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Yes, on purpose.
They knew exactly what they were voting for, to punish people they saw as lesser human beings.
They have blood on their hands.
As someone who lived through Thatcherism in the 80’s in the North as she casually and callously decimated our communities, then the years of austerity under Cameron and the misery it has caused with public services hacked to the bone, now this shower of arrogant, entitled, borderline psychopathic Brexiteer ****s, I’m 100% with Rusty on this
I’m not buying this ‘they didn’t know what they were voting for’ bullshit.
You don’t have to be the sharpest tool in the box to know what the Tory party are all about, just relatively lucid.
As for voters being insufficiently informed - there is plenty of information available but many voters aren't interested in informing themselves; they only hear what they want to hear which reinforces their views/prejudices.
Much the same could be said for the Labour voters who voted to keep them in power over the decade they led the country and waged wars in foreign fields, no?
Every single one who kept ticking the box for red has blood on their hands too. So yeah, never forgive, never forget.
In the Thatcher era people were sold the illusion of aspiration, social mobility, yuppies, power dressing. I remember seeing people on the tube open their very important looking briefcases only to contain a tabloid, a sandwich and an apple. The penny's beginning to drop that higher ed means lifelong debt, graduates now work in bars, buying houses is out of reach, investors are not interested in production but extracting rent, politicians are part of the establishment. Hopefully, a shift in attitudes and action will coincide with all this.
there is plenty of information available but many voters aren’t interested in informing themselves;
i think the people of this country have had enough of experts
Every single one who kept ticking the box for red has blood on their hands too. So yeah, never forgive, never forget
Depends if their was an alternative offering anything different. The Tories are far more enthusiastic for military adventures than Labour. Then you have to Offset that against all the good Blair did. I dread to think what the NHS would look like without those 13 years of Labour. It quite probably wouldn’t exist
Whereas with the Tories you are voting for a party whose entire ethos is utterly toxic and doesn’t have a single solitary redeeming feature. Nothing!
Never forgive, never forget.
Nurse your wrath if you like but don't expect it to bring about change.
i think the people of this country have had enough of experts
I think people of this country think they’ve had enough of experts.
Much the same could be said for the Labour voters who voted to keep them in power over the decade they led the country and waged wars in foreign fields, no?
Every single one who kept ticking the box for red has blood on their hands too. So yeah, never forgive, never forget.
That's me. An old leftie who approves of toppling genocidal fascist dictators where possible. And there's always a counterfactual.
We've syrian blood on our hands for not intervening there. And consequences of not intervening include not only a murderous fascist dictator in syria, but also waves of refugees across Europe possibly tipping the brexit ballot, and an emboldened russia. But hey.
Do those who opposed toppling sadam after the first gulf war have marsh arab and kurdish blood on their hands? What about kosovo and siera leone? Would you accept that blood too? Deciding not to act 'nah I'm not going to help you' is acting too.
I remember seeing people on the tube open their very important looking briefcases only to contain a tabloid, a sandwich and an apple.
A bit like the guy from Falling Down film.
My point @johnx2 was rather facetious, semi-serious. I think when people start chucking around the phrase 'blood on their hands' it seems a bit daft, as you've pointed out there are many examples of action and inaction by blue and red that leave any who fall into that camps with some dirty laundry and regrets.
Trying to score points to come out on top is the very essence of what is wrong with our political system and furthers deepens this problem.
@binners, nah I don't have to offset anything, one of the reasons why we're here is because of the rather impressive lengths people will go to to justify their chosen party and voting allegiance as right.
The greatest lies are the ones we tell ourselves. But instead of being open I think there are many in here protecting their own regrets, mistakes and wrath at their impotence to be able to change anything.
I think Boris looks like Jimmy Savile, flood the internet with pictures of Bozza manipulated to look more like Jimmy, lengthen his hair, stick on those creepy round red glasses and pop a cigar in his gob for maximum effect. I wish i had the know how to do it, go on you clever folk what yer got?
Whereas with the Tories you are voting for a party whose entire ethos is utterly toxic and doesn’t have a single solitary redeeming feature. Nothing!
So much talent floating around in the Tory party though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61112219
Bloke already looks like the 'after' shot from the Indiana Jones Nazi face-melting scene.
Oddly enough, having observed the Tory conference goers in Manchester a few times and then heard the reports from the staff in the Midland, they are a queer looking lot, both physically and their attire. Then you get the younger ones trying to look like that, I've never seen it anywhere else. They really seem a breed apart but maybe that's how they want to be seen. Or maybe since they look like trolls they seek vengeance on the rest of society.
They knew exactly what they were voting for, to punish people they saw as lesser human beings.
Nope. Incredibly naive of you and Numbers to think that people pay attention to this stuff to that level of detail. None of this was in party manifestos, was it? They didn't do party political broadcast telling everyone they were going to **** the poor and the disabled.
Whereas with the Tories you are voting for a party whose entire ethos is utterly toxic and doesn’t have a single solitary redeeming feature. Nothing!
Yes, but how are you expected to know this unless you actually follow politics and critically appraise what's happening? Things that most people just don't bother to do.
I’m a libertarian, centre-right, remainer, conservative.
I’ve also been pretty successful in my career, so whilst I’m far, far, from rich, I do have an annual tax bill in excess of the average wage, so feel like I’m contributing my fair share.
If I vote for Labour, they’ll properly **** me over, because they reckon I’m rich and their envy politics kick in.
Voting Liberal is a complete waste of time.
So, Singletrack, who do I vote for? I’m sorry to say, the Conservatives are the closest I’ve got.
If you see voting as being entirely about your current personal perceived best interests, then you do sound like a natural Tory voter. (Just don't you or those close to you get ill in a way your insurance doesn't cover, need long term care, or otherwise fall on hard times.)
But if you want a secure nation that educates and cares for people it doesn't happen for free. Fair taxes fall more on the rich (though right now the poor pay more than ever), the former category contains me too fwiw though I certainly don't feel it. I'd like to live in a fairer better country, and don't mind paying my share.
In the past I might have agreed with you, but this lot seem intent of embezzeling as much as they can before they get kicked out.
accept as a higher rate payer your going to be ****ed, but at least the money will do some good with labour rather than lining the pockets of Tory donors.
Unless of course you are a Tory party donor..;-)
Er, I think you'll find it's the Tories who are increasing your taxes whilst reducing the provision of public services. Ben with all that money in your little willy wave, ever thought of subscribing?
Well you've certainly got yourself a low tax government now haven't you.
I don't believe Labour would **** you over. You are however currently getting worked hard , and going to get worked harder as you've an economically incompetent government leading you towards , if not recession, a very slow economy for a few years. Some of that isn't there fault, but some of it is directly finger-point-able
Yes, but how are you expected to know this unless you actually follow politics and critically appraise what’s happening? Things that most people just don’t bother to do.
Indeed they don't, many people feel, mostly wrongly all politicians are the same. Just in it to get their snouts in the trough. They'll vote like they always have or on single issues like brexit. Some just vote for who they feel will mess the country up the least or just leave them alone. Apart from your vote and engaging in politics at a local level, the answer to the Op's question is nothing.
so whilst I’m far, far, from rich
Say what now? Check your privilege, you're in the top 5 to 10% of earners in this country. I suspect you don't have to weigh up if you eat or are warm on a cold day inside your dwelling?
Stop comparing yourself to others and enjoy what you have and maybe consider if voting Conservative will lead to your comfy life being over-turned by a disaffected nation's underclass. Remember as the police get defunded they don't come out to minor law-breaking unless you are a Russian Oligarch
Well somebody voted them in. It's an echo chamber in here so just assume that you're in the minority and most of the country wants them in. Tbh, as an adult I've known about half Labour and Half Conservative. They're all as bad as each other, just in slightly different ways. Mayo or mustard on your shit sandwich?
Far, far from rich?
Far, far from reality more like. Not just top 5-10% but close to top 1% of earners. If your primary concern is the tax you pay then yes indeed you sound like a typical Tory and are well suited to them.
I’d happily pay more tax to live in a more civilised country.
If I vote for Labour, they’ll properly **** me over, because they reckon I’m rich and their envy politics kick in.
Just cos you’ve a few quid doesn’t make the Tories your friends.
Unless your playing in the league where your using your shell companies and generally not paying much tax they’ll be screwing you.
They are a party for the ultra rich/privileged not Joe Public.
The thatcher years are over, all the tories do is grab it all and pull up the ladder up behind them.
flood the internet with pictures of Bozza manipulated to look more like Jimmy, lengthen his hair….
I actually think Johnson is what we need to be rid of (I mean, whoever you vote for the government wins [Crass 198blah]), but Johnson’s a criminal. A racist, DVing, lying, cheating, vile scumbag. Does seem though even the Savile treatment would be survivable by him.
If I vote for Labour, they’ll properly **** me over, because they reckon I’m rich and their envy politics kick in.
Don't be ridiculous.
1. You don't sound like you know what a proper ****ing over is. Come back to us when you've been through the care system, when your assylum claim has been rejected, when you've become disabled, when you're forced to work a minimum wage zero hours job.
2. Labour won't raise your taxes (if that's what you mean by a ****ing over) because they know they need the middle classes onside and this is clearly a hot potato.
3. The tories are already ****ing you over. You don't live in isolation. Your company employs people educated in the state school system even if you weren't. I'm sure somewhere along the line you're short of skills. I'm sure that somewhere someone had to quit work to care for a loved one because they had no option. I'm sure your customers are having to pay for Brexit red tape instead of spending with you. I'm sure your roads are potholed, your public transport is shit, your environment is being damaged, those frightful poor people are causing trouble somewhere etc etc.
5. And seriously? You're more concerned about a few more quid in your pocket (alongside the many already there) than you are about being governed by lying cheating mendacious self serving in ompetent chancers who are literally hurting thousands or millions of people with their at best shit policies? REALLY? See point 4.
6. Envy politics? Keir Starmer isn't jealous of you. You're basically saying that poor people just don't work hard enough and want what you have without working for it, aren't you? You really have absolutely no idea, trust me.
Oh and
7. Your customers, or your customer's customers are scrimping to make ends meet because of huge inflation, low wages and high property prices. So they aren't spending as much money with you. Unless you are an estate agent.
A ****ed country also ****s you, even if you aren't poor. Do you really want to love in a country where everything is shit and everyone is poor, stressed and miserable? Are you happy with that?
Gotta love a Greatest Hits thead.
Agree with almost everything on this thread.
Some Brexit voters were just not thinking straight though. I'm prepared to give some of them a bit of slack.
Cost of living tends to screw governments up.
I always knew we'd *need* another term of Tories for things to get bad enough to fall apart.
Were at the start of that. Buckle up.
People think with their wallets - the minute houses prices start to slip the that's the time feeling will truly start to change.
BoE are clueless how to deal with inflation making no real tangible attemp to adjust inflation. That's a mess. Interest rates are the wrong lever.
(And I don't think Labour are cutting through at all - they should be offering much much more robust ideas. People aren't inspired. We're all a it numb.)
It’s crazy that there is no system to punish those at the top when they act like dicks. It seems they can just say they won’t resign and then there is nothing else that can be done, other then if their own party vote then out, which they won’t because the opposition is so poor they are under no pressure.
I looking back wistfully to the days when if a high profile politician f****d up they just resigned the next day, no discussion.
History will remember Boris for who he really is.
I’ve also been pretty successful in my career, so whilst I’m far, far, from rich, I do have an annual tax bill in excess of the average wage, so feel like I’m contributing my fair share.
If I vote for Labour, they’ll properly **** me over, because they reckon I’m rich and their envy politics kick in.
First paragraph similar to me. The difference is I am happy to be "properly ****ed over" if that gives less fortunate people a better life. It is not envy politics it is trying to make society a bit fairer politics.
We earn what we do because of pure luck. Yes I know you won't admit to that and it will be because of all your hard work no doubt.
Try to think of earning more as taken more from the system rather than giving more in tax...
I wrote a long post, but you know what? I can’t be arsed so I’ve just edited it and deleted it. You lot can think what you like, this is a one-sided toxic exchange as usual for this forum.
We earn what we do because of pure luck.
I absolutely agree. I was born clever, I have aptitude for something that pays well and I had the opportunity to develop those skills, by pure blind luck.
Another STWthread forgets who the target is and ends up squabbling and infighting-bickering.
Years ago Jonathan Ross had an excellent rant on The Last Leg about how privileged he was to earn enough money to have to pay higher taxes to support public services in this country.
That has always stuck with me.
i’ve not read all of the posts, so something similar may have been mentioned.
i have a friend who is essentially being kept alive with medication that he gets from the NHS. it is a congenital illness. he may have passed it to his children, i’ve not asked. he votes tory and he always has. “always has” seems to be his reason for continuing to vote tory as he never gives any other reason.
if we are dealing with people who can operate with such a low level of empathy or with such a massive disconnection from reality i think itcould be very difficult to convince a lot of folk that things won’t get better with the the tories. minds are closed. thatcher’s greatest achievement was convincing people who rely on the state for their schools and hospitals that a Conservative vote was best.
i have another Conservative friend. this one pretty much doesn’t need the state for anything beyond roads and the police. He is also a fair bit brighter than the last.
he is angry that global warming has never been addressed. he said something to me along the lines of why it has never been in the news. i said it has, but you’ve never read a left of centre newspaper. the tories are the party of business and profit and they are what cause most of the pollution. even when faced with this info, he still won’t vote any other way.
like someone said earlier, “tribal”. or was it “mob”.
I know I’m getting taxed heavily under a Conservative government. But I’m damn sure it would be more under a Labour one
And tax is bad? What about all the essential public services that are shit and underfunded under the Tories? Is that a price worth paying for a bit less tax?
And yes, I do vote for what I want to see. I want to see a mostly happy prosperous country where people get security that we all need, where people don't go hungry, where people are given the opportunity to live fulfilling lives, where people get good jobs and are protected from the ravages of unfettered capitalism, where public services are good, where things are clean and work well and where everyone's needs are met. And one where we extend kindness to those less fortunate even if they are from other countries.
And tax is bad? What about all the essential public services that are shit and underfunded under the Tories? Is that a price worth paying for a bit less tax?
Low tax creates problems further down the line and allows the wealthy access to more resources leaving less for everyone else.
But it doesn't fund central government spending.
Shift the narrative to 'we can afford it.' but the wealthy do need taxing more.
Molgrips for PM
PR is the obvious route, but that's not going to happen.
I know I’m getting taxed heavily under a Conservative government. But I’m damn sure it would be more under a Labour one
You'll be really annoyed when I tell you that between 1939 and 1945 the (checks notes) Conservative Prime Minister Winston Churchill's government applied an income tax band with a 99.25% taxation rate.
Our taxes right now are a direct consequence of us putting up almost insurmountable trade barriers with our closest neighbours and we seem to have lost billions in test and trace and crony-contracts made between Conservative cabinet members and their mates/spouses.
TBH, I am actually pretty happy to pay more tax myself if the money goes towards the provision of social services and a publicly funded health service.
Shift the narrative to ‘we can afford it.’ but the wealthy do need taxing more.
100%. We don't have a cashflow problem, we have a greed problem. Not content with spiriting cash away to places where it won't be taxed or serve any use to the local economy, increasingly the rich and privileged want to dictate the terms in which we discuss matters like homelessness, immigration, welfare and social care.
No-one should be allowed to be a billionaire.
I was born clever
You really weren't.
You really weren’t.
Neither were you apparently 😆
You lot can think what you like, this is a one-sided toxic exchange as usual for this forum.
You got a proper roasting for saying you vote Tory because you don't want to pay more tax.
You can of course explain this as the forum's fault but other explanations are available.
Years ago Jonathan Ross had an excellent rant on The Last Leg about how privileged he was to earn enough money to have to pay higher taxes to support public services in this country.
That has always stuck with me.
Before recent events - having an immune condition, hypoglycemia and diary/soy allergies in our little family we've had loads of support from public services that I'm happy to contribute to.
However, I don't now trust that some or even all of it isnt going into the pocket of a Conservative member/supporter. I see the Rwanda issue and wonder whose pocket that £1.4m partly funded by me is lining. This is a sad state of affairs for the people that work with the funds of the public purse, but the mistrust has been caused by the lies and robbery leadership.
You lot can think what you like, this is a one-sided toxic exchange as usual for this forum.
Is this just you saying you don't like being disagreed with?
Why do you think we're disagreeing?
No-one should be allowed to be a billionaire.
I agree with that.
Hope you don’t use Amazon. I don’t.
You lot can think what you like, this is a one-sided toxic exchange as usual for this forum.
I'm not one-sided per se, but I'm vehemently anti-C.
The c* seem to be hell bent on making life worse for the 99% of us who aren't obscenely rich and channelling that wealth offshore by convincing 33% of us that we're temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
We can afford public services, subsidised public transport, net zero and decent state pensions. Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots who'll vote against their own interests.
I realise we have a number of threads which were initially set up in a bemused haze that their featured foci could potentially make high office.
We’re beyond that now.
This government is a venal, racist, self-serving, proto dictatorship. Their actions are deplorable. Their methods calculatingly effective.
How do we get rid of them? I fear the council elections will give central government a wake up call from which they’ll rally for a General Election and then we have another 5 years.
How can we get rid?
It's this type of aggressive, offensive and dishonest statements / campaigning by Socalist activists that ensures the Tories win every time. It needs to stop, now.
There's very little difference between our two major parties and Labour can be described in the same terms, and has done all the same things.
When Angela Raynor shouts out 'scum' in Parliament, the Corbynites all cheer, but the floating voters who Labour needs for an election victory don't. They can't make their mind up, and you don't win hearts or minds by stating the electorate made mistakes or voted for 'scum' last time.
It’s this type of aggressive, offensive and dishonest statements / campaigning by Socalist activists that ensures the Tories win every time. It needs to stop, now.
What's dishonest about it?
If you don't want to be associated with lying, venal scum, then don't vote for them.
Not read the whole thread but in the last election more people voted greens, Labour & lib dem than voted Conservative, get those 3 parties to form an electoral pact with proportional representation as the aim & bobs yer uncle 🤔
Labour can be described in the same terms, and has done all the same things.
That's nonsense and you know it.
What’s dishonest about it?
If you don’t want to be associated with lying, venal scum, then don’t vote for them.
My point exactly. I'm sure writing hate speech like that above makes some activists feel better, but the public doesn't share the sentiment. If you can't decide between L or C, and you think they are both just as good/bad, voting against the angry bloke swearing and spitting is a good way to decide.
The first post here is asking the wrong question. It's not about how to force the public to get rid of the Tories, or make the public agree with Momentum, but how to make Labour represent the public.
Most of the posts on here restore my faith in humanity and that, eventually, we will get through the **** storm just about to hit.
Part of it entirely made by government action or inaction in respective areas.
Tory ideology is small government. That means less regulation, lower taxes and less money spent on government. Sounds good, right? Well, without the government helping people who need it - who is? In practice, no-one. And less regulation, oh that pesky red tape, who wouldn't love to be rid of that? Well, if you don't have rules then someone will ALWAYS come along and do something bad to make themselves richer. You don't need me to explain that, just look at what happens in the US.
Labour ideology is to give power to the working classes. In practice that means helping and listening to the poorer end of society, which means higher taxes and more government to spend that money. It also means more regulation to stop the rich (and hence powerful) exploiting those who have no choice but to work for them.
So there is a huge difference ideologically between Labour and Tories. Anyone who says they are all the same is absolutely wrong. If you simply wanted power for the sake of it, why would you join Labour? Why not join the Tories? Why wouldn't you just jump ship to the more popular party? This does happen but it's pretty rare, that shows you there are real differences between the sides.
Now, any government might be incompetent, it might fail in its aims, but that doesn't change the fact that the aims of both sides are different.
But there's a completely separate debate about actual governments. Even if you are a Tory, you must admit that this particular government is really really bad at its job.
And just what would you replace it with? Don't talk Labour. All they manage to do is be spiteful and unfair. I have seen very few practical suggestions from them. All they rant on about is how "fair" life will be under them but have no practical way of doing so. If we want more services we have to pay more. Oh yeah tax the hard working shall we and let those who can't be arsed sit on their arses? I see no problem with a tax increase if it works but it must be fair. Fair means we pay the same as the next chap. So if some bod pays 40% so should everyone else. Your income shouldn't be the deciding factor. Immoral.
Morally speaking of course this doesn't work does it? After all the so called wealthy usually take less from society so should pay less if we are being truly fair.
Labour would have some respect if they were honest but like all pretend socialists they are not. They want to take from the rich yet are not the first to set an example. Any one of you lot out their practising what you preach by putting others first? Doubt it. You are riding around on an expensive bike. How very considerate. If socialism worked it would be wonderful but it just doesn't. It is against human nature.
Hopefully the whole cabinet will go on a fact finding mission to Rwanda and find that despite all their years living and working in the UK they're not entitled to return.
My mum was unable to renew her passport a few years ago as she was born overseas despite living in this country from the age of 17 with a British passport, serving in the Army and working for social services for most of her working life. She's just died and we're going through the whole "unable to prove identity" thing as she doesn't have a current passport and never had a birth certificate or her birth registered in the UK because that's not where she was born. I await the Kafkaesque news that she can't be dead because she hasn't got the right paperwork or that her corpse will be deported.
If socialism worked it would be wonderful but it just doesn’t. It is against human nature.
There are plenty of socialist democracies around the world.
We've had socialist governments in this country that have done ok.
Ummm an awful lot of them have ended up badly.
Lots of social constructs go against human nature. That doesn't mean they're a bad idea. For example, should we decriminalise violence?
Sorry to hear that Murray.
Any one of you lot out their practising what you preach by putting others first? Doubt it. You are riding around on an expensive bike. How very considerate
Socialism is a pretty broad church and means different things to different people but I don't think it has to involve the relinquishment of personal property or always putting others first.
Your income shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
Why not? Everyone needs a certain amount to survive. Why tax someone living on a subsistence income at the same rate as someone earning more money than they could ever really “need”. That makes no sense at all, practically or “morally”. And earnings are not pegged to “hard working”… plenty of people work hard for low wages, and plenty of people have a high income (and/or wealth) while working less hard, if at all. There are all sorts of work ethics and levels of application at all sorts of income levels.
51% the Brexit voting Redwall **** wits.
I am from this "community" i have expanded on this previously.
The 51% simply want to piss off, make life difficult for anyone they "perceive" is doing better than them.
This 51% has and continues to be weaponised by the Tories to enable them to retain power.
We are long long way from any change.
Your income shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
Why tax someone living on a subsistence income at the same rate as someone earning more money than they could ever really “need”.
After a lot of argy bargy were down to the nitty gritty of left v right with these two posts and I fear it's east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.
After a lot of argy bargy were down to the nitty gritty of left v right with these two posts and I fear it’s east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.
Easy enough. Set the minimum wage to the national living wage. Everyone pays same tax rate so if you earn twice as much as someone you pay twice the tax. All tax records public, divs and interest same as paye. No one receives more on benefits than a full time worker on the minimum wage, less £1, so that someone working full time to support their needy family is always better off than someone claiming.
Fair means we pay the same as the next chap. So if some bod pays 40% so should everyone else
I don't believe fairness means treating everyone the same because everyone's needs and abilities are different.
If we want more services we have to pay more. Oh yeah tax the hard working shall we and let those who can’t be arsed sit on their arses? I see no problem with a tax increase if it works but it must be fair. Fair means we pay the same as the next chap. So if some bod pays 40% so should everyone else. Your income shouldn’t be the deciding factor. Immoral.
But there’s the kicker, it’s the punching down mentality that the tories have harnessed so effectively when in reality, benefits are chicken feed compared to the bare, naked greed of the top 0.01% who contribute **** all.
edit. According to ONS ~2.2B spent on unemployment benefit. £46B on working benefits. £111B on pensioners…
we just wrote of £4B in fraudulent covid loans, and that doesn’t include the Tory donor hotline PPE cash machine.
Easy enough. Set the minimum wage to the national living wage. Everyone pays same tax rate so if you earn twice as much as someone you pay twice the tax. All tax records public, divs and interest same as paye. No one receives more on benefits than a full time worker on the minimum wage, less £1, so that someone working full time to support their needy family is always better off than someone claiming.
At first glance and practicalities aside, that sounds good to me* but I doubt it would sit well with the right as getting (almost) the equivalent of minimum wage in benefits would be a sure fire trigger!
*The fact that it sounds good to me as an old leftie is further evidence that the right wouldn't like it.
The whole thing needs changing. The system is rigged to ensure that the current broken voting system carries on putting people in charge that no one actually voted for.
I've never understood how voting for your local MP, based purely on the individuals talents, morals, competence and character. Can result in a political party dominating Parliament and putting a Prime Minister in place without any other further input from the general public.
Some leaders became Prime Minister without even an election.
Did we vote or have any say for any of the following becoming Prime Minister:
- John Major
- Theresa May
- Boris Johnson
We really need to bring people's wages up to at least the level where they no longer need a government issued top up. It's bonkers that the public have to subsidise people's wages who work for companies that make huge profits. Make the companies pay fair wages, so what if their profits are hit.
My idea to bring more of the dis-infranchised voters (or non voters it would seem) would be to take advantage of the fact that Westminster needs major renovations.
Move the parliament around the country for the next 10 years. You could have the parliament based in a different area every 1-2 years.
This way you'd even ensure that all the current sitting MP's would get a seat in parliament instead of the current undersized one we have. You could also build it in such a way that members of the public, schools and universities could attend as witnesses.
I'd also make all MP's have to vote in person for every parliament sitting, no abstaining.
I didn’t know we had Sunak’s family on this forum.
.....because everyone’s needs and abilities are different.
That sounds suspiciously marxist to me........"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
That sounds suspiciously marxist to me……..“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”.
Ha ha, I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that! 🙂