[Closed] Hitting someone who takes the Mick out of your wife's illness

Will it help the situation?

What would it achieve that a public calling out of ****tery wouldn't?

For context: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-60896964

Violence won't stop someone being an ignorant pillock.

Back to when is something done for comedic effect and when is something just plain insulting. See the Jimmy Carr controversy.

I’m not condoning it, but don’t underestimate, the pressure of being in a stressful situation, then hearing someone take the piss out of someone you love and their medical condition and battle to deal with it. How many of us would possibly fly off the handle in such a situation? We may say we wouldn’t but the reality may be quite different.

There are certain situations that are thoroughly deserving of giving someone a slap

That was one of them IMHO.

I've seen a lot of people saying Will lost the plot.

He reacted with human emotion.

Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do, but I think he'll get a lot of empathy over it, even if people don't say it aloud.

There are certain situations that are thoroughly deserving of giving someone a slap

What, because he's Chris Rock? I agree. I'd cheerfully punch him in the face for no reason whatsoever.

I understand him hitting him, fine, everyone has emotions but for the rest of us there are consequences to these actions.

I dont understand why he wasnt then removed from the premises and was still allowed to to take to the stage, take his oscar, the glory and the limelight.

The Oscars have basically said that they think violence is ok and that if someone says something you dont like its ok to hit them.

You mean that wasn’t scripted…

I think it was staged.

He was sitting in just the right spot and if he was really that angry, why did he only slap him?

It all over the news and social media.

If it was real then he would be will be speaking to his lawyers. No legal action then it's fake.

I like how he decided to hit someone he was pretty sure wasn't going to hit him back.

That's the real test of manliness.

He should have hit him harder.

Violence is never the right thing to do.
He should have used his moment on stage to have said how disgusted he was of the comments made by Chris Rock.

He should have hit him harder.

If it was The Rock and not Chris Rock he would have had to.

Of course, he wouldn't have gone anywhere near The Rock.

Well he's got into a fight, did his mom get scared and will she send him to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air?

I like how he decided to hit someone he was pretty sure wasn’t going to hit him back.

And how exactly was he 'pretty sure' of that then?

Surely in giving anyone, whoever it is, a slap then you're fully aware you're going to get a reaction. You'd have to be an idiot not too

Staged.

I think it was staged.

My thoughts too, Rock seems to position himself ready for it. Also, even if not pressing charges, would the Police not have to get involved anyway?

And how exactly was he ‘pretty sure’ of that then?

Surely in giving anyone, whoever it is, a slap then you’re fully aware you’re going to get a reaction. You’d have to be an idiot not too

Chris Rock doesn't get paid based on how much of a Hollywood Alpha Male the world perceives him to be. Other stars do.

He attacked someone who had no interest in punching him right back in the face and even if he did, Smith probably fancied his chances.

Hit someone who is more likely to punch you back and you'll come across as less pathetic.

Wasn't Will Smith suggesting a couple of days ago that the hardest part of the oscars is getting people to watch it?

Well he’s got into a fight, did his mom get scared and will she send him to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air?

Bravo.

Of course, he wouldn’t have gone anywhere near The Rock.

The Rock wouldn't have made such a shitty joke in the first place though. He's a gent.

Staged.

The BBC report points out that Smith also dropped an F-bomb, which is a massive no-no in the Oscars live show, so it was probably not staged.

And it mentions Rock's previous gag about her, which was still a bit mean but was actually funny.

Theres a bit of me that says that the golden globes has become a giant roast and Chris Rock wanted some of that attention, and also Will Smith cirtainly can't be in a good head space at the moment to assault someone live on TV in front of the world.

Both did the wrong thing at the wrong time....

Well he’s got into a fight, did his mom get scared and will she send him to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air?

But I did lol at that 👆

interesting to have some entertainment news that is distracting from how f'd the real world is - first time in weeks a non Ukraine story is In the top news stories. Not sure if that's good or bad.

even if not pressing charges, would the Police not have to get involved anyway?

But it's Hollywood, we all know that you have to "press charges" if you want the police to do things.

😀

Don’t mess with the boy from west Philly.

chakaping
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The BBC report points out that Smith also dropped an F-bomb, which is a massive no-no in the Oscars live show, so it was probably not staged.

conveniently, the audio had already been muted by that point

Someone else interviewed at an after party pointed out that three people had lost in that "fight" - Rock, Smith and Smiths wife.

Not convinced it was staged - MrsMC is disabled and I've lost it a couple of times when people have used it against her, or even made more general comments about her condition. A couple of times on here.

Hit someone who is more likely to punch you back

What would be the point of that?

conveniently, the audio had already been muted by that point

I've seen the full lcip - he says "get my wife's name out of your F ing mouth" twice..

Hmm..i think real..

DrP

Someone else interviewed at an after party pointed out that three people had lost in that “fight” – Rock, Smith and Smiths wife.

I don't think it will do Smith or his wife any harm at all.

What would be the point of that?

In an ideal world you wouldn't hit anyone.

However, if you're going to hit someone, make sure it's someone who won't just sit back and take it.

That makes you a bully and a scumbag.

What, because he’s Chris Rock? I agree. I’d cheerfully punch him in the face for no reason whatsoever.

+1

A very punchable face.

Theres a bit of me that says that the golden globes has become a giant roast and Chris Rock wanted some of that attention,

Probably didn't even write the 'joke'.

But yeah, turning awards ceremonies into comedy roasts is a slightly risky move. I guess they are getting talked about, which is what they wanted.

However, if you’re going to hit someone, make sure it’s someone who won’t just sit back and take it.

So by your logic anyone smaller than you is free to insult your wife, anyone bigger, not so?

Righto...

Should have walked out with his Mrs, would have been a stronger thing to do.

But do understand the emotion.

I think if they're smaller, but like, hard as nails, for example Begbie or Jackie Chan, that's allowed.

But what if they're bigger, but in a non-threatening way, like John Candy or Stephen Merchant?

It's so confusing.

No excuse for hitting someone, it makes me suspect that he has a temper that other people have felt.
He could have made a much more powerful message.

It was weird, Chris Rock did it in a lighthearted way, this wasn't a Frankie Boyle or Jimmy Carr style joke.

I do get the feeling a lot of people aren't in love with the Smith family, they're always having their polyamorous marriage and kids front and centre on the TV, i just think Will Smith is just a bit of an arse, that acceptance speech shows him thinking about the consequences and going into Will Smith mode.

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So by your logic anyone smaller than you is free to insult your wife, anyone bigger, not so?

Righto…

Yes, it's one of the drawbacks of being big. It's a tough life.

Although I wouldn't say people are free to insult your wife. You do realise hitting people isn't your only option?

You can use your words and if you're really good at it the person who insulted your wife will get so upset they'll take a swing at you and then you can smack them to your hearts content.

Understandable and acceptable are two different things. Unfortunately by doing nothing about it, the Academy is tacitly saying it's acceptable.

I think if they’re smaller, but like, hard as nails, for example Begbie or Jackie Chan, that’s allowed.

I was actually thinking the same myself after I'd typed it. I'm thinking of a mad Glaswegian I used to work with who was about 5'2" and about 7 stone, dripping wet through in a donkey jacket, but was an absolute psychopath

The joke was out of line but Will Smith was much, much further out of line. He should have been booted from the premises.

But yeah, turning awards ceremonies into comedy roasts is a slightly risky move. I guess they are getting talked about, which is what they wanted.

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So when he was irrational with rage he was also weighing up if rock would fight back?

I'm not sure how 'seeing red' works but I would have thought that considering the consequences isn't part of the process.

I think if they’re smaller, but like, hard as nails, for example Begbie or Jackie Chan, that’s allowed.

But what if they’re bigger, but in a non-threatening way, like John Candy or Stephen Merchant?

It’s so confusing.

If they punch you back then you're good.

If they don't then you're a bully and a scumbag. If you're going to attack someone make sure you pick your victim carefully.

Or just don't attack people.

Should have walked out with his Mrs, would have been a stronger thing to do.

I think you're right there.

Full clip here. WS looks a lot angrier after he's slapped him to be fair.

I think if they’re smaller, but like, hard as nails, for example Begbie or Jackie Chan, that’s allowed.

But what if they’re bigger, but in a non-threatening way, like John Candy or Stephen Merchant?

It’s so confusing.

It's OK, just post on this thread and Bruce will let you know if your plans are likely to breach his code of manliness.

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So when he was irrational with rage he was also weighing up if rock would fight back?

I’m not sure how ‘seeing red’ works but I would have thought that considering the consequences isn’t part of the process.

If you think that was rage or being out of control, you've been in very different fights to me.

I don't know TBH, could be staged wasn't done well if it was though.

Chris Rock went past a "good taste boundary" the sort of joke that might be ok* from very close friends or family depending on circumstances, but he's not, and it's televised...

*(But probably wouldn't be really, we've probably all got an Oaf in the family)

Dunno what happened next, but for fullest effect, Smith should have left, taking your seat again after you've lamped someone and are pissed off, probably isn't that normal in most situations, unless you know you've got an award coming.

I think it's the fault of Ricky Gervais actually, he's spent the last few years "causing offence" with his Oscars blather and I think they believe they need to carry on in the same vein... Not that I watch it, does anyone? Millionaires giving each other awards for their successful business ventures? That's the kind of thing I would actively avoid from any other trade or profession...

Seems staged to me.

My initial reaction was I though Rock would come out of this better off, just standing there and taking it and not reacting. But now I wonder if a lot of people will just think what Smith did is bad, but understandable. Whereas what Rock did was just in poor taste and, inexcusably, not actually funny.

Whatever, just manufactured rich people dramas on the other side of the planet.

Here's a recent picture, am I safe?

The perfect solution would be for the Academy to retrospectively cancel Smith's award, either giving it to the runner-up or just leaving that year blank (a la Lance).

He may have had some justification for his actions, but he's still an annoying ****.

Could have just walked on to the stage and said it wasn't acceptable to make fun of his wife and got him to apologise. Would have made CR look stupid.

Now its about WS giving the apology.

I didnt even know it was Oscar night. Does anyone care about them these days anyhow?

No one seems to have mentioned that Will Smith was laughing at the joke before he decided he wasn't going to laugh at it.

This is also a man who is apparently happy for his wife to have multiple affairs.

It's very weird.

If you think that was rage or being out of control, you’ve been in very different fights to me.

Kebab house? 3am?

"Leave it Bruce! Eees not worf it?"

It’s OK, just post on this thread and Bruce will let you know if your plans are likely to breach his code of manliness.

Sure, let's focus on me rather than the fact that a significant number of people seem to think Smith's actions were somehow justified.

There is no situation where attacking someone is OK.

And yes, if it had ended up with Smith and Rock rolling around on the ground having a slap fight that would have been an outcome I could have gotten behind.

I didn't think the "joke" was anywhere near to warranting the reaction, wasn't funny either, but really it was a nothing comment that should have just been brushed off. IMO Smith comes out of this looking much worse than Chris Rock.

OK. So there's a bird onstage and she makes the joke. Will Smith gets up there and tw4ts her.

You bunch of sexist idiots. Of course it's not acceptable. Especially so "just" because it's a man.

Men are 24 times more likely to be a victim of physical assault than women. Twenty four times. And not because they were asking for it or involved in an argument beforehand.

Shame on those not condemning (not just "not condoning") for lacking basic enlightenment. If you're not condemning violence, you're in some way justifying it. And you're dead wrong.

It was a completely bonkers situation.
I don't really know the background to Jada Pinkett-Smith's illness but on the face of it, it seemed like a relatively light-hearted joke. On R4 the reporter was saying that Will Smith was actually laughing at it until he turned to his Wife & saw that she wasn't happy; which if true makes him a bit of a hypocrite to then go & whack Chris Rock in the face.

While I get that emotion can get the better of you, that's a pretty ballsy thing to do - literally get up on the stage in front of your peers & all the TV cameras & whack someone.
And as mentioned above - yeah, maybe the joke was in poor taste, but assaulting someone & then repeatedly swearing at them kinda loses you the moral high ground.
It's like a Hollywood high-brow version of "Oi, you spilt your pint on my bird"

And then he just sits back down & it all carries on - he still goes up to receive his award, talks about God, family & mad King Richard......and it's almost like he didn't just get up & assault someone. Rightly or wrongly standing up for his wife he still should have been kicked out of the ceremony, in my opinion.
He could have addressed the inappropriateness of that joke in his speech although it perhaps wouldn't have had quite the impact (ha ha) his alternative solution did, although he would probably have been seen as the 'bigger man'.

PS - it would have been much better if Jada had done it herself.

Kebab house? 3am?

“Leave it Bruce! Eees not worf it?”

That would never be you, would it binners? You'd be the guy jumping up and down with excitement going, 'Get him, hit him!!!'

Maybe you'd risk a quick kick in the ribs if you felt there was no danger to yourself but that would be it, wouldn't it?

Or, at least, that's the impression I'm getting of you from your enthusiasm for Smith's actions.

Some perspective might be in order here, eh?

He lost his rag and gave him a bit of a slap because he insulted his wife.

We're hardly talking GBH here, are we?

Could you give us a full run down of Bruces Rules of Masculinity? They appear to be a bit contradictory...

For God's sake Martin, buy that child a hat that fits.

Have we ever had an Oscars thread on here before?
I am going for staged and it's worked quite well.

As someone who doesn't follow celebrity news I didn't understand the joke and had to have it explained.

It turns out that apparently Smith's wife had previously talked about her non-life threatening condition in a very light-hearted manner.

The one thing I have picked up from the Oscars over the years is how difficult it is for many actors to suppress their emotions and put on an act when accepting an award. Which is strange as they are supposed to be the very best in business.

mad King Richard

Amazingly, the film is actually about the Williams sisters' dad, not the actual King Richard!

Never been in a fight thankfully. Being a big wuss has its advantages.

BTW - not that it makes any difference - Will Smith laughed at the joke - he thought it was funny, until he saw his wife.

He's fun to watch on screen, but lets face it, him and his scientology-loving family should get back in the pond.

(Edit: I doubt it was staged btw. I know the oscars are desparate for post-covid relevance but it'd be a hateful move to stage it. Add to that that Mr Smith has just handed white supremacists in the US a giant pile of ammo about how "black people" behave in the face of jokes, even if they're filthy rich and very privileged. You can see ramifications all over the place because of this. It's why footballers are given such grief about leading by example).

For God’s sake Martin, buy that child a hat that fits.

Not my child, fortunately, but if it were, that's fighting talk!

him and his scientology-loving family should get back in the pond.

He's going to have to drop a few hundred thousand on auditing after this one. He seems to have a significant body thetan issue.

Some perspective might be in order here, eh?

He lost his rag and gave him a bit of a slap because he insulted his wife.

We’re hardly talking GBH here, are we?

As normally happens, someone else made my point better than I did.

As @chevychase said, would you be saying the same thing if he went up and slapped Rebel Wilson?

Maybe you should give us a rundown of your rules of masculinity and who it's OK to assault?

Could you give us a full run down of Bruces Rules of Masculinity? They appear to be a bit contradictory…

It's pretty simple really. Don't assault anyone.

We’re hardly talking GBH here, are we?

No, but we are talking assault.

Well its about as far from a 3am scuffle in the kebab shop as you are likely to see.

On R4 the reporter was saying that Will Smith was actually laughing at it until he turned to his Wife & saw that she wasn’t happy; which if true makes him a bit of a hypocrite to then go & whack Chris Rock in the face.

He's definitely smiling until he spots his wife looking pretty distressed.

The audiences reaction is really strange, Will Smith sitting back down and swearing at Chris Rock seems to get a much bigger reaction than him walking on stage and smacking him in the mouth. But hey its America so violence is okay as long as you don't have a potty mouth.

I wasn't actually aware of the context of the joke until I read this thread. I'd assumed it was a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith not being nominated for any awards. If the joke is about her disability and the films she can't play in then its in very poor taste.

@Binners:
"We’re hardly talking GBH here, are we?"

No - we're talking common assault.

However, if it's OK to slap humans when you're having a hissy fit then maybe Sean Connery should have been given a bit more leeway eh? Someone should send a memo out.

It's never ok to hit someone who pisses you off. I learned this as a child, how come Smith hasn't?

I’d assumed it was a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith not being nominated for any awards.

Rock made that 'joke' at a previous oscars.

Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties — I wasn't invited."

I think it’s the fault of Ricky Gervais actually, he’s spent the last few years “causing offence” with his Oscars blather and I think they believe they need to carry on in the same vein…

I am not a RG fan but the way he does it is perfection. Maximum insults but judged perfectly - doesn’t cross any lines. There’s a skill to it and I don’t think CR is that sort of comedian. Maybe if RG had said the same thing it may not have cause as much offence as it would be expected, but that’s not what you’d expect from someone else?

Comedy is always very finely balanced, and the best comedians practice a lot on smaller audiences and know when and where to deliver specific material. Sometimes it goes wrong and you misjudge things. I don’t think I’d be trying out any edgy roasts at the Oscars though, that seems prettt obvious.