to join the Jihad.

terrorist sympathising at its Stw best.
No because there homeland would be Britian,France,Belgium and America. And there is no excuse for joining Isis twisted ideology,

Ahhhhh get over yourself. Would you struggle with the children of British ex-pats considering themselves British? Or people of Indian/****stani/Jamaican extraction considering themselves British [i]and[/i] something else? I have cousins born and raised in England who consider themselves Irish, as do millions of Americans however many generations on. That's to say nothing of the Northern Irish people I know who consider themselves both Irish and British. People's cultural identity doesn't start and end with a post code.

It's not "terrorist sympathising" to try and consider why someone might become radicalised or why they might develop extremist ideologies, it's just part of a thought process of trying to understand something. I'm sure it is on Britain First's Facebook page, or in The Sun mind.

Yay we blue up an oil refinery !

That ft article is interesting if not scary as hell. Gives an idea of the scale and diversity of IS.

I wonder if Cameron had given todays, [i]it'll take a long time[/i] speech yesterday, the voting would've been different?

Not that I am casting aspersions or anything 😉

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Sniff Petrol has it right.

Good piece here about how IS gets is weapons

"The best sources of ammunition are Isis’s enemies. Pro-government militia in Iraq sell some supplies to black marketeers, who then sell on to Isis dealers."

...and the Kurds buy ISIS oil. It's all a bit mental.

It's all a bit mental.

Unlike most wars which are based on commonsense?

It will all be over by Christmas 🙂

Unlike most wars which are based on commonsense?

Of course, just look at how wonderful Iraq and Afghanistan are now we've liberated them!

I'm sure the Syrians are jumping for joy, knowing we're going to bomb the crap out of a few unused building, blow up a couple of bridges and then after a few months, when victory isn't any closer, loose all interest and leave their countrymen to fight amongst themselves for all eternity....