[Closed] How do you steal a motorbike?

Did they get the van into the yard some how, inside job?

Is the cctv consistent, was it turned off at any point or cameras comviniently repositioned?

Sticking it in a van with a couple of mattresses to muffle any alarm is I'm told common.  Bikes aren't hard to lift if there are a few of you but over an 8ft fence is pretty impressive

I'd check the fence to see if it's been tampered with.

Do the fence panels bolt to lugs on the post?

Undid the bolts and removed the fence panels maybe?

Are there any loose pales in the fence fixed at the top but not at the bottom to allow them to swing to the side?

Did they get the van into the yard some how, inside job?

Nope.  That's the thing.  There's two ways in to the car park, the main gate was never opened and if they'd come in through the back then they'd have a) appeared on several cameras and b) set off the automated alarms.

Is the cctv consistent, was it turned off at any point or cameras comviniently repositioned?

CCTV is fine.

Well it didn't get stolen then.  Its an insurance scam.  You need to see it being stolen for it to be stolen.

I’d check the fence to see if it’s been tampered with.

Already done that.  It's not like a garden fence, it's made steel angle bars a couple of inches wide with three spikes atop each bar.  They're attached horizontal beams with bolts that can't be undone externally (they're almost like large rivets).  If the fence have been tampered with it would be very obvious.

You'd see the bike being removed at some point if it was driven or wheeled out, maybe several hours later or days later, could it have been moved from the parking spot to a better location for removal?

Several  possibilities that I can see:

Over the fence - as noted, entirely plausible but bloody difficult.

Through the fence - see my previous post

Through the gate in another vehicle? - Someone has parked a vehicle before th gate was closed, left the premises, climbed back in at night. concealed the bike in the vehicle, climbed over the fence to get out, retrieved the vehicle in the morning.

Still inside the fence?  Someone has climbed the fence in the night, moved the bike and hidden it within the compound to be retrieved at a later time when the gate is open and the heat is off.

a couple of mattresses to muffle any alarm i

not if you can get the seat off and spray foam into the alarm

Like this?

I've seen a few of these that have been tampered with in the past to gain access in exactly the manner I described.

Check the bottom fixings of each pale all the way round. If the bottom ones are removed they can slide the pale to the side using the top fixing as a pivot. Only takes two adjacent ones to make a gap wide enough to get a motorbike through.

Several possibilities that I can see:

Over the fence – as noted, entirely plausible but bloody difficult.

Through the fence – see my previous post

Through the gate in another vehicle? – Someone has parked a vehicle before th gate was closed, left the premises, climbed back in at night. concealed the bike in the vehicle, climbed over the fence to get out, retrieved the vehicle in the morning.

Still inside the fence? Someone has climbed the fence in the night, moved the bike and hidden it within the compound to be retrieved at a later time when the gate is open and the heat is off.

You sir are a criminal mastermind, prime suspect and I claim my reward!

Small van with hiab?

Not sure about the fence, but 4 blokes with 2 lengths of scaffold pole can get a bike into a van in no time.

Photo of the car park stuck over the lens of the CCTV camera?

The CCTV camera covers the gate.  The bike was parked just out of sight of the camera, but the area not covered by the camera is a small bay with parking space for four cars.  It's surrounded by the fence on two sides and the building on the third.  To get anywhere from there - exit gate / into the building / rest of the car park - you'd either have to pass the camera or scale the gate.  Or I suppose, go over a two-story building.

Refrigerated type vans are used as the insulation keeps the noise down

David Blaine and a giant mirror?

Or I suppose, go over a two-story building.

That's sounds like a tall tale.

Like this?

I’ve seen a few of these that have been tampered with in the past to gain access in exactly the manner I described.

Holy shit, haha, I thought that was our fence for a moment!  Exactly like that, yes.

Check the bottom fixings of each pale all the way round. If the bottom ones are removed they can slide the pale to the side using the top fixing as a pivot. Only takes two adjacent ones to make a gap wide enough to get a motorbike through.

I checked it visually earlier and I came to exactly the same conclusion.  I'll double-check though.

Did you check the outgoing mail? It's likely been stripped down and being posted out in parts.

... double-checked.  The fence is sound.

What bike?  Monkey bike or Goldwing?

Do you know the make and model of the bike?

My money is on  an insurance job then.

Guy parks  his bike next to his mate's van / estate car in the cctv blind spot. They both nip out for a fag halfway through the shift, bundle the bike into the car and carry on as normal.

Mate leaves first in the morning with the bike in the car. Guy comes out five minutes later and feigns shock at the heinous theft.   Bike gets claimed on insurance for the cash and then broken up and sold as spares for more cash.

 the area not covered by the camera is a small bay with parking space for four cars.  It’s surrounded by the fence on two sides and the building on the third.

Is there a door out of the building to this blind spot that's not covered by CCTV perchance?

Edit: Theory amended to account for presence of dudes in suspicious van - Guy gives second mate the spare key to his bike and the spare key to the first mate's van  to allow them both to maintain airtight alibi. Second mate climbs fence, conceals bike in first mates  van, locks it,  then climbs back out and pisses off.

Sounds like a job for

Was the bike even there in the first place?

One of the night shift guys had his bike stolen from work’s car park last night.

Is he called Schroedinger?

Ah, the classic locked carpark mystery.  I reckon Perchypanther is a fan of crime fiction.

You are Richard Castle AICMFP

There's lots of easier ways to make a bike disappear if you just want to claim the insurance.

Nah, I'm just messin' with Cougs  a bit because he said this.....

the only plausible way they could have taken it is to lift it up and over an 8-foot high, spiked metal fence.

...now, because of the way he's wired up, he's  mentally constructing ever more elaborate conspiracy theories since i've shattered his initial premise.

I know this to be true because i'm wired up the same way.

Friday afternoon funsies, innit!

Have you employed any of this lot recently?

Does the camera view the gate face on our from the side? If it's from the side you just* move it out beside a suitable vehicle to obscure you.

Do you know the make and model of the bike?

I do not.  I'm trying to find out.

I know this to be true because i’m wired up the same way.

Gods help us both.

Was it pushed through the office from the carpark, past the canteen and Jennifer on reception, then out via the revolving doors to the pavement? Negating the use of a van or anything to do with the car park gate?

And silly question, you mention the van, I'm guessing you don't see the van in its entirety on the cctv?

Have you enhanced the CCTV? It may be that there's a wing mirror in the CCTV view which gives a reflected view of the entire crime? I think I once saw a documentary in which some crime scene investigators did this...

On this CCTV I'd probably:

Enhance 224 to 176.
Enhance. Stop.
Move in. Stop.
Pull out, track right. Stop.
Center and pull back. Stop.
Track 45 right. Stop.
Center and stop.
Enhance 34 to 36.
Pan right or-and pull back. Stop.
Enhance 34 to 46.
Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop.
Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop.
Enhance 15 to 23.
Take a hard copy right there.

😉

I remember when you used to be able to Hotwire Yamaha’s in about ten seconds with a root around with the ignition wiring. Every time my mate  left his 350LC unattended he would return to find one of us pulling wheelies on it down the road.

It wasn't me who nicked your mates bike though

I’m guessing you don’t see the van in its entirety on the cctv?

The van is visible pulling up outside the gate.  It appears to just park there for half an hour, then drive off.  Whilst it's parked up though the rear of the van is just off camera, so we can't see what's going in and out of the back doors.  (So to speak.)

The van is a decoy.. check for tunnels under the fence

or

Was David Copperfield in the area?

In bits

In bits

U Ok hun?

Sounds like they’ve been scanning the place for sometime to go to all that effort. Must have been a nice bike to nick.

Or someone on the inside tipped them off..

Either way they were obviously proficient enough to nick it under CCTV and be gone in under 30mins, won’t have been the only one they’ve nicked I would imagine.

Its odd really because a bloke not far from me has a big BMW 1200 GS that’s always parked outside his house.. he uses it for work and often doesn’t bother with putting the alarm loop thingy on it at night..

used to be able to Hotwire Yamaha’s in about ten seconds

A lot of bikes back in the day. One wire grounded the ignition, disconnect that and away you go.

the only plausible way they could have taken it is to lift it up and over an 8-foot high, spiked metal fence.

The thief was eleven feet tall thus making a mockery of the feeble eight feet of fence.