[Closed] Hebden Bridge Trouser Company

Hello. Am I allowed to say that?

no, get back into the factory you workshy malingerer... 😆

[quote=ads678 ]Maybe you two should start making hand bags as well!!

Woooah, calm down, my wife makes handbags (amongst other things, see

). Lovely as their kecks may be, I don't want brant and ed running her out of business!

Nice piece in the Yorkshire Post on us yesterday.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lifestyle/fashion/return-of-the-kecks-factor-in-hebden-bridge-1-8314682

For me, link no work.

Still think its a hoax.

Nice piece in the Yorkshire Post on us yesterday.

I thought it was rather misleading...
.... you were smiling in the photos, a smile which almost looked genuine.

Bump for British manufacturing.

🙂

Where did the other thread go, it dissapeared after I read page one.

No idea what happened to it.

Someone must have said his name three times too many 😉

Locked because it got abusive and there was much speculation without any knowledge of the facts.

I suspect that this will go the same way.

Locked + removed ?

be a shame to lose this thread by people deliberately trolling it.

Yes, the mod locked it and said he would delete after 30 mins.

Locked because it got abusive and there was much speculation without any knowledge of the facts.

If it got abusive, fair enough (lock it) but why delete it ?

Speculation ?

So what! it's a chat forum.
People on here the other day speculating about how and why people were burned to death in their flats, and that was ok.

Why is speculating about the location of a trouser factory not allowed ffs 😯

Don't think it was trolling as such, more that people were expressing opinion about something that may not have been strictly true so had the chance of getting sticky legally.

Since when has idle uninformed speculation been an issue on STW?

pistonbroke - Member

Since when has idle uninformed speculation been an issue on STW?

You think this place is egalitarian? You fool you.

It was direct accusations against two name individuals who were already seeking legal advice for similar claims made elsewhere, I can understand why the site owner chose to delete it.

I must have missed the abusive post, apart from Dracs usual childish comments 🙂

Why is speculating about the location of a trouser factory not allowed ffs

I guess it depends who that trouser company belongs to.

had the chance of getting sticky legally.

I was only halfway through before it got deleted. Had a look at their website and says "made in the north" and "pennine based" so looks like they've removed the "contentious" marketing

had the chance of getting sticky legally.

So where are these trousers made?

No one's allowed to say...just in case

In that case most of the arguments stand as people thought it was a bit rich launching the company on a ticket of saving the Hebden Bridge trouser making legacy.

I didn't see anything libellous in the other thread, unless it was factually incorrect at a basic level.

I understand Mark's concern though, especially if he's OOTO.

Since when has idle uninformed speculation been an issue on STW?

Since that time today when it was aimed at a couple of their mates.

chestrockwell - Member
Yes, the mod locked it and said he would delete after 30 mins.

Why delete the thread?

Ok everyone.
I've talked with Brant about this and I've explained that opinion is fine but where opinion is put forward as fact it enters the realm of potential libel.

I'm sure Brant and Ed will have something to say publicly soon enough but at the moment they are doing things sensibly and getting advice first.

As for this thread there's enough comment on here to worry me from a publishing POV and so I'm am closing this thread. This does not mean the topic is off limits just that there have been comments that have gone beyond opinion and fair comment. As the publisher of these comments (you may write them but we have allowed you to publish them) we need to look at our own position and how we could be dragged into the issue. So. Closed for now to give you a chance to read this. The topic is NOT off limits though and so long as you stick to facts, fair opinion and fair comment then all is well.

I'll be deleting this thread in approximately 20 minutes.

Cheers
Mark - in a van on the way to Mountain Mayhem.

Never stops previous POV's regardless of how untrue from appearing on here before and the thread to be locked rather than deleted.
I guess advertising income didn't effect the decision.

It absolutely has nothing to do with anything!

The difference between other POV and this is the phone calls involving talk of legal advice. I've closed hundreds of threads over the years where I consider our position to be at risk because of potentially legal comments made by posters. I've equally told enough offended businesses to **** off and suck it up when I've considered the posters comments to be fair comment. We've actually lost advertising revenue because of those latter stances.

I'll say it again, £150 for a belt is waaaayy too much.

They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper [s]sneakers[/s] belts.
But what's the real cost?
‘Cause the [s]sneakers[/s] belts don't seem that much cheaper.
Why are we still paying so much for [s]sneakers[/s] belts
When you got them made by little slave kids
What are your overheads?

Not relevant. The thread just reminded me of it 😀

Clearly the solution is childskin belts.

Long as there are mugs around to pay it, you can charge what you like for a [url= https://www.wheelersluxurygifts.com/product/montblanc/diamond-head-pin-buckle-reversible-leather-belt ]belt[/url]..

[url= https://www.wheelersluxurygifts.com/brand/montblanc/belts ]Arf![/url]

[i]Clearly the solution is childskin belts. [/i]

I suspect apostrophe placement is key here...

Kids' Leather Square Buckle Belt

[url= http://www.marksandspencer.com/leather-tan-belt-younger-boys- ]http://www.marksandspencer.com/leather-tan-belt-younger-boys-[/url]

I've talked with Brant about this and I've explained that opinion is fine but where opinion is put forward as fact it enters the realm of potential libel.

LOL never ever would it even get as far as a court let alone a solicitors letter. this forum would be left with just what tyre/estate car for 2 bikes and making progress threads if equally ‘libellous’ threads were treated in the same way.

there are less than 100 libel/slander cases heard in the UK every year. 🙄 arguing the toss about the origins of a pair of ‘made in the U.K.’ trousers on an internet forum suggests a sense of perspective is severely lacking.

Clearly the solution is childskin belts.

yes, but is it genuine Yorkshire child skin, or some cheap far east import which has been bleached a bit?

I still don't understand why the providence of whether a trouser is made in Hebden Bridge or some other town is so important to folk who have bought them.

Next people will be bottling water out of the canal there and selling Hebden Bridge Co water for a gizillion pounds in CNC engraved bottles

I still don't understand why the providence of whether a trouser is made in Hebden Bridge or some other town is so important to folk who have bought them.

I think its because people are happy to pay for something if they feel it is doing some good. I.e. keeping a local economy going. If it turns out that this may not be the case then i can understand people getting miffed.

there are less than 100 libel/slander cases heard in the UK every year. arguing the toss about the origins of a pair of ‘made in the U.K.’ trousers on an internet forum suggests a sense of perspective is severely lacking.

But it's STW's position as "publisher" of the comments on here, and of engaging people to moderate the comments they publish, which could get them into one of those court cases. Totally understandable to be concerned and to take action when those comments are getting a little close to the wind.

If their legal advice had been "it's just a bunch of guys chatting shit on the internet, nothing you need to be concerned about (despite your providing the infrastructure they're using to disseminate those comments), no-one's ever going to get you involved" than things would be different.

Funky, Don't give him any more ideas.
Having spent 30+ years in the packaging industry, specifically making shrinkwrap for the beverage market, I know of several bottled water companies whose product is bog standard tap water and the filling lines are just a row of taps hooked up to the mains.

I still don't understand why the providence of whether a trouser is made in Hebden Bridge or some other town is so important to folk who have bought them.

Because their whole marketing campaign was based around them saving 'trouser town'. So I guess if after building the brand on that ethos and they've now gone elsewhere then people probably feel like they've been cheated.

In the words of John Lydon 'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'.

I still don't understand why the providence of whether a trouser is made in Hebden Bridge or some other town is so important to folk who have bought them.

Have you seen their promotional video? The providence is important because they're using that providence specifically as the main selling point of the trousers, and the brand, and to justify the high prices they're charging.

If it turns out that this may not be the case then i can understand people getting miffed.

If it turns out they still are what then?

[i]If it turns out they still are what then?[/i]

Sue STW's ARSES!

@pistonbroke - would one of those companies be based near Huddersfield and be branded after some sisters who wrote a book each?

If it turns out they still are what then?

carry on peddling your British made wares through the usual (free) channels with the same ‘i’m your mate down the pub’ nonchalance.

exert from an interview with hebtroco. [b]IF[/b] they have moved production then it all seems a bit of a shoddy way to behave. If they haven't then happy days.

[i]We came to this job knowing absolutely nothing about trousers and what we’ve learnt so far has come mostly from the factory that we work from. We use a factory in our town which is staffed by one cutter and six machinists. They make for other companies as well as us but we have quickly become their biggest customer.

We have a stock and despatch room in the factory which also serves as our office. Being based in the factory has given us the great opportunity to learn about the manufacturing process from the skilled worked who are involved in this business every day.

The cutter has been doing this job for 48 years and is a true Yorkshireman. He has dryly humoured our lack of knowledge and has patiently showed us how the job is done. We also enjoy being told how we know nothing by the machinists who have all spent most of their working lives in the garment manufacturing trade. They’ve seen plenty of people come along saying how they’re going to start up companies or do this and that. The truth is that not many follow through and many will just move production overseas when they start to find success.[/i]

If it turns out they still are what then?

Thread disappears into history, fanboys feel more impressed with their keks, and trousers keep getting sold. Oh, and everyone returns to the more pressing matters of what's for tea, and what booze do I need.

If it turns out they still are what then?

They prove that were they are made, get the added free advertising and reap the rewards.

If they're not then is STW complicit in defrauding forum members by hiding the fact they maybe falsely promoted as made in Hebden Bridge in the way they removed a thread that highlighted this? Might need to seek legal advice.

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Imminent....

what sort of person sues their [b]mates[/b] ? Especially ones who have done so much to promote their wares?

Nail on the head as to the reason behind the swift intervention and thread removal ?

Drac - Moderator

If it turns out they still are what then?

Then theres nothing for people to get miffed about and it all goes away?

HebTroCo today as they read the deleted thread.......

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Thread [b]disappears[/b] into history

Not much chance of that.... 😉

If it turns out they still are what then?

Then the HebTroCo owners get to sue Richard Pickles for defamation

Though by the look of whats written on his Facebook page, I suspect that Arkell v Pressdram may be mentioned.

Sue STW's ARSES!

whos Sue?

whos Sue?

She lives next door but one to Alice

Alice?

I knew he should have called it Brant's Pants.

I was in Hebden yesterday and knocked over Ed's trouser bike by accident. Is this libellous?

whos Sue?

Louise's sister

Gary_M - Member

Alice?

If it turns out they still are what then?

Just to satiate the rumour mill:

As far as I'm aware they are, all of the moleskin trousers sold or currently held in stock have been produced in Hebden. Other factories may or may not be producing other products for them elsewhere in the North West, but the moleskins in question aren't currently in production in Hebden, China or anywhere else for that matter because no-one buys moleskin kecks in bloody June.

(This is AIUI and not a statement of fact, I do not have full visibility of both sides of the argument.)

I suspect that Arkell v Pressdram may be mentioned.

That's a very real possibility when you get sued; despite being in the right.

Libel proceedings are probably the only thing likely to be more expensive than the troos.

Hebden is in West Yorkshire, the best of the Yorkshires. When did Lancashire get involved? This seam needs more mining in order to unravel the thread of conspiracy and zip this up for good

So it might be that the last order Pickles delivered in April has lasted through May and June as the UK has had temperatures in the 20s most of the time. Yet some how this is Brant and Ed's fault.

York Short Co. .

Have you seen their promotional video? The providence is important because they're using that providence specifically as the main selling point of the trousers, and the brand, and to justify the high prices they're charging.

You mean provenance not providence - unless you think God is somehow involved in all this. You should be sued for semantic randomness... by God. Or maybe STW should. 🙄

Looks like they've got Drac in their pocket.

It's all a bit of a stitch-up, eh?

😛

Hebden Bridge-ish Trouser Company?

Hebden is in West Yorkshire, the best of the Yorkshires. When did Lancashire get involved?

Sorry, that was a braino on my part. The point I was making was that AFAIK they're still a local company for local people and haven't sold their soul to Seoul or anything.

I live in East Lancashire so West Yorkshire isn't a million miles away, I forget exactly where the border lies unless I'm paying attention. I've edited the post now (so this will make no sense).

So it might be that the last order Pickles delivered in April has lasted through May and June as the UK has had temperatures in the 20s most of the time. Yet some how this is Brant and Ed's fault.

On the deleted thread, Weren't you the one scoffing at anyone who was speculating without knowing the full facts of the matter ?

Look everyone Neal has arrived.

Why isn't Brant arriving?

Look everyone Neal has arrived.

So he doesn't make a valid point?

Yay or nay?

Maybe a bit early to jump to the belittling stage of arguing, tho.

Nay.

It was the pitch forks out without evidence I was questioning.

Look everyone Neal has arrived.

Grow up ffs. 🙄

I'll repeat the question. You seem to have missed it.

On the deleted thread, Weren't you the one scoffing at anyone who was speculating without knowing the full facts of the matter ?

Edit. Crossed posts.

It was the pitch forks out without evidence I was questioning.

So it's ok to speculate without evidence, as long as we agree with what you are speculating then ?