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I would like to increase my fermented food intake for possible benefits in mood /energy etc . It is seemingly becoming a source of great interest in the medical community with the gut brain axis being far more important than we previously realized .
The list of fermented foods commonly presented , contain many that don't appeal to me personally, but I could eat plenty of Yoghurt regularly ,and am thinking of going down that path ..perhaps buying a Yoghurt maker and making custom mixes ...but I'm unsure of which bacterial strains would be best to try and whether mixing lots together would be optimal or less effective . Another way I imagine would be to simply buy some of the best off the shelf probiotic yoghurts then use them to "grow my own".
You may think just google this info but it's rather confusing....and definitive or best approach answers are difficult to find . Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with this subject ..any advice would be much appreciated .
I also recently heard/read about NAD+ which many people are claiming is helping chronic fatigue etc . I have had a continuous series of episodes of a mystery cluster of symptoms including fatigue since covid began . I'm not aware of having had covid and have not experienced any respiratory issues whatsoever , not even a cough or sore throat ..since that time , so I'm presuming it's not ""long covid. Blood tests showed nothing and it's getting me down . For the first time in several decades I haven't ridden my bike for over 2 months.
Having minimal income I just ordered the next best thing to NAD+ injections which seem to be fairly high dose vitamin B3 so we'll see how that goes .
Again if anyone has knowledge or experience of this subject any input would be helpful.
thanks in advance
Bill
I have had a continuous series of episodes of a mystery cluster of symptoms including fatigue since covid began . I’m not aware of having had covid and have not experienced any respiratory issues whatsoever
do you take vit d and were you levels tested?
I suffered from fatigue symptoms for decades. I turns out I was severely vit d deficient. Active folk actually need more vit d than sedentary folk
Saw an interesting interview recently about the importance of gut microbiome
I've had chronic fatigue for 6 years now. i've tried a LOT of things to help it and spent lots on supplements
interestingly at 44 i was diagnosed with celiac disease about 2 months ago. Despite never having any gut issues and eating gluten my whole life. I'm hoping this will help with my fatigue. Worth getting blood tests to confirm anything.
I have tried NAD and found it didn't have any notiable difference to fatigue. It does help with hangovers though if taken the day before. It increases production of glutathione
magnesium definately helps. I had some private tests done and found my ATP process was crap and magnsium is essentially for ATP production.
Fermented fish looks interesting ;o) Google "Surströmming" I know people who enjoy eating this stuff, I'd rather die of starvation :o)
I think this is a really hard subject to navigate in any depth as the body is very complicated and it's unlikely to be single cause.
TJs comment about vit D are probably worth consideration. From memory it is the only supplement with conclusive benefits? A significant number of people are deficient.
I'd question how much of the bacteria reaches your gut alive. It's evolved to protect you. It's worth looking at things that will feed a healthy cut biome - pre biotics.
Lots of fermented things to try. Kefir, kombucha are two that I've eaten in the past.
Got this bookmarked to read. Aware it is essentially trying to sell a product but is also referenced.
https://news.nutrilink.co.uk/2022/08/31/a-novel-bacterial-answer-to-many-inflammatory-conditions/
Spooky how these subjects come around. Just watching a (different from above) interview with Tim Spector. It's interesting stuff.
My dad makes fermented things and has settled on kombucha because it doesn’t create a load of waste product. Yoghurt and keffir are more practical if you have access to an endless supply of free milk, but otherwise it takes a lot of milk to create not very much.
Just to lob in an anecdotal example that proves nothing, after reading about biomes and stuff, I haven't used shampoo or shower gel for just over a year. I shower daily and have a bath brush that I use for pits'n'bits, and still use a bit of roll on deodorant, and if I was stinky MrsIHN would definitely have let me know by now.
Anyway, in that time, I've not had a sniffle, cough, cold or anything. Even through the last few months when everyone seems to have had something, and being a Scout leader so hanging around with twenty-odd germ bombs every week.
So, as I say, pure anecdote, but, well, there you go.
I haven't a clue about the bacteria and stuff, but for making yoghurt I do recommend the ninja foodie, not just for yogurt but for a million other things as well.
I just takes a bottle of milk and a couple of spoons of live yoghurt to get you going.
Skip yoghurt and go straight to milk Kefir - much great quantity and diversity of microorganisms and possibly quicker and a bit less faff than yoghurt making too (just plonk grains in milk at room temp and change every 24hrs or put in fridge to pause). You can order grain online, ebay is good. I would offer to send you some but they slow down a lot in winter (well they do in my cold house anyway) so don't have any spare currently.
Just to lob in an anecdotal example that proves nothing, after reading about biomes and stuff, I haven’t used shampoo or shower gel for just over a year. I shower daily and have a bath brush that I use for pits’n’bits, and still use a bit of roll on deodorant, and if I was stinky MrsIHN would definitely have let me know by now.
Anyway, in that time, I’ve not had a sniffle, cough, cold or anything. Even through the last few months when everyone seems to have had something, and being a Scout leader so hanging around with twenty-odd germ bombs every week.
This is my experience also. Not used shampoo in years. Not had covid (no symptoms at least) nor have I had a cold for as long as I can remember, certainly not since covid first hit. Make of that what you will...
Will also say that you need a decent diet as well probiotics. That means a variety of plants and minimal refined sugar and white flour. Organic if possible.
Fermented fish looks interesting ;o) Google “Surströmming” I know people who enjoy eating this stuff,
No, i can confirm that you don't know *anyone* who actually likes eating it.
Just a small handful of bro's (or brö's probably) who pretend to like it .And when they do have it, they insert about 5 grams into a rolled flat bread with a quarter of a kilo of other stuff in it to mask the taste...
Just a small handful of bro’s (or brö’s probably) who pretend to like it .And when they do have it, they insert about 5 grams into a rolled flat bread with a quarter of a kilo of other stuff in it to mask the taste…
There are some gross but very funny videos online of people trying it. Big gob fulls straight from the tin. Lagered up blokes usually. The results are predicable....🤢
There's a great Michael Moseley 'just one thing' podcast on BBC sounds about fermented foods and gut biome. I have started drinking kefir everyday after listening to it. Shop bought for now, but I plan to make my own. I've also made sauerkraut which is a doddle to do and tastes great.
Making yoghurt is fairly easy. Either buy drier bacteria cultures from Lakeland or a health food shop or use a bit of love plain yoghurt. Plain Yeo valley is probably the easiest to find and although a premium plain yoghurt isn't mega bucks. You keep some of the last batch to make the next. In theory thos can go on forever but in practice most people need to buy a new pot of yoghurt every few goes.
Other than that just need a pan, a flask and a fridge.
Instructions here:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/18/how-to-make-yoghurt-make-your-own
The latest Stories of our Times podcast on BBC Sounds is also on this subject, very interesting.
You won’t get a healthy microbiome by just eating fermented food. While fermented foods appear to help, the key thing is to eat a wide variety of minimally processed plant foods, many of which should contain plenty of fibre. Tim Spector says to aim for 30 different ones a month.
Tim Spector, as mentioned in earlier posts, has several books on this subject and plenty of videos. In particular his Zoe podcasts are available on Spotify and go into the link between microbiome and various health issues in a lot of detail.
Kefir and sauerkraut are the easiest and tastiest in my opinion. Needs to be homemade for the greatest variety of strains as the shop stuff only has a few strains. Kefir is dead easy and certainly doesn't leave any waste or require loads of milk as someone suggested above. It's similar to yogurt in that all the milk becomes kefir and you only need to drink a small amount each day. As others say need to combine that with a really healthy diet. Avoid ultra processed food and drinks.
Tim Spector’s books are well worth reading. We make our own Sauerkraut at home, which is delicious: red cabbage, carrot, cumin seeds and 2% salt - mash it all together in a big bowl with your hands until there’s plenty of juice, then put into a jar with some way the gas can escape (we have a silicone “nipple” that works a bit like a Camelbak bite valve). Leave for a few weeks and when it tastes nice and acidic put in the fridge where it’ll last for weeks unless you eat it first. Great accompaniment to sausages, burgers, etc.