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I forgot kimbers and wwpaddler, great help guys.
He's waiting at home for his test results, secretly hoping it is positive..
Can we have some sources (like real actual credible sources and not some link to an article by The Mysterious Truther about someone’s cousin’s ex they found on Facebook) to anyone being arrested in the UK after signing up to a DNA ancestry type thing as well please.
I think because we have a national police DNA database that records the DNA of arrested people, there is less need for this in the UK. That and GDPR issues.
This link provides a discussion of the issues, with the conclusions that
Familial searching in the UK has been used since 2003 in serious crimes where there is a DNA STR profile attributable to an offender, but the offender’s DNA profile is not in the National DNA Database (NDNAD). The technique ranks the genetic likelihood of a familial relationship between the crime scene STR profile and individuals on the NDNAD.
WHen looking at commercial DNA sites such as ancestry.com etc:
Genetic genealogy should only be used as a policing tool if it can be shown to be based on clear evidence, verified by an independent body, and that the established methods already in use for these law enforcement purposes are no longer adequate or effective. Otherwise, the use of any such novel processes would not meet the tests of necessity and proportionality. This would make the legality of using such novel processes highly suspect.
The legality of using informed consent as the sole appropriate legal basis to obtain the above highly sensitive data is doubtful, in line with the Data Protection Act 2018 (Part 3), the EU Law Enforcement Directive, and well-established Article 8 ECHR case law.
If it could be shown that the use of genetic genealogy was clearly needed in light of evidence that current processes were no longer adequate, a binding legal framework would have to be enacted that explicitly permits the collection and use of such genetic data, accompanied by relevant legal safeguards.
Just explain to him that under the capitalist system it's desirable to have a certain amount of unemployed people. And you are fine that he's selflessly choosing to be one of them.
Give him a wee pat on the back for doing his civic duty. 😆
They’re cheap and quick (the result comes up in about a minute but you’re supposed to wait 30minutes to be sure). I take one every week plus every time I attend certain sites.
stop reading them at 1 minute - start reading them at 30. A positive test will not appear until very close to 30 minutes unless you have a scary amount of virus in your nose. This type of error is why they are only designed for use by professionals and DHSC have skated a very dodgy line giving them out to almost anyone. (Set a timer on your phone for 30 mins - if you come back to it an hour later a negative test can look like a weak positive).
*applause*
On the vaccines thing:
Yes, there is limited evidence that in rare cases vaccines can be harmful. This is what the anti-vax brigade seize with both hands going "see? SEE?!" But there are two things they conveniently overlook:
1) Even given that there is a risk, the benefits far outweigh it and the risk of consequences from not having it are far greater. How many polio cases have you heard of recently?
2) Everything carries a risk. Go read the leaflet listing possible side-effects inside a box of paracetamol, it's terrifying. People have died from anaphylactic shock after eating a peanut (where are all the anti-legumers?). I have a friend who is violently allergic to zinc. Shit happens, someone can have a bad reaction to anything. But that doesn't make these things inherently bad.
Oh I am big into debunking antivaxx, I have reams of stuff on this.
What I did not know is the Andrew wakefield is now shagging Elle McPherson.
eg VAERS, the problem with it is that the antivaxx crowd do not understand causality and Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Has he never had a blood test done? For anything, at any point in his life? If he has, then he has nothing to lose. If the dark powers wanted to know about his DNA....
... they can get it from the sewer as it leaves his house
I take one every week plus every time I attend certain sites.
And here's the biggest debunk the OP needs. If the point of C19 testing is harvest everyone's DNA (even though there's plenty of ways to do that without you even knowing) why go the trouble of doing it more than once for anyone? And why use a method that's not even accessible to most - that sounds like a very wasteful, uneven and unreliable way of gathering all that precious precious DNA data. I've had at least two tests a week since September because I work in the movies and the financiers are both massively risk averse and also cash rich. My sister in law is one of the Covid volunteers who retuned as a front line worker in the NHS - never had a test. Most of the people I know have never had one and many of them probably never will. If the dark powers want to harvest DNA this way then what they'll mostly get a very high proportion DNA of namby pamby ****ers who work in 'media' like me and TINAS (or as we'll soon be known 'The Master Race') and not much from anyone else.
What I did not know is the Andrew wakefield is now shagging Elle McPherson.
She's been injected with something she shouldn't have?
She’s been injected with something she shouldn’t have?
Ha yes, or some kind of sedative?
Sooooo this has happened and my relative now is baying for blood. Bollocks.
Covid tester selling your DNA.
You subscribe to the Telegraph? I can understand why they are upset 🙂
And is baying for blood better or worse than paying for swabs?
I suspect that they will get a big fine if they have sold any data.
Explicit consent means exactly that, it has to be clear and understandable.
For a trial a patient will normally sit with a doctor or trial nurse and go through the whole form before they can consider to be informed.
Hiding it in a privacy Notice should get them a massive kicking as it breaches a number of regulations. I need to see if this would fall under gcp as it is real world evidence but it likely would breach privacy as seems to be being investigated
That article is a) troubling if true but b) vague as shit.
Note: I am not a subscriber, I heard it on the radio and via annoyed relative so googled.
I can't find anything else, but I have actually used this company so I am double annoyed.
5plusn8 - if you have used cignpost then I suggest you ask them (a) for all the data they hold on you (Subject Access Record under the 2018 DPA is now free); (b) advise them that any consent you may have given them to use any of your data is now withdrawn [consent must be withdrawable at any time - there's no way they'll have the mechanisms in place to do this easily and will cause them a heap of pain, with them probably redefining their lawful basis for processing and digging them a huge hole with the ICO].
I suspect they've not actually sold or passed on the samples yet - and will avoid a fine by telling the ICO it was just a misunderstanding and of course they wouldn't do that!
As for your angry relative - at the start of the thread he was refusing to even do his own antigen test, and now he's used cignpost who are only doing paid traveller testing, and he was worried enough to risk his job 9 months ago but not worried enough to actually read the privacy notice / T&Cs the commercial company gave him? However, the fact this is a news story and the ICO are investigating is exactly why he needn't be too concerned. If it was quietly happening with no fuss it would be way more alarming.
The story was more widely reported than the telegraph when it broke a few weeks ago.
I don't actually think he has used Cignpost, it just doesn't help when people don't trust any of it in the first palce...
On the vaccines thing:
Yes, there is limited evidence that in rare cases vaccines can be harmful.
Yes, in the case of the AZ vaccine, predominately in women between 55 and 60, there have been 72 cases in the U.K. AFAIK.
I’m convinced that’s what happened to Joey, my late g/f - the consultant at Southmead Hospital couldn’t understand why she’d suffered a cerebral venus thrombosis when she had an abnormally low blood platelet level. It was only a month later that low blood platelet levels were a symptom, but if identified in time there was a treatment readily available. Sadly, the signs were masked by Joey having pre-existing conditions that produced the same or very similar symptoms, like headaches, migraines, and mild seizures, as a result of a sub-arachnoid haemorrhage thirteen yeas ago.
For a younger male, the chances are highly unlikely, and since the signs have become known, I don’t think there have been any further cases.
I missed this thread when it originally appeared.
Did he lose his job in the end op?
Quick.... Back to searching Elle MacPherson anal.