[Closed] Horse Riders = Tossers too

Is it only me, or does anyone else think that if it was mostly poor people or black people that rode horses, they probably be illegal?

Does the same thing go for lycra-clad roadies?

I've been told if passing them from behind it's good to start talking before you do so and keep talking so as to not spook the horse.

Apparently there's as easily spooked as ramblers.

Don't even get me started on the regular abuse and threats of death I get from our horsey friends.

Nowt you can do about it, they have equally as much right to be there.

Wouldn't hurt to try out a few manners to us bikers though.

"Black people" WTF?

Never had a problem here in Softie Surrey. We're all used to each other by now...

if passing them from behind it's good to start talking before you do so and keep talking so as to not spook the horse.

Correct. And slow down.

One time NOT to use a bell - apparently it spooks the horse. 😆

[i]Is it only me, or does anyone else think that if it was mostly poor people or black people that rode horses, they probably be illegal?[/i]

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, would you care to explain?

so somebody on horse was concerned enough about your safety to give a warning about their horse. what a tosser:-)

I ride horses and mountain bikes, horses have a very small brain :-), that is programmed to runaway, they don't have disc brakes and they can be spooked by sudden noises as said if you talk or just make them aware you are coming from behind this helps, its better than them being spooked and hurting you or the rider or themselves, generally a good rule of thumb is to dismount and push our bike on the side away from the horse,if the horse is being a plonker,some horse riders can be rude as can bikers, I had a near miss with a guy on his mountain bike trundling towards me with his head down listening to his iPod, I shouted and called and stopped my horse but we had no where to go, at the last second the guy looked up and cra**ed himself. My horse had a bit of a jump around, but luckily I stopped him from bolting into the guy, and no one was hurt,
so please don't have a go at all horse people some of us arn't that bad. 😀

wrightyson +1

YAWN

"Black people" WTF?

No, seriously, they exist. And you'll never believe this but the goddam president of the U.S of A is one of said ethnic grouping

if the rider is unable to control the horse then they SHOULD NOT be in a public place what happens if they pass by a young child who might make a sudden move or scream.

generally a good rule of thumb is to dismount and push our bike on the side away from the horse

Nowt you can do about it, they have equally as much right to be there.

Legally, they have more right.

A while back i was riding around the back of Brown Wardle Hill & heading down a ribbon of singletrack that has since been sadly destroyed.
Coming the other way were 3 women on horseback so i stopped & waited for them to pass.
The lead rider stopped alongside me, rapped me on the helmet with her crop & demanded "Young Man, is that a bridleway ahead?" 😯

Fortunately, her mates had the sense to look embarrassed - i didn't know whether to burst out laughing or drag the snooty cow off the horse...

Had the very same discussion on a motorbike forum a few weeks ago, funny thing is all the same arguments come out on here!

Have found that hope freewheel noise spooks the hell out of em though.

(horses not motorcycles)

I've seen all types of horse riders around Guildford. There are quite a few stables so you sometimes see inexperienced riders and/or horses. I find if you stop as they come towards you or ask to pass if you are going the same way it's generally OK. I have has the ocassional verbal altercation but in the end we are all out enjoying our hobby so I find it best to live and let live. It's too crowded round here to think you can have exclusive use of the countryside.

Is it only me, or does anyone else think that if it was mostly poor people or black people that rode horses, they probably be illegal?

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, would you care to explain?

Sure, the point I was making was that the establishment think horses are 'OK' because they are riden and loved by rich and powerful people, such as, for example, the Queen and her extended family.

If they were predominately ridden and loved by a minority that didn't have such as degree of influence, it would be acceptable to raise the question as to whether or not they are safe to be ridden in places where they might come into close proximity with people other than their riders.

Is that clear enough?

if my local horse riders are not blocking the narrow country lanes on the way to my local trails then i find them bombing through the woods without a bell,,,,,, its just not on,,,, somebody could get killed with them giving me a wide berth and slowing down as they approach,,,, bloody vandals.

@insert irony smiley@

We just have a blanket policy - we don't ride past horses, we stop and let them ride past us. I they are going in the same direction we make sure they have heard us and ride dead slow a good distance behind until the horse riders acknowledge us and wave us past.

Not so difficult, and much more civil.

glenp - Member
We just have a blanket policy - we don't ride past horses, we stop and let them ride past us. I they are going in the same direction we make sure they have heard us and ride dead slow a good distance behind until the horse riders acknowledge us and wave us past.

Not so difficult, and much more civil.

I'm sorry, but you are being far too reasonable.
Please leave this forum immediately.

andy7t2 - Member
if the rider is unable to control the horse then they SHOULD NOT be in a public place what happens if they pass by a young child who might make a sudden move or scream.

I'm not a fan of horses or horse riders generally.
When a dog behaves as badly as some of the horses, there's uproar. If they're dangerous and likely to kick somebody they shouldn't be out in the same way that poorly trained dogs should be on a lead. I reserve my most choice language for snotty horsey types who inform me what I should/shouldn't be doing.

To be fair good old Derbyshire has it's good and bad horse riders. Same as anywhere I suppose, I try and be polite and courteous no matter who I come across. One thing that does grate me tho is hosreriders or cyclists who ride two abreast on twisty country roads.

the horsey brigade that use the chase are usually lovely and we always have some cheeky banter with them. It always pays to be nice to people in different user groups as each and every one of us is an ambassador for the sport. If there are too many complaints or objections from significantly larger groups like the bobble hatters or horse riders especially then it could all get a bit messy. (obviously depending upon the land owner and legal access rights) Much like when the FC decided they hated mountain bikers in the late 80's early 90's.

We're probably [i][b]all[/b][/i] tossers/stereotyped in our own special way... it always makes me smile how one act viewed by an individual then morphs into a blanket generalisation about the group doing the observed tossing activity.... Collectively we may be seen as Mountain Bike Tossers... as much as you may deny it, other folk will have decided thats collectively what we all are based on meeting a few of us....

See the information to support your view... confirm your perspective therefore its is true for the rest of the tossers doing the same thing....

Just insert the individual and focus of tossish activity into the following sentence, would probably cover all eventualities....

If the [i]rider/driver/author/rambler/spokesperson/tv personality/politician (you an add your own here)[/i] is unable to control their [i]horse/dog/car/red socks/bigoted or sexist attitude/pram/small child/litter/BMW/craving[/i] then they SHOULD NOT be [i]choose your location/action[/i] ....

How about a bit of management bollocks to close...

We are all part of the problem and part of the solution...... thats why the access agreement in Scotland depends on and works in the main as people are being reasonable and looking out for each other...

But anyway, what do I care, I'm just a tosser with a mountain bike....

As a couple of others have said...stop for horses.

If you treat them like walkers and just pass when you feel like it, you are going to have to expect some abuse. (though Pic N Mix is obviously riding like a prat to get 'regular abuse and death threats')

Walkers will jump if you pass quietly, a horse is no different...except that instead of shouting 'get a bell!' the horse will just try and escape, with or without its rider.

😉

Is it only me, or does anyone else think that if it was mostly poor people or black people that rode horses, they probably be illegal?

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, would you care to explain?

I understand this perfectly. I do hope us brown people are included in this analysis though. 😉

The OP means that if 'less desirable' types were to ride horses in the manner that some white middle-class types do, there'd be an outrage in Royal Tunbridge Wells*. No, it's true.

I have a lot of time for horse riders, and always give way to horses. In Epping Forest, where I ride a bit, you often see people riding horses. I've never had a problem with any of them. Quite a few nice young ladies in tight jodphurs...(back to the topic please Elf).

My understanding is that it's considered quite a 'Middle ClassActivity'. Some people can be quite rude, and inconsiderate of others.

I think what the OP meant, that if this were 'Chavs' or Darkies behaving in such a manner, Outraged of RTW would be apoplectic. I think this is quite a good point actually.

Discuss.

(*Token White Middle CLass Little Englander Enclave. Other pockets of bigotry are available. I am aware that this is generalising and possibly derogatory towards residents of RTW but... oh sod it you get my point)

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yep they'd never let 'em do it 🙄

You wanna try Epping Forest

Can't see that image Tazzy. Tell me it's not a picture of Oliver Skeet.

EDIT Oh I can see it now. It's almost embarrassing. Every time somone wants to make the point it's 'not only white folk that ride horses you know', they drag out an image of Oliver Skeet. 'Ooh but look; black people ride horses too!'.

is ok to kick horses in the head if they chase you and try to bite?...it's just my legs might not reach that high.

Tell me it's not a picture of Oliver Skeet.

Ok It's not a picture of oliver skeet....it might be his identical twin though....or a stunt double...... 😉

well my little elfin, if horsey types like using oliver as an example it just goes to show that not only is he admired amongst his peers but that he is a fantastic role model.

I never have a problem with horse riders.

I like horses and have ridden a fair bit. I don't tend to like horsey types, but I always give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm with Elfin on this.

I suspect it wasn't meant to be derogatory, but the implication seemed to be that if '[s]less desirable[/s]' Ahem, I mean minorities that didn't have such a degree of influence, then it would become illegal.

Like black people or the poor....

As I say, I'm hopeful it wasn't meant that way, but poor choice of metaphor...

My horse who is now long gone once pinched a mars bar, we rode passed a car and the girl got out, unwrapped her mars bar, and at that point my horse stopped turned and pinched it,very embarrasing , luckily the girl found it funny, now that was a horse out of control, she always had a liking for mars bars after that, and Guiness 😳
I'm just an ordinary person who does not have much money , mainly because of my passion for horses and my passion for mountain biking 🙂

Always find horse riders to be very polite. Wife is a good horse rider and trainer, iI have,worked with them. Maybe its just you that has the problem?

Both of my brother's wives, (ex and current), have owned horses. Neither were snobby upper middle class.
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My brother and his new wife when they got married last June. Hardly snobby horsey types.
FWIW where I ride around N Wilts I've never had problems with horse riders, most say hello, and I always slow up when going towards riders, and call out and ask if it's ok to pass when approaching from behind. I only ever had one problem with a spooked horse, when I called out to the rider who was in a world of her own and I made her jump, which made the horse spook. I apologised, but the rider said sorry, she should have been more aware of what was around her. It was a pretty quiet road.

Apparently there's as easily spooked as ramblers.

Hmmn, never had a rambler try to kick me, panic, then crap all over the trail before. Well, not all at the same time, obviously.

And the best reply to snooty female horsists is a nice, cheery
'My God! Your bum looks heruuuuge in those jodphurs'

or

'I've got an apple, but I'm not sure which of you to feed it to'.

I like horses.
They're very expensive to run, but delicious and surprisingly low in fat.

I got shouted at by the lead rider in a group for going too fast, so I slowed down then got shouted by the rear rider of the same group for going too slow. But most horsiclists seem OK to me.

Never had a problem here in Softie Surrey. We're all used to each other by now...

Me neither. (Had an argumnet down in the New Forest though...)
That said, if you're friendly and give the horses plenty of room I fing horsey people very friendly. More than once I've asked directions from them (they tend to know the bridleways.....) and never had a problem really

My dog loves chasing and barking at horses

The majority of riders I know are neither posh, nor rich. In fact ever since I started riding I've been surprised at how many fellow riders sound like they'd be at home on the set of Eastenders, darlin'. It is a predominantly white demographic but so is rambling and MTBing - possibly because the rural population of Britain is much less diverse than the cities.

Horses are inherently nervy creatures, with quite small brains. They're rarely aggressive, they just panic when surprised and tend to bolt, occasionally kicking before they flee. Nothing like dogs, more like larger and brighter sheep. Very good hearing, so shout hello before braking and shocking them with freaky ultrasonic pad squeal that we can't hear.

The horse riders that frequent the trials where I ride are all noticeably more polite and cheerier than a lot of the ramblers and walkers I meet.

It can be a bit annoying if you get stuck behind them for ages but thems the breaks I guess.

As for passing them, I was told that essentially they don't realise you're people if you're on a bike which is why they (and dogs) seem to get easily spooked by bikes. But if you talk as you go past or near than they realise you're just a person and this calms them. Sounded plausible.

I do find horse spooked by bikes - however interestingly in Holland the horses I passed were not spooked by bikes or bike bells at all - must be habituated to them so there must be an element of training to avoid being spooked by bike possible

I find horses a pain when out on the trails because of how easily they are spooked and how dangerous they can be - however its rare I come across them and the riders have always been polite

My sisters horses will follow mountain bikes as they like the extra company. We ride together quite often and the red sub 5 horse is used to persuade them that the carrier bag or narrow track isn't scary. One, sadly gone now, used to bite at my handlebar grips while we were trundling along at a fair clip which was a little disconcerting.

My husband spooked a horse
by riding a recumbent. The horse really didn't like the look of it, just like a lot of other people we met along the trail that day!

used to go on rides on my bike and my wife on her horse quite nice really.
I have met plenty of mountain bikers on the trail who come across like total tossers. normally ones with all the gear and no idea. same as walkers, runners, whatever! you cant tar everyone with the same brush. there are idiots in all walks of life.
apart from people with 5000 pound downhill rigs 300 quid troy lee helmets and matching race gear also a van with alloys and loads of stickers on it BUT THEY CANT BLOODY RIDE now they are abit shit.