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Is it possible for me to delete my account here on Singletrack?
I've had a look around and a bit of a search, but I'm struggling to find anything. Help?
Log out and don't come back to check? What do you expect to be deleted? Your post history is there until the backup fails
I believe the ability to delete your account will be coming in the new forum upgrade.
Coming 2012.
Even GDPR won’t help you, your posts are here for eternity..
And this thread will be made a sticky as a grim warning to others
Fred managed it didn't he ? Try that
Go full postal and get a lifetime ban, it’s the only way
you can log out anytime you like, but you can never leave
im not sure about STW per-se but on other forums your posts are the property of the owners and they don’t have to delete all your posts if they don’t want to.
A case under data protection would be interesting but I think your chances would be slim. You put your posts in the public domain.
Are you a driving instructor?
Do you fight people at your local zoo?
It doesn't seem to be possible, I tried before.
and then slowly came back.
the only time my account on here was deleted, was my original account, which disappeared in the great hack. So you could try one of those?
Even GDPR won’t help you, your posts are here for eternity..
I believe that social media usernames are considered to be personal data.
Edukator to the forum....
You can find it in the rules.
Have the rules been checked for compliance with GDPR?
Have the rules been checked for compliance with GDPR?
No.
I reckon the only way out is to be banned for life, & if you really want to, it can't be that hard. Just say a few choice things that loads of other people would be offended by.
Although, saying that, you can easily offend a lot of people without saying much on here.
Time machine and a contraceptive? Although that didn't work out well for Zaphod Beeblebrox the Fifth.
I believe that social media usernames are considered to be personal data.
Well he should go ask cookiemonster 1 - 25 they need consulting on that too. I do wonder what woke up such an infrequent poster 😉
WRT GDPR: I don't see how the username is not personal data argument can be universally made - a username might well be personal data if it could be used to identify an individual.
I reckon the only way out is to be banned for life,
Or by exercising your right to erasure under the GDPR. I've been grappling with this at work, and while IANAL, I don't see how STW's site rules comply, as there doesn't appear to be a legitimate reason for them to hold personal data when consent is withdrawn.
a username might well be personal data if it could be used to identify an individual.
Quite.
*taps fingers & waits patiently*
OP waiting for his account to be deleted...
https://giphy.com/gifs/once-upon-a-time-ouat-cookie-monster-gif-UxREcFThpSEqk
I don’t see how STW’s site rules comply, as there doesn’t appear to be a legitimate reason for them to hold personal data when consent is withdrawn.
Its not hard to think of a legitimate reason.
The forum is a resource we all share and contribute to and its always been understood that its publicly accessible. If you remove one contributors contributions retrospectively then many the threads they've been a part of make no sense. Even quite old threads have a value to users - as part of the many and varied glitches with the the new site the order of the first few posts of historic threads have been jumbled. People noticed that pretty early on so reference back to older threads is as much of a use of the forum for users as posting in new one.
If you wanted to have an option to delete histories then you'd have to offer the forum as something with very different functionality to all users from the outset.
I reckon the only way out is to be banned for life
Tj to the forum.......
.....................again
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There should be a new privacy notice that details what they do with the data and the legitimate interest they have to hold that.
IANAL but the "right to be forgotten" in GDPR appears harder to dismiss according to the info from my work's Gdpr bods.
Drac: Thank you.
TomHoward: That gif just about sums it up,
Everyone else: I'm not bothered about the posts I've made being in the public domain, I think I made three in total prior to this thread, not sure. Yes I could just log out and never come back, but I want to close the account and remove the possibility of logging in.
The GDPR is very clear on this under right to erasure, unless there is a legal reason (HMRC etc) or a legitimate interest (unlikely on an MTB forum) or possibly a vital interest (health) then we all have the right to have an account deleted.
Yes I could just log out and never come back, but I want to close the account and remove the possibility of logging in.
Change the password to 24 random characters
So what you want to do is close the account rather than 'delete' it - the answer is at the end of Drac's link then.
Or give someone else your log in / password and they can change the password for you.
Don't be tempted to create a new account though; it's as easy as the possibility of logging in that you want to remove [rolls eyes]
Unless of course that's the plan - you're just not a cookiemonster any more and want to return as a more svelte, mature and not quite so lovable character?
If you remove one contributors contributions retrospectively then many the threads they’ve been a part of make no sense.
Well, as the upgrade has garbled the order of most of the old threads, I can’t see it being any worse.
Don’t be tempted to create a new account though
Cookiemonster28
Well as moderator Scotroutes has requested my input (winky):
As of the 25/52018 you'll just have to notify Gofar enterprises of your wish (and right) to be forgotten under the GDPR as article 17 (I think - please check, this is off the top of my head and I don't have time to check as Madame wants to go out for a walk) no longer includes any clauses that mean you'd need to argue it out in court.
I could have gone any time as I've kept the insulting e-mails I've recieved from the mods which along with deletions which mean that my posting here is not a true record of my opinions would have been legal justification enough - along with the fact I'd been given a "troll" tag (discrimation).
I got my "troll" tag for discussing this with Mark in the past and our differences of opinion couldn't be resolved without me taking him on in court which I didn't want to do for several reasons:
1/ there are some good people on here, some dicks too but that's part of it. Mark himself plays up to his Mr Grumpy persona but under that cover I reckon he's on the side of right and good. He has employees to pay and I'd rather he did that than pay a lawyer which brings me to point 2.
2/ Getting legal is always unlpeasant and stressful for both sides and I'm sure both myself and Mark are happier on our bikes or trundling around in our electric cars than in court.
3/ I'd have definitely got a lifetime ban! (winky)
So read the GDPR.
Well that was all very dramatic.
All the online banks etc have had to ammend their data protection for new laws surely if the site doesnt match the new laws and you signed up under the old one?
I think you are all getting your knickers in a twist over the GDPR rules and how they apply in this instance.
Ya’ gonna need to read them again I reckon.
Theres certainly been some misunderstanding
Its the longest running thread the OP has ever started though - why leave now just when its starting to get good!
🙂
The GDPR right to erasure is not as wide ranging as people often suggest.
Obviously Gofar Ltd would need to come up with a significant argument to justify retaining any personal info (name, email etc) in your account. However even that they might be able to justify for their own future defence in any defamation case. Deleting your actual contributions to the forum doesn't seem to automatically meet this requirement (for deletion):
- Where the personal data is no longer necessary in relation to the purpose for which it was originally collected/processed.
and may meet this "get out":
- archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific research historical research or statistical purposes;
it will ultimately be for a court to determine and establish case law on the interpretation of those clauses. My experience of most GDPR "Experts" is that they have just learned and recited the rules but given no thought to what they might actually mean in real circumstances.
What may be reasonable is to rename a forum contributor who wants to be deleted, eg. all posts by "poly" could become "DeletedUser001" but the quoting system on this forum does make it hard (although not impossible) to capture all the times someone mentions poly in a thread.
What may be reasonable is to rename a forum contributor who wants to be deleted, eg. all posts by “poly” could become “DeletedUser001” but the quoting system on this forum does make it hard (although not impossible) to capture all the times someone mentions poly in a thread.
What would the implications of something like this to something like the http://www.singletrackworld.com:80/forum/list.php?f=2&menu=1 4">'Way back machine'?
Why do you want to leave Op?
maccruisekeen,
I think that may give Gofar a reasonable argument not to bother (although the information being publicly available elsewhere isn’t an excuse AFAIR). The owner of the data would have to approach each web archive (and there are several - some outside EU reach) and ask to be deleted, and I think the archive excuse is potentially all the stronger if that is your primary function. Morevover they are likely to have much higher motivation (and possibly funds) to fight a case in the courts.
As we continue to discuss a topic that we've now established has nothing to do with the the OP's clarified question... I'm beginning to regret previously posting
If you remove one contributors contributions retrospectively then many the threads they’ve been a part of make no sense.
Looks like deleting from all of the internet will be a chore 🙂
Yes I could just log out and never come back, but I want to close the account and remove the possibility of logging in.
Just wondering what someone’s said to provoke that sort of desire. It’s just a forum, it’s not Fb, or Twitter or Netflix, I really can’t see why anyone would want to go that far; just walk away and don’t look back. Some may wonder what happened to cookiemonster27, but I’d hazard a guess nobody would notice or give a shit.
I haven’t been on Fb for around four months, I may/may not go back, but I really can’t be arsed to delete my account, anything I’ve posted in the past can stay there ‘til the death of the universe for all I care.
Well that was all very dramatic.
As confrontational as ever, Drac. It doesn't help. Another screenshot in the archive.
GDPR is about personal data - anyone's posts are NOT personal data. The username may or may not be personal data - I suspect we are going to have to wait for the ICO to clarify that. Your personal data is your name, contact information that you have supplied to STW (or Gofar) when registering on the website. You can ask for that to be deleted. If I understand correctly, STW could decide to change your username to a generic account name if you left and leave all the posts.
(Note also that the forum and subscription to the magazine are different things and should be treated differently.)
STW could decide to change your username to a generic account name if you left and leave all the posts
I think making the user name anonymous would satisfy most people but as I read it if the contents of any post allows your identification directly or indirectly then you could insist that be removed too.
Drac has an extemely conflictual relationship with some members, check out Teasel's last five posts on the sponge thread, they're still there which is good as they weren't censored. I think a court might be sympathetic to someone victimised and provoked by a forum moderator requesting the removal of the totality of their posting history. Just an opinion of course but Google is now restrained by a number of principles which include dereferencing stuff after a period of time if requested to do so.
Things will become clearer when requests go in as of 25/5/2018 from people feeling aggrieved if they feel so inclined. I think most have the good sense to just stop posting but you never know and there's no point grutuitously winding people up eh, Drac. I think the new directives change the balance of power between users and providers, time will tell where that leads us.
Drac has an extemely conflictual relationship
Do I?
lol well incomplete or selective quoting isn't the best way to answer that now is it....
Ooops! Copy fail.
Just to clear everything up before my account is hopefully closed and brings all this to a close.
1. No one had said anything to warrant this, I just wish to close the account.
2. Yes I could just log out, but I'd like to close the account down. Singletrack isnt the only place I'm doing this so don't feel offended / picked on / happy etc, none of this is personal, I'm just decluttering my digital life so I can focus on other things.
3. I've emailed Singletrack in an attempt to get this sorted as was suggested by one user as per the T&C's which I missed.
4. GDPR was never an issue here, nor a concern, the posts can stay if they have to, i've nothing to hid, I just wish to close the account.
5. So long and thanks for all the fish.
6. Should all this fail, I will just log out and leave it alone.
It’s the Tech guys who deal with clearing your email and what have Cookie so it’ll tomorrow at the earliest before you get a response.
A couple of points here.
I know it's not what you asked for, but as others have said no-one is going to have their posting history removed (we've been asked for this before). It should be immediately apparent as to why - it'd be an act of gross vandalism.
If you want to render your account inaccessible, STW can scramble your password, and optionally scramble your email address making a password recovery impossible. You'll have to email tech@ for this, the moderators can't do it. What we can do, if you like, is simply give you a lifetime ban. Not that I'm sure what this gains, there's nothing to stop you from creating a new account, but if you'd like me to do that then let me know (either here or at the moderator@ email address).
The GDPR's "right to be forgotten" is a misnomer, it's the "right of erasure" and refers to companies processing personal data. There's an argument that a username could be seen as personal data, but it's not data which has been collected for any sort of processing and in any case hasn't been solicited privately, it's in the public domain. It's easy to see how someone's real name, physical address and credit card details given for a magazine subscription would be considered personal data which an individual is within their rights to be asked to be erased, but less so with a username on a public forum IMHO.
In any case, all the armchair experts in the world can't say for sure yet how the GDPR is going to work in practice. English law is essentially whataboutery which is then tested in court to set precedences, and of course that's not happened yet. It's going to take a legal test case for anyone to be certain about how it applies to things like public mountain biking forums, but from what I've read it does seem to me that this is outside of the 'spirit' of the legislation.
How come he got fish? I didn't get fish.
GDPR is about personal data – anyone’s posts are NOT personal data.
They are if the contents allow the person to be identified.