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I don't see this knocking the Jeremy Corbyn thread off its perch, but fings seem to be getting interesting t'other side of the pond.
With Clinton now being diagnosed with Pnuemonia, there is the serious possibility of her dropping out of the Presidential race! Which, one would assume, immediately puts Trump in pole position. 😯
However, if either Sanders or Biden replace her, would they be more popular than Clinton, whose been subject to all sorts of questions....and out of nowhere become the next President?
I don't think pneumonia would see her drop out, recovery should be about a week or so.
Trump has lucked out though, he has spouted his inane shit about her not being healthy enough to be president, and a coincidence has fallen into his lap.
She sounds very unpopular in the States.
My conspiracy theory is that it is actually planned, and is a way of changing candidate before its too late.
In reality when is it too late? She isn't going to get over Pnuemonia within a couple of weeks....
I dont either of them wants the job, plan c needed.
She isn't going to get over Pnuemonia within a couple of weeks....
Has she got a different kind of pneumonia to the one everyone else gets?
MSPTrump has lucked out though, he has spouted his inane shit about her not being healthy enough to be president, and a coincidence has fallen into his lap.
No, he actually has a point. I can't remember the specifics but Hilary has some potentially serious health issues (which she denies). She had some severe head trauma and now suffers black outs/loss of consciousness and she apparently exhibits various signs of dementia/cte/Alzheimers etc depending on who you listen to.
Of course her opponents will spin things to make them sound as dire as possible but there is some truth about her being compromised.
Which is the one everyone else gets? If you are very lucky you take antibiotics for a week and you gradually get back to stuff over a few weeks.
If you are approaching 70 it can kill you.
Sanders was polling better than Clinton against Trump a year ago
maybe itll all work out in the end 🙂
but right now its a gift for Trump, which is very worry as his latest foreign policy idea is to steal all the Middle Easts oil
why does it have to always be a battle between millionaire oldies for president
why not zuckerberg, musk or [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_Burns ]Ursula Burns[/url]
If you are approaching 70 it can kill you.
HC is 68.
Weird times!
However, if either Sanders or Biden replace her, would they be more popular than Clinton
Joe Biden is the Vice-President, Tim Kaine is HC's running partner. Not sure who would take over as the Democratic candidate, I don't think the situation has ever happened before!
She isn't going to get over Pnuemonia within a couple of weeks...
Thats what I thought....can be VERY serious for older people and difficult to shake off.
Trump was ill in August and cancelled several events but hes captain bluster and bullshit so no ones bothered
In June 2011 I was diagnosed with pneumonia and was off work for 5 weeks. I went back far too soon. I should have gone off sick again but what I did do was work all day come home and get straight into bed, plus stay in bed every weekend. This went on for an additional month after I went back to work. I was 38 at the time and fit as a flee. I understand that i recovered quickly and that for some it can take many months to be 100% again.
I can't see how she'll be able to continue or campaign properly, not at her age.
Her memory lapses may eventually be the only excuse left that's keeping her out of jail.
why does it have to always be a battle between millionaire oldies for president
If HC wins she would be the oldest US president ever to serve a first term. Trump, at 70, would of course be even older! 😉
Also, not sure if having a millionaire youngie would be any better! 😉
Trump was ill in August and cancelled several events but hes captain bluster and bullshit so no ones bothered
Very interesting article in this week's Economist about this very phenomenon:
Her memory lapses may eventually be the only excuse left that's keeping her out of jail.
I keep reading this,that she's corrupt and a wronger,but what are the big charges against her really?
Is it all about the emails and making up stories about being shot at in a war zone,or is there much,much more?
[url= http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/opinion/why-is-clinton-disliked.html?_r=0 ]Why is Clinton disliked?[/url]
Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams had been predicting this happening for the past year.
[url= http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150284922631/checking-my-predictions-about-clintons-health ]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150284922631/checking-my-predictions-about-clintons-health[/url]
Here's his take on it yesterday. I think he might have a point.
[url= http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over ]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over[/url]
shakers97 - MemberIn June 2011 I was diagnosed with pneumonia and was off work for 5 weeks. I went back far too soon. I should have gone off sick again but what I did do was work all day come home and get straight into bed, plus stay in bed every weekend. This went on for an additional month after I went back to work. I was 38 at the time and fit as a flee. I understand that i recovered quickly and that for some it can take many months to be 100% again.
I can't see how she'll be able to continue or campaign properly, not at her age.
Conversely I was in Hospital with it last Sept, I was feeling fine a week later, and back to usual levels of awesomeness a week after that. Was truly shit whilst I had it though. The way they run their campaigns in the US sound like the perfect recipe for Pneumonia to me, long days, long weeks, for months on end without any real rest periods. Having to fight on two fronts can't have helped matters for her.
Seems odd to me both candidates are older than the norm. It's a job that ages people, Obama has seemed to age 20 years in 10 and he was 45 when he took the job. They're both trying to wade into a minimum 5 year term role at an age most people are retiring.
[quote=jimjam ]No, he actually has a point.
Well it had to happen eventually
I can't remember the specifics but Hilary has some potentially serious health issues (which she denies).
Some people have [b]speculated[/b] that she has serious health issues. If you can't remember the specifics, it's very misleading to write that "she has potentially serious health issues", or perhaps you meant that she "potentially has serious health issues", which is a fundamentally different statement.
I wasn't aware of the health speculation, and just read a Washington Times article about the subject:
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/11/hillary-clintons-health-scare-pneumonia-diagnosis-/
It sounds like some "media doctors" have been diagnosing her from video footage, which isn't the most convincing evidence. I hope she is healthy enough to carry on campaigning, although the simple suspicion of ill health is a gift to Trump at this stage. All the more important to talk facts, not innuendo.
Thats what I thought....can be VERY serious for older people and difficult to shake off.
This. My dad died of pneumonia at 69.
Trump's campaign have ben claiming that HC has serious health issues for months. It is, as are most things Trump says, a complete fabrication, a bit like his claim that Obama started IS. But that doesn't seem to stop it gaining traction and eventually being believed by surprisingly large numbers of people. Crazy!
http://www.economist.com/node/21706868
kcrSome people have speculated that she has serious health issues. If you can't remember the specifics, it's very misleading to write that "she has potentially serious health issues", or perhaps you meant that she "potentially has serious health issues", which is a fundamentally different statement.
I'm not Reuters, I was operating on the assumption anyone with a passing interest could [url= http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/ ]google it[/url] if they wanted to get more detail.
Hillary Clinton is hypothyroid, it was very obvious to me that she was and suspect that she had been unmedicated for a good few years. When one is hypo one can easily recognise others that are.
She had probably been on medication that did not work, highly likely that she was given Levothyroxine which many of us do not get on with. Now taking NDT which stands for natural dessicated thyroid and comes from a pig, her health had improved considerably.
HC has been called all sorts of names for taking this product with some claiming it's quackery. Actually this is what was routinely given to thyroid patients before Levothyroxine came onto the market. I would strongly suspect that Big Pharma are behind this discrediting of her and NDT, after all when a product suits then there is no need for anti depressants, statins, PPIs etc etc.
What is not known, and this also applies to myself, is the damage that's been done to the body due to being unmedicated/incorrectly medicated. Additionally when you have one autoimmune condition you invariably end up with others.
This incident could well prove terminal for her Presidential hopes. Under oath giving evidence to the FBI over the email scandal she said she'd had a stroke and thus could not recall various significant security training on what constitutes Classified Info and also she had been on a "light work schedule"'as Secretary of State. Add all this up and it's a very significant issue. She's 68, Trump is 71 - being physically fit enough for the job is an issue
It is, as are most things Trump says, a complete fabrication
@Sherman see my statement above, her own FBI evidence is what Trump's campaign have been driving at.
@perchy, yes those Dilbert links are interesting, as a campaign tactic Trump has been exploring / probing a weakness and has in many respects hit the jacoot as their accusations (denied by HC's team) have just been shown to be "true" and the highest possible profile event, the 15th anniversary of 9/11
'Brain fog' is a common symptom of being unmedicated/incorrectly medicated, it really is debilitating.
link jamba - cos thats something I have never heard.
This health issue coupled with the supposed wikileaks release of clinton docs that could finish her campaign this week is going to be a testing time for her. Rumors abound that the higher powers of the democratic party are working on a replacement strategy..
If's she's had a stroke (I didn't know that) then the pneumonia recovery could prove more difficult.
She had a stroke??? I follow American politics and never heard that.
I think some are making mountains out of mole hills with this one, she's still beating Trump in all major polls. Unless Trump has got any more cards to play, I think his goose is cooked - unless HC keels over or something.
Pigface - thats why I asked jamba for a link - or else its just a jambafact
I am a political geek and never heard of it
Wasn't it concussion from a fall rather than a stroke?
I got it from the post above ^^^
Under oath giving evidence to the FBI over the email scandal she said she'd had a stroke
A bit of Googling...
Hillary has suffered a brain injury during a fall. She either had a stroke, causing her to fall, or the fall caused her stroke. (Doctors were unsure whether the fall was the cause or effect of the stroke.)
TJ it is more Jambabullshit 🙄 lots of republican mud slinging. She had a concussion in 2012 and that is where it seems to come from.
I thought so.
Anything else on the bit of metal (?) that seemed to fall out of her trousers?
#tinfoilhat
Anything else on the bit of metal (?) that seemed to fall out of her trousers?#tinfoilpanties
FTFY
If you don't mind tj I'll let you do your own research, focus on the email/server scandal. It's all there.
Clinton really dissapeared for a while when Secretary of State, its not hard now to draw the conclusion that it was health related. As "Dilbert" said above it doesn't really matter if it was the main factor as thats what the public will think
It really feels to me she is done, it's too close to the election now to recover credibility over her health and the email scandal is far from over - her answers of "I can't remember" now look like a failing mind and her "I don't know how to define Classified and I don't remember any training" is a disaster at the best of times
Pigface you won't apologise for being completely wrong and obnoxious so there's no point asking you too
TJ look it up and then send it over to Pigface, you can then agree between yourselves conveniently forget the issue
Jamba Link please. Its up to you to show some sort of source for a nonsensical allegation or else we simply assume its a completely spurious allegation based on a willfull misinterpretation of something like the fall.
Oh crikey. Now there's a "body double" conspiracy theory as well!
Trump's campaign have been claiming that HC has serious health issues for months. [b]It is, as are most things Trump says, a complete fabrication, [/b]a bit like his claim that Obama started IS. But that doesn't seem to stop it gaining traction and eventually being believed by surprisingly large numbers of people. Crazy!
Thats the trouble with the boy that cried wolf, no one believed him when he said something true. Trump appears to have got inside info on her health and now the truth is coming out....he's saying nothing for once! Not normal!
Nowt like a good conspiracy theory.
I really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
theres been a load of faked medical stuff leaked about Hillary
theres plenty of gullible 'mericans out there to lap it up
I believe this is the 'evidence' thats behind it
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-medical-records-leaked/
Trump and his campaign love spreading this kind of gossip
The Donald was one of the main drivers of the Obama 'Birther' conspiracies too
Oh crikey. Now there's a "body double" conspiracy theory as well!
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tjagainI really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
Saudi millions. Banking industry millions. Massive corruption. Lying....
Nowt like a good conspiracy theory.
....oh and an alarmingly high number of people who've spoken out about her/the Clinto foundation have died in mysterious circumstances.
Clinton suffered a concussion in late 2012 and admitted to the FBI during the email investigations that her memory had suffered due to the concussion and a following blood clot on the brain.
Full recordings released by the FBI last week but I've never heard the word stroke apart from in the right wing gossip papers.
tjagain - MemberNowt like a good conspiracy theory.
I really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
Like most things, there isn't a single answer.
Most likely - she's a Democrat, US polotics is even more tribal than ours - to some people 'Liberal' is an insult, and Democrat isn't far behind - the majority of Americans decided on Clinton and for that matter Trump before they uttered a word - they're just the enemy. So roughly half of them hate her by default, they fill in the details later.
She is of course the Wife of a former Democrat President, double-bad for Republicans.
Out of the non-Republicans there are other things she's done.
The 'private e-mail server' she forgot about and connections via her husband to Saudi.
Another less mentioned thing that's hurting her, but none the less is a serious problem for her with minorities in the US is that Bill Clinton passed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which was a disaster - it was huge and wide ranging and on the face of it should have been a good idea, but it was enforced terribly and the good points failed, it allowed for lots of new prisons to be built and lots of new prisoners to fill them - they were mostly young and black.
What made is worse is that as First Lady at the time she campaigned for it very vocally, calling for young black "Super Predators to be brought to heal".
It was, even by American standards a right wing policy from the supposed left of American Politics, campaigned in the very right-wing way.
Jamba prove to me where Hilary Clinton has had a stroke and I will happily apologise to you, it seems the difference between us is that you spout drivel then won't come up with the evidence to back up your words.
Calling me obnoxious is a bit harsh 😆 I am cut to the quick X
I had pneumonia as a teenager. I've never been so ill in all my life!
I would imagine she'll be out of circulation for a good few weeks. If she insists she's 'feeling great' and cracks on too soon, she'll wipe herself out.
What was it that fell on the ground next to her foot just as she got huckled into the van?
When I heard Clinton had a stroke I assumed that was old news relating to Bill's time in office.
IGMC
Is Jambaliar going to provide some evidence, or just pretend he never made those claims, like a true brexiter?
Trump put out a totally bogus statement of health from his "personal physician" who has now backtracked gently on its veracity.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/27/donald-trump-doctor-letter-health-harold-bornstein
It's a really difficult election. I want both of them to lose...
It's a really difficult election. I want both of them to lose...
I doubt you are alone there
Far from alone - it's a game of picking the least bad, and I imagine for most of us thinking that way the establishment figure with a dodgy past is preferable to the complete loon (you can decide for yourself who I'm referring to, so hopefully that will keep everybody happy 😉 )
Pig face; some stuff here - whether it was a full on stroke isn't fully revealed but its certainly well within that territory:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/hillary-clinton-hospitalized-with-blood-clot
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/12/202406.htm
What exactly are you trying to prove there, ninfan? You do realise that a blood clot isn't a stroke?
I think I edited while you were typing aracer.
Yup - that is not a stroke. Not even close.
Blood clots can cause strokes but not that type.
Should we expect a retraction from old Jamba?
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Sanders was polling better than Clinton against Trump a year agomaybe itll all work out in the end
Sanders is as bad as Trump, his economic policies would **** the developing world. So no, things won't work out if he ends up President.
HC has been called all sorts of names for taking this product with some claiming it's quackery. Actually this is what was routinely given to thyroid patients before Levothyroxine came onto the market. I would strongly suspect that Big Pharma are behind this discrediting of her and NDT, after all when a product suits then there is no need for anti depressants, statins, PPIs etc etc.
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his economic policies would **** the developing world
Which policies, which countries?
Which policies, which countries?
Any that have improved their lot due to being able to compete through freeish trade. Bernie is a hardcore protectionist.
So, the basics.
She does not have a penis, this is very troubling for a lot of Americans (mostly those that were very uncomfortable with the current presidents sun tan) there are plenty who are happy to declare that being president is a man's job.
She has baggage but in the end that comes with the jobs she has done in government.
The rest? Hard to split the fact from the tribal vitriol and the sound of the republican party imploding.
As for Saunders, he does not have the support of his party. A president needs the party to back him especially in a tight election. On the flip side Trump doesn't either. Clinton is probably the one that could lead a stable government.
Excellent work ninfan posting something to prove she has had a stroke which doesn't 😆 really great work.
Still waiting for Jamba to come up with some proof as well.
You lot would make excellent presidential candidates,
Spin, unattributable statements, conjecture, articles that have tenuous links to something...
Its all here...
No ammount of deliberating pertaining to her illness can detract from the fact that she is incaable of running for office - The facts are that increasingly so shes been suffering from a plethora of serious conditions - the mockingbird media have been making light of the reality for as long as has remained feasible - Outside of the controlled narrative however it's been reported upon from atleast as far back as 2012 that she is suffering gravely from ill health - and no I'm not providing any links - It's not my job to nurse you through your normalcy bias .
The facts are that increasingly so shes been suffering from a plethora of serious conditions - blah - and no I'm not providing any links - It's not my job to nurse you through your normalcy bias .
No but I assume your facts are solid and you have seen them? Read something factual and accurate? Or was it another Internet quack who wanted their name read out?
When most arduous jobs have a retirement age of 65, why do we have a 68 & 70y/o as presidential candidates? Quite frankly, I'd struggle to find 2 Americans less fit/suitable for office.
Have you been to the USA? I found about 20 before clearing customs in lax and some of them had guns...
Have you been to the USA?
He's probably been more often than me, so yes!
Lol well he isn't talking to the common idiot over there.
Version A (from her campaign team), she fell, she hit her head hard enough for a concussion which lead to a brain bleed which lead to memory loss
Version B she had a brain bleed, ie a stroke and thus she fell over
The same happened to a colleague of mine (B). There has been plenty of coverage around this incident and her use of the memory loss excuse with the FBI
IMO she's finished, I didn't think Trump would get the nomination at the start but he only got stronger and as I said before once you are in a 2 horse race you have a good chance and especially when your opponent falls so close to the finish it's all over.
I seem to recall one of the greatest US presidents did it from a wheelchair and fought a war whilst not entirely in good health.