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@IHN, really? I could barely move from a page without seeing warnings about DMS and lids... Mind you, it does mean that my extractor gets a good cleaning from the condensation.

Four days in and my fermenter is looking like it has slowed down. I'm really wishing that I had gone for a tilt or iSpindel or something so I knew what was happening in there. I know that last lot of Mangrove Jack I used went off quickly and finished after less than a week, but it still seems strange given that most fermentations are supposed to be about two weeks.

Would over pitching cause this? I added a complete pack to a 10L batch of wort, but the packs are for 15-25L...


 
Posted : 17/03/2020 2:14 pm
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And just collected another coupe of hundred gams of hops and some yeast. Hopefully this will stave off boredom and give me something to look forward to.

Now, if only I could find a decent recipe for mosaic hops and kveik yeast...


 
Posted : 17/03/2020 2:41 pm
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My white ale is ready to keg this evening. First time conditioning a beer in my Dark Farm keg. Once that is kegged, I'll probably do a small batch of an American Pale Ale. This will be my second all grain brew, the first wasn't an amazing success. But it is all a learning process I suppose.


 
Posted : 17/03/2020 3:04 pm
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but it still seems strange given that most fermentations are supposed to be about two weeks.

Would over pitching cause this? I added a complete pack to a 10L batch of wort, but the packs are for 15-25L…

The yeast multiplies very quickly as it eats it's way through the dissolved oxygen, double the amount doesn't halve the time, it's probably more like a few hours. Over pitching takes a lot of yeast.

Depends on too many factors to say "most take 2 weeks". I've fermented, bottled, conditioned and drunk heffeweizen in 2 weeks! A lager on the other hand is only just getting going after the first week.

You could probably get away with half a packet if you wanted to save it, but it won't make a significant difference to the fermentation.


 
Posted : 17/03/2020 3:58 pm
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Well I know that now. Genuinely though, none of the guides I’d read beforehand mentioned it. Ah well, live and learn.

It may well be cobblers though. Read this http://brulosophy.com/2016/10/31/the-boil-lid-on-vs-lid-off-exbeeriment-results/

I boil with the lid on (cracked slightly at one side to prevent boilover) and plenty of steam still escapes. I've never detected DMS in my brews.


 
Posted : 17/03/2020 4:06 pm
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That brulosophy site is interesting.

If I were to add a tap to the bottom of my Big Boiling Pan, would this sort of thing do the trick do you think?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beverage-Homebrew-Working-Pressure-Sanitary/dp/B083HC6VRQ/ref=pd_rhf_schuc_p_img_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ZDFEHQEQ7HARX0BSTFFZ


 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:50 am
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^ I have the tap and filter in this link https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/product/33-litre-stainless-boiler/

Works very well. I'd be concerned that your link isn't designed for heat.


 
Posted : 18/03/2020 1:17 pm
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Works very well. I’d be concerned that your link isn’t designed for heat.

Assuming the washers are silicone it should be fine?

My old boiler was a 40l polypropylene bucket with kettle elements and pipe fittings from screwfix


 
Posted : 18/03/2020 2:38 pm
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Or you could go mad with a step drill and some silver solder and then just use PTFE tape to secure the tap.


 
Posted : 18/03/2020 2:48 pm
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Assuming the washers are silicone it should be fine?

My old boiler was a 40l polypropylene bucket with kettle elements and pipe fittings from screwfix

My pan is used on a gas burner... so the tap gets a lot hotter than 100 degrees.

I should say that we've just had an induction hob fitted, so I will need a new pan as my existing one isn't magnetic. Does anyone have a recommendation?


 
Posted : 18/03/2020 2:52 pm
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I have a stainless steel boiler pan. I have a Peco digital boiler, think it cost me £120 a few years back. 25L bucket, kettle element, digital controller, plus a lid. The plastic one is suitable for use anywhere I can find a mains socket. The steel one is only suitable for on hob use.

I haven’t brewed for a couple of years now but I’m starting to think that the time is right to start again.
I have grain.
I have Cascade & Citra hops.
I have some US05 yeast.
What am I waiting for?


 
Posted : 19/03/2020 9:01 pm
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Just brew it!

I find it really satisfying to have something that I made that is nice to drink. It’s like baking, but liquid. Maybe not then. Anyway, just get on a do it. Two weeks time, just as you are going made with self isolation, you’ll have beer.


 
Posted : 19/03/2020 9:35 pm
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Right then, was just in the hardware shop and they had some Geordie Yorkshire Bitter kits going cheap, so I thought sod it and bought one.

So, at my disposal I have the kit, about 500g of DME left over from a previous brew, about the same of brewing sugar, various brown/dark sugars/syrup/treacle in the pantry, and about 50g each of Fuggles and Cascade hops in the freezer.

Ideas please for combining some of the above to make something a bit more interesting than the boggo kit.


 
Posted : 21/03/2020 10:11 am
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Ooh, actually, I've got some crystal malt too.

What do the brewing minds think to something like steeping 250g of the malt for an hour in a couple of litres of water and adding that to the kit along with 500g DME, 250g brewing sugar and 250g demerara? Maybe dry hop with the Cascade once the primary has finished?


 
Posted : 23/03/2020 11:27 am
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First glass of my Leap Beer. Mainly Maris Otter, about 7% crushed crystal. 50/50 Fuggles and Goldings.

Tasty.


 
Posted : 23/03/2020 12:09 pm
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Seeing a lot of chat on some professional distilling groups about them making hand sanitiser with high strength alcohol, but it's expensive as the duty paid to HMRC is massive.

However, there are other ways to denature corona-viruses - soap is one (breaks down the fats which form the virus' structure), or you can hit it with a low pH solution (sub 3.6).

Every brewery and distillery is likely sitting on a load of sanitiser such as 5 star, which works by.... having a low pH - 3.5! if made up to their mixing guidelines.

So, if you have starsan, you have a suitable sanitiser. I made up a bunch of spray bottles of it yesterday with a slightly higher ratio of sanitiser to water than they recommend.

In other news, vinegar has a pH of ~2.3. A 1:10 solution with water still has a low enough pH to denature pH.

Crazy that all these commercial gin distilleries are shutting down production and making duty paid sanitiser (£35k per 1000 litre) when there are much cheaper ways of doing it.

https://www.sarsons.co.uk/how-vinegar-is-made


 
Posted : 23/03/2020 2:21 pm
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Aye, but can you put sanitiser on chips???

Just had a mid-condition taste of my experimental IPA. It is clear, really clear so the flocking agent obviously works well. It's already well carbonated and holds a decent head, but the hops aroma I was looking for with the Citra is not there, probably due to the mistake in adding the second hops at 15 minutes and not at 5. I also did not dry hop.

It is still drinkable, but could be so much better.

In other news, I popped by a local brewing shop and picked up some more yeasts and a kilo bag of wheat malt so that I can try something like a Weissen.


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 12:32 pm
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You could still dry it hop it now if you wanted?


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 3:57 pm
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Currently bringing my cornys and Grainfather out of dusty storage.

Washing everything down.

I have ordered some all grain kits off Worchester Hop Shop, nothing fancy, Landlord, London Pride and an ESB. Quick to ferment and give very drinkable results through the beer engine.

They won't be here until next week, due to high demand.


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 4:07 pm
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@yourguitarhero

Sadly, it's all bottled and halfway through conditioning. It's already drinkable, but I see it as more of a learning experience.

The big question though... I have a load of Citra, Mosaic, Ekaunot, Chinook and Saaz. A 25kg sack of Viking Pale Ale malt, a kilo of wheat malt and about half a kilo of Cara Munich II. What should I do for the next brew?

I normally do a 10-11L batch from a 15-16L pre-boil, so suggestions for something of around that size welcome.


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 4:46 pm
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Sounds like a good mix for a white IPA?


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 5:54 pm
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Good suggestion!

Ok, will break out the Ekaunot, Citra and Mosaic and see what I can make. Have a recipe that looks good on paper and fits the style, not too hoppy, but having Mosaic and Ekaunot as the flavours should make it good. I might even add a touch of spice and fruit to see what that adds.

Just need to find more bottles over the next week or so now.


 
Posted : 25/03/2020 9:13 pm
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Good excuse to drink more beers first!

I have cornie kegs, so sometimes have about 100 litre of beer kicking about. Have to have a party to free some up for my next brews.

Ah, I remember parties


 
Posted : 26/03/2020 5:05 am
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Kegs are a good idea. Sweden seems to like the "partyfat" system if you are a recreational brewer; 5L tins that you can put in your own little pump system. I (stupidly) passed on a load when I got some it off a friend and now I think they are gone. Would have been perfect for times like this.

Or bad. I mean, if you have beer on tap, you'll drink it, right?


 
Posted : 26/03/2020 7:53 am
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White IPA complete. Pale ale malt, wheat malt, a touch of Cara Unich II and three types of hops (as well as a touch of spice). Hopefully the yeast had enough life left to take off.

Disappointing numbers for pre-boil and original gravities. Off the predicted by a fair margin a and have no idea why. It might have been selecting the wrong malt in the builder.

Anyway, will see what happens overnight


 
Posted : 26/03/2020 7:21 pm
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Brew just done:

300g Crystal Malt, steeped at 65degC for half an hour in 3l of water
Chucked in 500g each of DME and brewing sugar and 125g demerara sugar.
Boiled it for 10 mins.
Chucked in 50g Cascade pellets
All in the bucket with the kit can of Geordie Yorkshire Bitter
Topped up to 21l, added (rehydrated) yeast from kit.

OG1042, in the brew fridge at 20degC, let's see what happens.


 
Posted : 29/03/2020 3:46 pm
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Should have said, the Cascade hops were put in at flameout, and sieved out again when it went in the bucket, about 20mins later.


 
Posted : 29/03/2020 5:34 pm
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And it is in bottles!

Latest brew, “Isolation IPA”, is on the way to being conditioned. Managed to get just over 10L out of the batch and it looks and smells really quite nice already. Attenuated down to 1.012 from 1.049 or so, giving me a roughly 4.6% ABV ale with, hopefully, the fresh, fruity aroma of the Mosaic and Ekaunot hops coming through.

I still can’t understand why the OG was so far off the plan, but I think it turned out ok in the end. Just need to wait for two weeks before drinking it now!


 
Posted : 03/04/2020 7:13 am
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Moosaic and Ekuanot are the nearest hops to skunky canabis imo. I think this is part of the appeal to some. I like both, but they are expensive and limited. Commercially unavailable in quantities this year, although that may have changed with people wriggling out of huge , expensive hop contracts
I converted around 150 x 9gallon casks to sedimented polypins and minipins for public sale , and sent 2000Ltr to be bottled to use up stock when BJ shut down the pubs.
Not brewing anymore as its not viable once you remove the wage bill as we can all be Furloughed , so its rent to pay ( or not ) and a few direct debits .
Selling to the public is great for cashflow , but carries the inherrant risk of exposure so another reason to stay home


 
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Yeah, it was the first time I had seen Ekaunot in the fridge at PGW, so bought some on impulse. I think it was 89kr for 100g. The Mosaic was cheaper as it came from a place in Göteborg.

I think the most I have spent on hops in one hit was the Nelson Sauvin that I have in the freezer. I bought it specifically for a brew day that got cancelled, sorry, postponed. it's not going anywhere, but it does keep reminding me that I need to make that summer IPA soon.

Still looking for some Aurora hops that I can use in a SMASH for my GF's skydiving team.


 
Posted : 03/04/2020 9:22 am
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Perhaps someone could give me a bit of advice?

I did a second brew of the Youngs IPA - and it tastes funny - yeasty and quite bitter

The first brew went well and was not just nice for homebrew, but actually really nice compared to other beers

Is there anything I can do to take away the yeasty taste (its been in the cask for about a month)
Or is it too late and I need to start again

Thanks in advance!


 
Posted : 03/04/2020 11:25 am
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The better brewers might be able to help, but could cold crashing help? That should sink out the yeast and let you transfer it to another vessel.


 
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Sometimes, the brews just don't work out.
If you can, try to think about what you did differently to the time it went well.
Did you use different equipment or ingredients? Were things cleaned/sanitised (or not)? Did you measure the specific gravity at the beginning and end of fermentation? If so, did it differ from last time? Was the fermentation at a different temperature or for a different amount of time? Did you transfer to a secondary fermenter? Did you bottle/keg it differently?


 
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There were a few differences, but mostly similarities:

All stuff cleansed in the same way
When the brew set off the first time it was reasonably gentle, continuing bubbling for over a week or so
The second time it was quite brisk and all over in a week.

Same brew kit, same brewing kit

Temperature as similar as I could make it (first time was a warmer ambient temp, the second time was helped by keeping it on a heated floor - I wonder if the second brew was warmer and that accounts for the difference?)

The only other difference was i put most of it in a pressure keg, rather than bottles (mainly as the first brew was incredibly fizzy - so much so that the fizz disturbed yeast from the bottle every time)

Would cold crashing help and how could I do it?

Thanks for your help
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Posted : 06/04/2020 10:32 am
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Fermenting warmer can introduce off flavours from a stressed yeast, but I am not sure how warm that has to be and it's going to depend on the yeast. Warmer will, as far as I know, make it ferment faster.

Any ideas on how warm it was? I keep mine in a spare room at about 19C and that seems to work, but I'll start moving to the basement in a few weeks as it gets warmer.

The bottle fizz could be over-priming. I _think_ ales only need about 1.5 to 2 volumes of gas and that's not a lot of sugar, probably about 40g of normal sugar for 10 litres of beer. More sugar means more gas during conditioning.

On a different note, which keg do you use? I'm thinking I might try one at some point.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:48 pm
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I'm tempted to give some ginger beer a go - any tips / good recipes?

I've had success with cider before, although it was quite sharp and not to my wife's liking - leaving me with gallons of the stuff to drink.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:52 pm
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The floor is around 25 degrees but with minimal contact I would say that the brew was just over 20 degrees most of the time (probably higher than the first attempt though)

I used the priming sugar from the kit and dissolved it before adding to ensure uniform dosing.

In terms of keg - it's one I was given a typical white plastic roundish with a tap at the bottom
- I can't really rate it at the moment!

I might read up on cold shocking and try that !


 
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25C is really quite warm, so it might be that that caused the off taste. Despite being off the floor it could be that the bucket was trapping a lot of heat underneath and raising the temperature. I really try to keep mine at about 18-19C as that seems to suit the yeasts I have used so far.

Let it condition and see what happens. If it is a bit gassy you could always purge it a bit I guess.


 
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2.3 to 2.5 vols is a good starting point for ales. Less than 2.0 vols and it will be softer.. Less carbonic acid. But kinda dull more like caffreys Irish bitter
Temps wdre probably ok, imo you let it run too hot for too long eg 24c at 1009 and stressed the yeasts. For some reason home brewers likevto ferment for a week, comercial brewers 3 days, then cool abit, some hold at say 16c then cjill to 8c
Dunmo but stick at it even id this batch dorsnt work out


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 6:36 pm
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Today is tasting day for my "Isolation IPA", so I will report back what a week of conditioning is like. I plan on leaving the rest alone for at least another week though before allowing it out to others.

But, this does bring another question into the daylight: What to brew next?

I am running low on the Belgian Ale side and have a plan for a slightly stronger, slightly dark dubbel-style ale with a hint of spice to back up the traditional esters and phenols. But the weather is improving now and I can see that being maybe a bit heavy for spring.

I would love to do a Gose, but that's a complex process (for me) and I have a feeling I will get it wrong, so a lighter, fresher IPA might be an idea, maybe something with a hint of lemongrass to make it feel like spring. I'll probably go for something a little more sessionable too, not the 8-9% of the Belgian.

Suggestions and comments welcome.


 
Posted : 09/04/2020 10:44 am
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Quick thread update; the original brew that kicked off this thread, now called Boggo Bitter, is drinking lovely now after a good few weeks' cold conditioning. The bastardised Geordie Yorkshire Bitter kit, now known as Yorkshire Bastard, got bottled at the weekend, ended up at about 3.6%. That'll sit in the brewfridge for a week to carbonate then that'll sit and condition for a while.

Plus, just taken delivery from the Malt Miller so there's enough for two lots of piece-of-piss my Belgian/Leffe clone (first one will be done this weekend) and another Fuggles/EKG-based session bitter. I need another brewfridge 🙂


 
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I can't get through to my wee brewery. Got two IPAs cold conditioning there, hope they're ok.

In the interim I've had the soldering iron out and been building an iSpindel wifi hydrometer. Almost complete now (after a frustrating process - mostly from using a too blunt soldering iron) - just need to calibrate it with some sugar solutions and it *should* be ready to go^

^ sit in the cupboard until I can get through to the shed


 
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I don't have huge amounts of space and brew every so often, so not regularly.
I brew with a large stock pot and a bag with plastic fermenter. I have been looking at an all in one system, mostly for space saving, but what are the benefits of using an all in one system?


 
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Much less hassle - moving hot liquid around, spilling things etc.
They also tend to have recirculation pumps (improve efficiency = more or stronger beer for the same amount of grain) and more accurate mash temperature control (in comparison to doing it on the stove) which will help sugar extraction and for you to control dryness of finished beer etc.

Have a look at Brewdevil and Hopcat. Heard good things from friends who have used them. I have a Grainfather which I would recommend. Quite a few kicking around second hand on eBay generally.


 
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Thanks for that YGH. I watched a review on the Brewzilla Robobrew and that came out pretty well. I'll have a look at the others, but my budget would probably be around 300-350.

Are there any key features to look out for on a more budget all in one?


 
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My giant stock pot arrived today so I'm ready to brew some undrinkable session ipa! First attempt with a grain kit.


 
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hanks for that YGH. I watched a review on the Brewzilla Robobrew and that came out pretty well. I’ll have a look at the others, but my budget would probably be around 300-350.

I have a Grainfather as well. I like it but it's a bit overpriced IMO.

Have a look at the Klarstein systems. Klarstein

From what I understand there is not a great deal of difference between the systems, some more bells and whistles on the newer more expensive ones but most people will not use the extra features. e.g 9 mash steps compared to 6. I have never bothered with a stepped mash anyway.


 
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Yeah, I agree with Gobochul.

Only thing I would suggest is to decide on a batch size now, and base everything around it. "Normal" homebrew batches are 23l (5 gallon). But some folk do half sized ones. If you're just drinking on your own, an 11 litre batch size will work fine!

Batch size relates to the size of fermenters, the number of bottles/kegs per brew and the cost of ingredients per batch.

A grainfather can do small batches with some extra pipes you buy, and I believe the Brewdevils etc can do small and normal batch sizes. They also do 50 litre sizes....?


 
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Been out the game for too long. Just ordered some Simcoe, Citra and Centennial hops, grains and some west coast yeast.

Looking forward to a brew day.

Stock seems pretty low in most places, I'm guessing lots of folk have rediscovered it or are taking it up.


 
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Or did what I did and built up stocks so that they could brew whilst the suppliers were shut. My plan is to use a lot of that real soon now though.

Second hand all in one is what I would look for if I were to start again, but I actually really like my current setup. I’m adding a pump to it (hopefully this week) which should allow me to get a bit more efficiency and cool a bit better, but the stock 20L pot works well on the induction hob, so I can’t complain.

Next brew will be early next week, likely Monday, and will be a darker Belgian ale, followed on Saturday by a lighter, summery IPA using Nelson Sauvin hops. Between the two types, that should both use us all my bottles and keep me in beer for a while.

@yourguitarhero Was the iSpindel a full kit, or did you have to get components yourself?


 
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iSpindel was a kit. Was a bit awkwared (based on a project board), so ordered some PCB versions from China to build the other one. Might even re-do the first one as not sure how robust it would be


 
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I have to say that I am tempted by that kind of kit, but me doing the soldering means introducing a lot of potential to mess things up.

When you have had a chance to calibrate it, could you do a bit of a review?


 
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Bottled and kegged an IPA with Vic's Secret Mouteka and Wha-iti hops tonight. Early signs are promising.
I have also tinkered with my kit. Two stainless conicals for fermenting and built a kettle with a RIMS set up and added a sight glass and an inlet for the whirlpool.


 
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Damn, I wish I had the space (and liver!) to justify that kit! Still using 15 litre buckets for fermenting here.

As it happens, I am using one of them right now to ferment a dark Belgian ale that I put together Monday night. Chinook to bitter, Saaz to flavour and a hint of star anis. Except... my molasses is a solid block so I could not use it and the Cara Munich 2 I had was less than I needed. Sooooo, not so strong, not so dark.

I have a brew day planned for Saturday to make the summer IPA. Looking forward to that.


 
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Brew day last Saturday. A British IPA: Maris otter, Northdown, Challenger and EKG.

Many things went wrong: mashout temp too high, gravity too low, yeast starter showed no activity after two days. It's fermenting now but I'm not optimistic.


 
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Just started drinking an Amarillo single hop, from the Greg Hughes book, I brewed 5 weeks ago.

It's very good.


 
Posted : 06/05/2020 7:58 am
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Second batch of Ginger beer here has just about finished fermenting - 1st batch was surprisingly good, light and refreshing and went down far to easily 🙂

It started to ferment much quicker this time, maybe cos I mixed the yeast with warm water to start it off, last time I just tipped the yeast into the demi john.

How do you work out the alcoholic strength?


 
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You need to measure the gravity of the solution before you ferment, then compare it to the gravity after fermenting. There are tools that then calculate the ABV for you.

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Mashout temps can't really be too high. They can be too low, but anywhere from 75c to 100c works. The purpose of the mash-out is to denature any amolytic enzymes (mainly α-amylase, β-amylase, and limit dextrinase) with the heat and stop them breaking down the sugars any further than what you had intended with your mash temperature (where there is a trade off between alcohol yield and body).

First graph is a general enzyme one, not related to the ones I mentioned above


 
Posted : 06/05/2020 8:40 am
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Cracked open a bottle of Yorkshire Bastard last night, after a couple of weeks' conditioning, and that's coming up lovely.

Belgian Bastard (Nelson Sauvin) is being bottled at the weekend, and I'll get the Bastard Boltmaker (EKG/Fuggles) on the go.

There's a theme with my brewnames 🙂


 
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@yourguitarhero Thank you for posting that, it helped me understand the purpose of mashout a bit beter!


 
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Racked off a West Coast IPA yesterday and started the double dry-hop - next lot of hops go in tomorrow. Looks a little darker than planned but that may just be the volume and lack of light in a steel brew bucket. Smelt good though!

Lockdown's been good for brewing, made a challenge brew as some friends game me their home-grown grapes (hazy Brut IPA with Nelson Sauvin & Mosaic hops - it's drinkable but I wouldn't add grapes to beer again). Also made a marmalade amber ale which ideally needs another week in the fridge before drinking but I may cave in at the weekend and try one.
Just made a root-beer syrup to add to an amber ale base as my mate likes root-beer and I thought I'd make him some alcoholic stuff.

To-do list involves a Pilsner with Saaz hops, a Belgian and something using Kviek yeast as I've not made/used any of that lot before.


 
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Just made a root-beer syrup to add to an amber ale base as my mate likes root-beer and I thought I’d make him some alcoholic stuff.

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Posted : 06/05/2020 9:08 am
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Hehehehehe. That might be a good recipe for BBQs later in the year you know.

I too have some Kveik in the fridge. Was actually thinking about using it for the winter tout I have planned for August, but I am not sure how it will impact the taste of something like that. Guen the grain bill and the high predicted OG, I don't really want to experiment with something that will take a long time to condition.


 
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1.4L water, 85g Sarsaparilla root, 15g burdock root, 1tsp coriander seeds, 1 Star Anise, 1 clove, 60g black treacle, 2 drops wintergreen extract.
Dry ingredients + water in a pan, boil then simmer for 15mins. Add treacle, simmer for another 5. Remove from heat, add wintergreen, let it cool to room temp. Then strain and let the roots rest in the strainer for 30 mins - don't be tempted to give them a squeeze. I've stopped here this time but if you want to make a syrup to keep in the fridge then just return it to the heat with the same amount of sugar by volume to the liquid you have.

Sarsaparilla, burdock & wintergreen all came from eBay, can't get leaf wintergreen in the UK it seems.

My plan is for a simple amber base using Pale malt with a touch of crystal will use a touch of Magnum to bitter but not much. Then add the above at secondary fermentation.


 
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To-do list involves a Pilsner with Saaz hops,

That's my next one. A Pilsner Urquell clone. I did a batch a couple of years back and it was fantastic. Way better than the real commercial one! Very simple as well.


 
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Mashout temps can’t really be too high. They can be too low, but anywhere from 75c to 100c works

Good to know, thanks. Beersmith instructions are 75.6C held for 10 minutes, but I got distracted and it was nearer 90C by the time I noticed. I BIAB and only do a mashout as I have noticed a small but consistent increase in OG when I perform this step.


 
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@gobuchul - did you do all that decoction malarkey with the pilsner or just a regular mash?
Also I can't tie up the brew fridge for 4-6 weeks to lager it so just planning to lager it in the beer fridge, that should be ok shouldn't it?


 
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@gobuchul – did you do all that decoction malarkey with the pilsner or just a regular mash?
Also I can’t tie up the brew fridge for 4-6 weeks to lager it so just planning to lager it in the beer fridge, that should be ok shouldn’t it?

Nothing fancy at all. Really simple.

23 litre batch.
4.7kg of pilsner malt. (I added a little carapils the last time I did it. 3% or so)
1hr mash at 65c
Boil time 75 mins
50g of Saaz at 75 mins
20g of Saaz at 10 mins
20g of Saaz at 0 mins

Ferment at 12c
Lager at 3c for 4 weeks (Beer fridge will be fine)


 
Posted : 06/05/2020 11:54 am
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Cool, thanks for that. I bottle carb, should I bottle and then lager or lager and then bottle (possibly with additional yeast)?


 
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When making a lager, let the beer come up to room temp (18c) for 2 days just before the end of fermentation and before the chilled lagering conditioning phase. This can help volatilise off diacetyl which can give a butterscotch flavour that is generally unwanted in that beer.


 
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lager and then bottle

I use corny kegs and don't bottle.

I know a lot of people use those 25l sealed containers for lagering, before they bottle.

Not sure how much yeast will be left to kick in secondary when you bottle though?

Maybe @yourguitarhero knows more?

As always, i recommend going over to https://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/ great little forum, loads of knowledge and very friendly.


 
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Lager then bottle with some priming sugar, leaving the bottle at room temp for 2 weeks. They'll be nice that way.


 
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Lager then bottle with some priming sugar,

So enough of the yeast survives the lagering to kick in when primed?


 
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As always, i recommend going over to> https://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/

You may even see some names you recognise 😉


 
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Yes, you can secondary ferment after lagering.


 
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I've got an all grain pilsner just bottle conditioning, and there's a hopback summer lightning clone about to go on.

After that, who knows? A preposterous IPA using a pound of hops for a 5 gallon batch perhaps.


 
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So long as you can see a haze in the beer there should be sufficient active cells to condition a Lager . Bar bright can have up to 10,000 cells per ml so thusands floating around. May take a little longer with a low yeast count, but if you can force a few bottles a week will give you a good idea of fizz potential


 
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Well, after getting a 10L batch of Belgian Dubbel done and in the fermenter in Monday, I decided to double down and put a 10L batch of a surprisingly strong single hop summer IPA in a second fermenter.

My plan is to bottle the Dubbel on Monday night if it is done resting, then dry hop the IPA on Wednesday or Thursday so it has the weekend to absorb those lovely Nelson Sauvin flavours, then bottle that the Monday after.

May is looking to be a tasty month.


 
Posted : 09/05/2020 9:49 pm
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Well, the Dubbel got bottled last night. It finished out at about 1.010 giving about a 7.3% ABV beer that tastes really quite Belgiany. It does need to condition a bit though and is quite hazy at the moment.

In other news, I got bored on Sunday and made an experimental sour beer with minimal hopping and inoculated with a sourdough starter I had in the fridge. The grain bill was 85% Pale Ale and 15% wheat malt, a 30 minute boil with 5g of citra at the start and 5g of Ekaunot at 0 mins. It took a while to get going, but is now fermenting well. Even though it currently looks like shit, I have high hopes for it.

The summer IPA is getting a 50g dry hopping of Nelson Sauvin tomorrow and will get bottled on Monday. That should be a lovely beer too, it certainly smells amazing right now.


 
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