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I realise we have a number of threads which were initially set up in a bemused haze that their featured foci could potentially make high office.
We're beyond that now.
This government is a venal, racist, self-serving, proto dictatorship. Their actions are deplorable. Their methods calculatingly effective.
How do we get rid of them? I fear the council elections will give central government a wake up call from which they'll rally for a General Election and then we have another 5 years.
How can we get rid?
Unfortunately they are a reflection of a large percentage of voters.
What legal means do we have beyond protest?
Very few people actually get a say at the polls.
In my adult life I have lived in three constituencies, and voted in every general election for 4 different parties. Including the blue one.
Not once have I voted for the winning MP.
Why does legality bother you? The precedent has been set.
Engage and persuade people to get off their backsides and vote instead of whinging and bitching on vox pops forums
A good dose of the Poll Tax spirit might have some small effect, but (bizarrely given the absolute state of things right now) we don't have enough people feeling disenfranchised and angry enough to take to the streets or even to just be openly defiant.
I am with you on it all, I just don’t understand this bit -
“I realise we have a number of threads which were initially set up in a bemused haze that their featured foci could potentially make high office.”
Are there any Conservative Party voters on here?
It's one of those things where the solution is to not get in the mess to begin with.
But unfortunately there's too many racist bigoted moronic fhoookwhits in this country who are allowed to vote and voted Con (how apt an abbreviation).
Con (how apt an abbreviation).
Totally. Without (I imagine) a hint of irony or self-awareness, the Conservative Club in our nearest town has a big sign outside that proudly rebrands the establishment as "The Cons".
Unfortunately it will have to get a WHOLE lot worse before it gets better I think. The state of the populace is a mixture of people with their head buried in the sand, people who think 'theyre all as bad as each other', people who don't vote because they don't think they have any real power anymore, people living in a cloud of reality TV, the internet, and other things that blur the reality of life, and a larger than you think group of people who are really very well off and the state of the country doesn't have any true impact on them (or so they think).
Don't get me wrong there's a huge amount of people like us who believe real change is needed and are in despair about how things are, but the voting system is frankly rigged to be honest.
Today struck me just how bad things have got in this country. I attended a primary school to do a condition survey and the place was falling apart. Literally had holes in the roof where water runs through, teaching spaces that haven't changed since I was a child at school 20 years ago, caretaker in despair at the state it's been allowed to get to due to lack of funding provided. I also did a couple of social housing surveys and they were in a worse state than some photos I've seen of third world nations. I'm sat at home now watching a police TV show where there are so few police officers in the station that they can't respond to some emergencies. Then the news at 10 flashes up and it's about our prime minister being fined for a criminal offence and talking about how we'll ship refugees off to Rwanda.
I really, really do despair.
Move to Scotland. I've always been Pro union but I now just view that as staying aligned with populist tory voters. I'm being pushed towards voting yes in a referendum and I suspect there are lots like me, probably / possibly more than is needed.
I just don’t understand this bit –
The 'Boris!! Johnson!!' thread was started when he was an amusing candidate.
Then he got in.
@pook I didn’t/don’t understand the bit I quoted!
I realise we have a number of threads which were initially set up in a bemused haze that their featured foci could potentially make high office.
I genuinely do not understand this! Please explain for me.
Unfortunately they are a reflection of a large percentage of voters.
The Tories themselves don't reflect that many voters. Most voters would not want their government to act like that. The fact they are in government though reflects how dim and thoughtless most voters are, because they can be duped so easily by people with no morals who are prepared to lie through their teeth.
People on the whole aren't rational, they are a mob (if they care at all) and this means they are very easily led by people who will say absolutely anything. Unfortunately, the worse a politician is, the more likely they are to say anything.
What legal means do we have beyond protest?
Give it time and that will be illegal too 🤔
Why does legality bother you? The precedent has been set.
Careful now, you might get reported to the Thought Police.
Have a listen to this. https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/how-to-change-the-world/
We need a critical mass of critical, engaged and active people. How many have we got here, I wonder?
I think @binners nailed it in another thread.. 52% of British people are complete arseholes. So we're pretty much knackered.
Indeed.
I hate to break this to you, but…
Unfortunately the majority of people - 52% at the last official count - on this nasty, spiteful, backward-gazing deluded backwater are absolutely *ing horrible, and will elect people who reflect that
You’ve had 6 years to adapt to the new reality and it’s only got worse since then
We are governed by this cabal of utter *s because that’s what a majority in this country see when they look in the mirror in the morning. A total **** staring back at them.
Pfft... bunch of show flakes all of you.
Next you'll be saying it was right that this chair of the London Conservative Association resigned after this piffling photo of him was dredged up.
Mind you, he doesn't even remember wearing it he says, which is entirely believable as its pretty much standard attire when going out for a meal or whatever.
Anyway, resigning is sooooo 2016 darling and went completely out of fashion after Cameron. This guy deserves a promotion instead, surely? Perhaps a well paid job in, oh, I don't know, Rwanda?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61112219
What legal means do we have beyond protest
the list of legal means doesn’t include protest
Merak
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Are there any Conservative Party voters on here
The majority, I would imagine.
I'd like to think they don't mention it because of shame, but I reckon they're too busy not giving one single toss about anyone but themselves.
Unfortunately they are a reflection of a large percentage of voters.
Yep. If there was an election tomorrow my MP (Tory Desmond Swayne) would get in with the same 60% he has got for the last 20 years. He even won with 50% with Labour getting 14% in 1997!
Doesn't matter how much shit the Tory party gets up to some people will have it no other way as they don't want those lefties in taking all their money, giving it to poor people etc,.
I just don’t understand this bit –
What i mean is that the various threads started regarding people like Boris Johnson were originally set up as a laugh, but then they got in and the joke instantly wasn't funny. Happened with Trump too. And Liz Truss.
Its easy to come on here and rant and moan but that won't change anything. You need two things to happen: more people voting for other parties and less people voting Tory. Get out there and convince people. If you have elderly Tory relatives convince them to change, if you know apathetic non voters convince them to vote.
Tory voters, and brexit voters are a minority. Its just our system that makes it happen and our media that fuels it. It won't need a massive shift for things to change.
You do realise you can't convince a lot of people don't you? I am surrounded by Tory voters (in my village and at work). I live in a very Tory area.
They simply won't have it that any party but the Tory party is best for them. Note the "for them" as when you are starting from a position of being well off and voting based on what is best for you then Tories do a good job for you
I'm struggling with it all too.
Mrs_oab and I have some family who voted for brexshit, some have voted Conservative all thier life, others who don't vote at all. Interestingly, most of them have or do read the Daily Mail. This then is the 52% - and they are lovely people.
But fundamentally, even if 'my' 52% changed thier minds and vote, the electoral system is broken and unfair.
Beyond that, the professional standards and processes that are supposed to hold our politicians to a standard of behaviour are ineffective - particularly when people choose to have no integrity beyond thier own gain.
I honestly don't know what the catalyst for change might be. Perhaps the living standards squeeze might be enough to start it. Perhaps.
What legal means do we have beyond protest?
Is that still legal?
It needs street protests highlighting the lies and failings to get some momentum behind the message.
The problem is any such protests will be hijacked by the extreme ends, rightly or wrongly, and reinforce the government's anti protest rhetoric.
It also needs the opposition parties to stop fighting each other and unite in an anti-Tory coalition, with electoral reform a key policy.
Vote, write to your mp and give these people money.
https://goodlawproject.org/
My money helped them to give Dumbojo a criminal record.
We'd probably need to do something about the pro-tory media outlets who for many years have done a great job of convincing us there is no viable alternative. Look at how hard they went for Corbyn as evidence of just how viable the opposition actually were and how much they were shitting themselves about it.
Unfortunately we can’t get rid of them.
There’s a hard core of 30-35% of tribally committed Tory zealots, largely consisting of racist pensioners, whipped up by a far right press, and that’s enough to keep them in power.
Not many options. Write to your MP a lot, particularly if they are a Conservative.
When the inflation costs hit home I think we might start to see more protesting.
There are still people who think Johnson is doing a good job. The idea that the Conservatives are their team so they must support them. I don't get it.
FWIW they are losing their core vote. My MiL is a traditional conservative voter. Member of the party, honorary life member of the Carlton Club. She voted lib dem as she can't stand Boris. Many other like her. The rest of their vote cam on the back of Brexit. When those people realise they've been shafted by mismanagement of covid, law breaking, corruption and theft of public finances they will turn.
In my mind, the Tory Party aren't the problem, the problem lies with the voters.
I've watched the Tory Party morph into the BNP over the last decade as they've learned that the voting population sees the world through the prism of division, spite, greed and hatred. A worldview made more toxic by the universal return of Nationalism.
The Tories are just giving the public what they want.
I've watched the Labour Party lose 2 elections where they've campaigned on a platform to change people's lives for the better and they've been thoroughly rejected by the very people they're trying to help.
We're stuck with them because of the people around us.
Where’s Hugo Weaving when you need him?
I think we need also to push the idea that FPTP gives us a minority government, which benefits a minority of the electorate.
Yes, I know we have a terrible fear that PR will result in coalition governments putting through compromise policies in the interests of the majority and it will never catch on.
Go on forums and rant how much you despise the Tories, voters in general, and this country.
If that doesn't do it I'm not sure what will.
You might feel better afterwards though.
Or you might get some ideas to coalesce behind. Or against.
the voting population sees the world through the prism of division, spite, greed and hatred
Non-tory voters on this thread are ticking 3/4 of them.
We need a winning team to challenge the Rot.
Can you see anyone on the horizon?
We need societal change ,and to reverse the 'greed is good and I'm alright Jack' mentality.
I wonder who set that in play?
We need realistic,well planned and long term investment (in business and our citizens) rather than all the 'get rich quick with your mates' scams.
How can we make this happen?
I have less than half an idea how,but chipping away in your local community is a good place to start,and can be very rewarding,so that's what I am doing.
We have to give them a strong message in the upcoming local elections.
We have to convince the core Tory voter that they're wrong.
We have to keep the media stories about the corruption and lying in the main news.
We have to keep writing to our MPs about how disgusted we are about all of the rule breaking and inhumane policies.
Doubt any of it will work though so we'll just have to blow them all up, Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
As has been alluded to, joining, funding and campaigning for one of the alternatives is a good start.
It's a bit naive to think voting for a different party will make a substantial difference. Starmer is offering 'get a grip' and Reeves is into austerity. Having said that, I did read somewhere that disillusioned Red Wall voters would now prefer Corbyn to Starmer. Spreading class consciousness through workplace and community organisation can lead to effective action for change, it ain't going to come from bloated politicians bought off by whoever and living comfortably on exes. Look at how Labour have responded to the Assange affair and the Coventry binmen.
Historically more strikes occur under Labour governments and that's one of the few reasons for voting for Starmer. In the council elections I shall vote Green (they've got a slight majority around here) as a protest vote.
The cost of living crisis will sway some people I expect. Combine that with the various scandals we've already had and the inevitable ones to come over the next three years and they may have dug their own graves. There are parallels with the financial crisis and expenses scandal which got labour out. Plus general fatigue, by the next ge we'll have had 14 long years of the nasty party.
One can only hope. If they don't get booted out at the next one I don't know what it would take.
I know this Guy who said he could send them to kingdom come if we were interested, sometime around early November. 😉
Very few people actually get a say at the polls.
In my adult life I have lived in three constituencies, and voted in every general election for 4 different parties. Including the blue one.
Not once have I voted for the winning MP.
I agree with this wholeheartedly and have also never voted for the winning candidate. The system is broken and it's not in the two main parties interest to change it. I find that ironic living in Scotland as the Scottish PR-lite system is one of the only reasons the Tories haven't been completely wiped out up here. EVERYONE needs to feel that their voice is heard, the only fair way to govern is through consensus and compromise. Not majority rule. FPTP is wholly inadequate and inappropriate for a modern democracy. Until that changes we're stuck with the horror show down south. But I can't see many MP's thinking changing the system is a good idea...
This organisation is worth a look:
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/
Alternatively, we do a Ripley and take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Join an opposition party. Actually join and pay them money. It's not a level playing field on the cash front as we know.
Join your local opposition party, drop leaflets, if you're so-minded join in with the door knocking.
Never say never, in two weeks our council may go majority labour after a thousand years of 'anything breathing with a blue rosette'.
Doing something is definitely better than nothing.
We need a winning team to challenge the Rot.
Can't believe It's taken so long for someone to say that. (unless I missed it, haven't fully read every post)
IF Corbyn hadn't been Labour leader back then I reckon Labour would've got in. Even my mate who's a life long Labour voter, Ex miner, union rep, Thatcher/Tory hater, didn't vote for Labour, 1st time in his life.
So yes, we need a winning, believable & honest party to challenge them. The 'honest' bit might be a problem though.
Our 3+ party system does not help. It should be a matter of vote Conservative or vote for a combined labour/liberal/green coalition. This seems to work for the Democrats in the USA.
Hmm help with er moving the barrels into the cellars of parliament 🙂
I think the next few harsh years will be hard for the them tbh, I suppose it’s going to be who’s got the best PR people that will swing it.
We really need a charismatic person, already well known an liked by the public to step up.
Complex problem, with many facets to address; the solution which most here and elsewhere think is the winner seems to be name calling and denigration of the 52% they deem to blame.
I'm not the worlds greatest tactician, but I'm pretty sure that's doing **** all to help the situation or move discourse in any menaginful direction.
Especially when you have two other parties that are a viable option to lead as much as Gary Glitter would be to babysit your kids.
The rest of their vote cam on the back of Brexit. When those people realise they’ve been shafted by mismanagement of covid, law breaking, corruption and theft of public finances they will turn.
If they can be convinced that all that is the price worth paying for keeping migrants, asylum-seekers and anyone who speaks more than one language out of England, they can be turned back when we get to a general election. Especially if the “all politicians do these things, but what you see is what you get with the Tories”, “it would be worse under Labour, and you’d have to live next to someone with an accent” lines can be made to stick. And that’s before you start to include the conspiracy theories (about left leaning politicians protecting child abusers and being controlled by Jews to push a “woke agenda” to undermine society) that are helping to build and shore up support for the far right from the USA, to Hungary, to, er, Russia.
Can’t believe It’s taken so long for someone to say that. (unless I missed it, haven’t fully read every post)
IF Corbyn hadn’t been Labour leader back then I reckon Labour would’ve got in. Even my mate who’s a life long Labour voter, Ex miner, union rep, Thatcher/Tory hater, didn’t vote for Labour, 1st time in his life.
See my point above about the remarkable success of the pro-tory media.
The sleaze, corruption and scandal is good for business as well, I don't think it'd all about being pro. The Tories generate clicks and therefore revenue.
See my point above about the remarkable success of the pro-tory media.
See my point above about the remarkable success of the pro-tory media.
No that wasn't the success of the pro-Tory media, it was the success of the pro-Tory PLP.
The day of the 2017 general election the Daily Mail had 13 pages attacking Corbyn, after months of doing it on a daily basis, that didn't stop Labour achieving the greatest increase in votes since 1945 and robbing the Tories of their majority.
Horrified the PLP redoubled their attacks on the Labour leader, their hostility was far more effective than the Daily Mail's.
They called Corbyn a racist thereby guaranteeing that Johnson, who presumably wouldn't dream of being a racist, remained secure in Downing Street.
I agree OP, I think the Tories will get trounced in the local elections and all this will serve to do is focus the Tory minds on the next general election, although at the minute the only idea they seem to have on the campaign front is culture war nonsense and perhaps signs that's no longer working?
I heard a commentator say the other day that boundary changes will probably equate to 10 extra Tory seats?
I honestly don’t know what the catalyst for change might be. Perhaps the living standards squeeze might be enough to start it. Perhaps
If anything is going to force change it’s the impending and considerable drop in living standards. With inflation through the roof and the country already mired in debt I don’t think the government really have anywhere left to hide. We’ve been bankrupt since 2008 when we introduced huge moral hazard by bailing out a corrupt and inept banking system, low interest rates (meaning cheap credit) and various economic props since then have maintained living standards but falsely so.
The only way to get people to pull their heads out of the sand and do something is to create a negative impact on their lives, so when the faux middle classes (of which I’m probably one) start having to seriously consider whether they can afford to go on holiday this year (let alone heat or eat) things might start to shift.
The government have been holding back the tide for a long time, I just don’t see how they can keep it up any longer. As the water gets higher people will start to panic and perhaps mobilise. The big question is who will they mobilise behind? I don’t consider any of our main parties to be any different in terms of ability. They are all self interested career politicians, no matter what colour the rosette or how rotten their morals.
Happy Easter!
Most of mrs zips family are leavers and tories.
I moan about all the houses the tories are putting up, the shit state of the roads, how long it takes to see a doctor. What happened to the £350million? Then use the word traitor a lot when talking about Dumbojo.
They can’t disagree with anything.
Never forget how many decent people the euro vote put on the streets. They are still there.
They called Corbyn a racist thereby guaranteeing that Johnson, who presumably wouldn’t dream of being a racist, remained secure in Downing Street.
It's absurd isn't it? As a nation, we got so worried about voting in a potentially damaging, divisive and incompetent government that we voted in a damaging, divisive and incompetent government.
Unfortunately they are a reflection of a large percentage of voters.
Agreed.
In answer to the OP, shoot some stupid people. ( or some selfish people either would suffice)
To be fair, the choice offered at the last general election amounted to: ‘would sir like his huge shit sandwich on brown or white breads?’
It’s coming to something and a telling comment on the state of our democracy when all the 2 main parties could offer us was a choice between that pair of clowns.
I think the sad reality is that with this lot enacting voter ID and gerrymandering the boundaries to further advantage themselves, the only way we’re going to get this lot out is through cooperation between Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the SNP.
Unfortunately, none of them appear to have the remotest interest in doing that, so it’s permanent Tory rule
For all yesterday’s ridiculous Rwanda announcement, there’s a rump of people who think it’s a great idea, and they go out and vote Tory at every single election. The Tory’s do this shit because they know it works.
I fully expect that their next general election manifesto will propose the return of capital punishment (maybe with a referendum) and this same rump of voters will wet themselves with glee at the prospect of the return of hanging and flogging and vote them in again
This isn’t directed at whoever made the original comment, more the overall sentiment:
Unfortunately they are a reflection of a large percentage of voters.
I disagree with this sentiment, it’s just divisive claptrap. How many people do you know who behave in the way the current government is viewed? Very few or none I’d imagine. They might vote blue rather than red, for their own reasons, but to vilify them on an Internet forum for having a different opinion to your own is unfair.
I would imagine a lot people were saying the same around 2009 just before Labour came to then end of a 15 year term.
To be fair, the choice offered at the last general election amounted to: ‘would sir like his huge shit sandwich on brown or white breads?’
Very much this.
I disagree with this sentiment, it’s just divisive claptrap. How many people do you know who behave in the way the current government is viewed? Very few or none I’d imagine. They might vote blue rather than red, for their own reasons, but to vilify them on an Internet forum for having a different opinion to your own is unfair.
This. The kind of behaviour you describe and some of the comments being made on this thread are a big part of the problem we face in moving to a more progressive and inclusive system.
"The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias."
Learned Hand
It's absurd to think that people are permanently stuck in the mentality of when they voted over brexit or a GE. Circumstances change and people can change, it's about getting out there and arguing the case and not writing people off.
It’s absurd to think that people are permanently stuck in the mentality of when they voted over brexit or a GE. Circumstances change and people can change, it’s about getting out there and arguing the case and not writing people off.
I think I've only ever unfriended 2 people on FB. One of them because for them, everyone in Scotland was forever divided by how they voted in the indyref and therefore to blame for every political decision taken by the Westminster govt after this.
the only way we’re going to get this lot out is through cooperation between Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the SNP.
Unfortunately, none of them appear to have the remotest interest in doing that, so it’s permanent Tory rulethemselves
There are positive signs on this front to be fair. Rumours abound that starmer and Davey have had behind closed doors talks about a progressive alliance. It's never going to be a 'stand down the third party' level that you'd want due to the anti democracy argument it presents for the tories but more a backpedal the local campaigning for the third party and push the tactical voting message, although that has to be sensitively done
Starmer's going to have to do deals / make compromises with all the minority parties when the election campaigns begin in earnest and you can be sure Tories will be all over this if it's too overt
Mostly we need a fair electoral system that isn't based on a ridiculous 'first past the post' system that means a small number of voters in relatively marginal seats determine general election results.
You can rant endlessly about how the government reflects the population in some way, but the reality is that it mostly doesn't, at least technically. I can't vote for a party I really believe in because if I do, I may as well flush my vote down the toilet.
More immediately we need a proper electoral pact so opposition parties don't fragment the anti-Tory vote, followed by a commitment to electoral reform by a coalition government.
Don't hold your breath.
If you want things to change you need to understand the mindset and knowledge level of the average voter. Most people are inherently selfish (that's not a criticism, just a reality of human beings), they interpret doing better for society as an attack on their personal standard of living, look at the working poor in the States who are rabidly anti Obama care. The other issue is people's base knowledge levels. Not surprisingly really in a country that is drowned in reality TV and still has religion being taught in state schools.
To get people to change their voting habits you can't threaten their view of the status quo, the fear of their income being taken to pay for others,deserving or not. Corbyn embodied that for many people so it didnt matter how well intentioned he was, he was percieved as a threat. Austerity on the other hand doesn't affect the comfortably off that much, it's actually welcomed as the right thing to do especially as the unspoken assumption is it will increase the divide in living standards.
My prediction is a lot of the traditional Labour vote (who are also completely self centered) will return to Labour as the cost of living crisis bites. The Tories only held one bit attraction and that was to bash foreigners through Brexit, they will now see themselves as hardworking people (have you seen UK productivity figures) who need looking after and that's Labour's traditional appeal. Probably also explains why there are many strikes during Labour governments, they get voted in when people aren't happy.
For all yesterday’s ridiculous Rwanda announcement, there’s a rump of people who think it’s a great idea, and they go out and vote Tory at every single election. The Tory’s do this shit because they know it works.
I have openly racist people in my family (the bit I have as little to do with as possible) who I know just lap all of this up. I know my uncle said about the Rwanda announcement: "Good, they can all go and live with all the other immigrants there then!". He completely cannot see that to the Rwandans these immigrants are not fellow immigrants but just immigrants to their home country. He's very much of the mould of "British = great, everyone else = forriner".
How many people do you know who behave in the way the current government is viewed? Very few or none I’d imagine.
See above. They're not alone either as a decent part of their social group think the same.
It’s absurd to think that people are permanently stuck in the mentality of when they voted over brexit or a GE.
There are swathes of The Valleys that will only ever vote the same way their parents voted, it's the same mentality. It is absurd but it's out there in plain sight.
UK productivity figures reflect a failure to invest because labour is so cheap and the market is deregulated not, unlike what has been claimed by Tories, because the British worker is idle.
Most people are inherently selfish (that’s not a criticism, just a reality of human beings), they interpret doing better for society as an attack on their personal standard of living,
Agree and where you are in society has a bearing on where you selfishness takes you. Rich and vote tory (as they will continue to be on your side), poor and vote labour (as they will continue to be on your side). Whatever party helps others is not really part of the decision as long as they help you.
Not everyone is like that though of course but I think a lot of people probably are.
If you're in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland the way to improve your governance is to leave the United Kingdom. Bring it on.
If that's right then the immiseration of the working class and the proletarianisation of significant sections of the middle class should mean the LP will be elected comfortably. I have my doubts, we've had impoverished people going on about muslamic rayguns and nuke the ruskies.
@BILLmc a lot of British workers are as entitled as the middle classes are, they have an innate self belief in how great they are and how hard they work. It's not a true reflection of what they do in the same way many middle managers think they run the place when the reality is somewhat different.
Investment and automation would certainly improve productivity but there would be a different cost, jobs. Much of the work ripe for automation is low skill or low engagement from the employee. Take these jobs away and it leaves no employment opportunities for a big chunk of working people who are either unskilled or their own attitudes preclude them from more complex jobs.
I think the numbers who would protest are bigger than you imagine. My wife has never protested in her life, middle aged, mild mannered lawyer. Last night she demanded a protest March.
I disagree with this sentiment, it’s just divisive claptrap. How many people do you know who behave in the way the current government is viewed? Very few or none I’d imagine. They might vote blue rather than red, for their own reasons, but to vilify them on an Internet forum for having a different opinion to your own is unfair.
No, it isn't.
Everyone who has voted Tory has voted to punish and vilify the most vulnerable members of our society.
They have voted for hatred and division.
They have contributed to the deaths of people they believe should not be treated the same way they are treated themselves.
They have contributed to the destruction of communities, the creation of an easy to blame underclass and are responsible for the current state of our society.
And you want me to be nice to them?
I hate them and will always hate them.
Never forgive, never forget.
Unfortunately the majority of people – 52% at the last official count – on this nasty, spiteful, backward-gazing deluded backwater are absolutely ****ing horrible,
I disagree with this. Most people who voted leave did so because they had been convinced that it would make things better, they weren't sufficiently well informed or intelligent to see that they were being lied to.
Everyone who has voted Tory has voted to punish and vilify the most vulnerable members of our society.
Yes, but not on purpose. They dont understand what they voted for.
People are not rational, they don't make rational decisions during elections.