[Closed] Have you ever killed someone ?

He must have been a fun headmaster!

😯

How many were in your year?

I think there was about 250 in my High School year intake.

Which means, according to your tutors statistic, 1 in 250 people will be murdered to death.

4 in every 1000 ... sounds like quite a high proportion

I shared a tent with 2 killers when I was in the Scouts. The pair of them went on to murder 3 people. They'd got away with the first one they smothered with a pillow and it was only when they did the same to a husband and wife that the first death was looked at again.

murdered to death.

Is there any other outcome???

rate in uk is 1.23 per 100,000 per year. [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate ][/url]

so if you live for 70 years do we say chances would (1.23*70) per 100000 = 86.1 per 100,000 = 1 in 1161 ??

You'll note that Hora hasn't posted anything all day. That's all I'm prepared to say on the matter

[i]Is there any other outcome??? [/i]
of course there is.

[i]1 in 250 people will be murdered to death[/i]

what's the stats on how many go into the forces and become paid murderers? Maybe he means that.

No I've not murdered anyone...but have wanted to a few times.

well, the OP seems to be confusing being murdered with committing murder?

there's less murderers than victims.

No, but my dad dealt with the life insurance of a lady who was smothered by her husband. He says that he dreamt he was a p.o.w in Japan and she was a guard. He got off.

of course there is.

Oh, no there isn't 😉

eg, only being "half" murdered to death would be attempted murder, surely?

Was he a maths teacher? I reckon a murder rate of 1:100,000 means there is statistically only a very small chance of a class of 30 being murdered, maybe only 3% if my maths is right.

I did work closely with someone that was murdered though, poor lass www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/04/ukcrime

I shared a tent with 2 killers when I was in the Scouts.

I shared a tent with a killer when I was in the Scouts, too. He beat his mother to death with a wine bottle, because she wouldn't let him borrow the car.

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The statistic at the beginning of "Boyz n the Hood" suggests (IIRC) 1:21 black American men is murdered (or they were in 1991) which I think is utterly horrific.

Right thats it i'm pulling my son out of Scouts, he statistically will grow up n kill me to death. Threads only 14 posts long and already 2 examples of this.......i better show him more respect. 😆

Scouts is clearly a hotbed of murderisors. I suspect this wasn't what Baden-Powell had in mind

there's less murderers than victims.

There'd have to be, really.

[tj voice]

but this isn;t a representative sample, it's anecdote.

you need to look at what percentage of ex-scouts become murderers vs a similar cross section of non-scouts in the same population.

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[i]There'd have to be, really.[/i]

actually, you often see 2 or 3 people convicted of the same murder so maybe I'm wrong.

I wonder what the number of victims per convicted murderer is. I think it may be less than 1.

I was murdered last week. Does that count?

Scouts is clearly a hotbed of murderisors.

Statistics get skewed because they get caught more easily; people dob dob dob them in.

I suspect this wasn't what Baden-Powell had in mind

Quite the contrary - I believe the intention was to constitute a structured, disciplined, quasi-military organisation to supplement the Armed Forces. About the time of WW1 wasn't it, so good reason to have a training ground for the next crop of fodder 🙁

[i]I was murdered last week. Does that count? [/i]

You weren't murdered, it was a heart attack in your Californian home.

Good work in the Monkees, though..

* Doffs hat to Cougar. Olympic level punning there! *

Not yet....give me time though.

Think I might have killed lots of people but I somehow manage to suppress the memory. For a few years anytime I travelled anywhere on work there would be headlines about gruesome murders there in the press just as I got home. Its been a running joke with my GF that if any job comes up that involves a few nights in a travelodge then there will be blood!

I'm just home from another trip so if any bad murders have been done in Maidstone, Stoke on Trent, St Helens or Blackpool in the last few days then they're probably my fault

I could murder a drink right now....

DrP

*also stands and applauds cougar*

Well, I could tell you, but then I'd have to - you know...

Right thats it i'm pulling my son out of Scouts, he statistically will grow up n kill me to death. Threads only 14 posts long and already 2 examples of this.......i better show him more respect.

Its probably too late for that, you'd better kill him before he gets you first 🙂

Yes, top joke there Cougar

"there's less murderers than victims."
There'd have to be, really.

Not necessarily - see avdave2's example above.

I was in the Scouts

maccruiskeen - was there an incident in the past involving straying off the path on a moonlit night on the moors?

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Its probably too late for that, you'd better kill him before he gets you first

Bigbloke goes off to lay in wait for his son returning home from school.......KATO Style!!!!!!!

I was in the scouts and as far as I know I haven't murdered anyone yet.

Out of interest does the murder rate go up when it's 'bob a job' week?

The statistic at the beginning of "Boyz n the Hood" suggests (IIRC) 1:21 black American men is murdered (or they were in 1991) which I think is utterly horrific.

[url= http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/06/21/the-suicide-paradox-full-transcript/ ]Freakenomics[/url] did and interesting program on Suicide and how rates vary in different populations - people who live at great risk of death -in famine effected areas for instance don't tend to commit suicide, the instinct to survive over-rides any suicidal thoughts. In the US white people commit suicide and black people get murdered - and why that is the case is quite interesting and has a lot to do with where people place the blame for their unhappiness.

maccruiskeen - was there an incident in the past involving straying off the path on a moonlit night on the moors?

What? You accusing me of riding cheeky trails?

He should have been a headmaster at my school where one of the pupils was murdered in the playground. Terrible business. The guy that did it was another pupil and ended up dying in prison a few years later.

Depends where you live. Glasgow's murder rate is around three times the UK average. In the year to March 2011 there was 26 murders in Glasgow. The population is just under 600'000 so roughly 4 murders per 100'000.

There are big variations is risk in different areas of Glasgow. Some areas will have a murder rate around 10 per 100'000 a year. Or 1:10'000 per year. For a year of 200 pupils in a big school that is a 1:50 chance per year.

So over a 50 year lifespan after they left school one would be killed statistically.

So for schools in a few areas of Glasgow the statement would be correct. Almost anywhere else in the UK outside a few other inner city areas it won't be.

so far this has been all about premeditating and devious scouts..

any accidental killers?

oh, and 'not yet' for me. 🙂

A lad I went to school with murdered someone. He was a normal lad, very skilled cyclist too but he just lost it one day and killed his girlfriend. We both went to the same Grammar school and he did well academically too. Certainly no thug or such by any stretch of the imagination.
A friend of mine also was involved in an incident that a lad died but he was cleared in court in any wrong doing in the matter.

Question wasn't whether you'd murdered anyone, it was whether you had killed anyone. Soldiers, airforce, maybe one of you medical types mixed up a dosage and hushed it up in the notes 😉

A guy i work with killed a pensioner in a car crash on the A31 Hogs Back near farnham. There's loads of left and right turns over the central reservation, many of which are obscured by trees and bushes. he was happily driving home on a summer evening when an old bloke in a Micra just slowly rolled out across the carriageway. No way to avoid it, he spent weeks in hospital afterwards but the old boy would have been killed instantly.

Killed, yes. Murdered no. Not proud but what's done is done.

Depends very much what we mean by 'killing' someone. I have taken actions which have resulted in people dying, lots of times.

The withdrawal of treatment from people who are not going to survive, or the decision to not treat an event in someone who will not survive are both parts of the work I have to do.

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well, the OP seems to be confusing being murdered with committing murder?

there's [s]less[/s]fewer murderers than victims.

Only for incorrect use of 'less' ...

I was in the same year at school as Thomas Haigh, the lad who shot and killed 2 people (drug dealers that he was in cahoots with), locked them in a van and then buried the van in Cornwall. Was in the news a couple of weeks ago, he'll serve a min of 35 years.

Bit worried though, as I was in the scouts, and my dad is a scout leader 😕

I wouldn't recommend getting started murdering, it's very more-ish.

I watched a comedian die on stage ,does that count ?

TBH ,it wasn't that bad a heckle 😆

Great way to pass the hours

A friend of mine was a police officer and one day he shot dead three guys who tried to kill him and his colleague. His colleague was seriously injured but Robert was unharmed.

It affected him deeply and destroyed his life. He could never understand how he had got up that morning to go to work and ended up responsible for three deaths. And he hated people congratulating him and regarding him as some kind of brave hero.

He drank himself to death recently.

Just to continue the scouts / murderers theme, my mate's dad and my dad used to take turns running us to scouts. When it was my mate's dad's turn, he'd give his ten year old son the car keys and send him off to get the car out of the garage, drive it down the back lane and up the front of the street to the house!

On the way to scouts he'd regale us with tales of his scouting days, which mostly seemed to consist of forcing other kids to eat various horrible things (small dead animals, whole boxes of matches and the like). Even as a kid I knew something wasn't right with him.

About ten years later, he strangled his wife in the Costa del Sol, chopped her into little pieces and dumped her in various bins. He got caught and so far as I know is still in prison.

Friends help you move.. Real friends help you move dead bodies.

Depends where you live. Glasgow's murder rate is around three times the UK average. In the year to March 2011 there was 26 murders in Glasgow. The population is just under 600'000 so roughly 4 murders per 100'000.

Taggart goes and dies and the murder rate goes up it seems.

There seem to be some motorists, who you could willingly hang the tag murderer on in the last few weeks.

I should point out that only one of the 2 killers I shared that tent with was a homicidal psychopathic lunatic the other was just a suggestible idiot. It was fun being their patrol leader for a weeks camp.

On the same camp I also saw another lad lose his temper with someone and chase them round the site with a felling axe before hurling it at them. Luckily it's quite hard to throw one accurately.

Sounds more like clubbed clouts.

The murder rate in Glasgow is down to one thing in particular. Drugs.

Mainly its one dealer slotting a rival. Very few are innocent decent folk getting killed at random.

That said, knife related murders are worryingly prevalent in the death of under 25's. Drink being a common factor in those cases.

I would have thought that Taggart snuffing it would lower Glasweigan murder rate. 1 murder a week is more than the claimed 26 a year! Unless Taggart was on fortnightly? Or for 6 months a year?

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Graham S to the forum please

i dont think that maths is right if it is 1 in 100,000 per population then my odds dont change from year to year as past events do not influence future ones

Ie If i toss a coin and get a head the next year when i do the same the odds are exactly the same as the fact I got a head is irrelevant it is still 50/50.

I am no more likely to be murdered because i am a year older and I was not murdered last year.

anyone know for sure?

EDIT: rate in uk is 1.23 per 100,000 per year. [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate ][/url]

so if you live for 70 years do we say chances would (1.23*70) per 100000 = 86.1 per 100,000 = 1 in 1161 ??

i meant these one not the ones at the bottom of P1
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But he always caught them and in the repeats you knew who the killer was before he did.

any accidental killers?

My next door neighbour claims to have killer her lover's wife 'with her thoughts'

Even further to the scout theme, Thomas Hamilton who carried out the Dunblane shooting was a Scout Leader.

nice topic boys 🙄

Oh emsz, what's a bit of light-hearted killing between [s]friends[/s] strangers on the internet?

by act, possibly,
by omission, probably,
by intention, never.

I'm a lyrical gangster if that helps..?

One was murdered and three committed suicide from my year at school. Several others will probably have killed numerous people given that they've been in the army for around 18 years.

nice topic boys

agreed, wish i hadn't posted now.

Although that said, i did absolutely murder 'House of the Rising Sun' at a karaoke in Ireland once. I thought I'd attempt it in a low growly delivery reminiscent of Nick Cave, but to anyone that witnessed it it sounded just like a drunk bloke mumbling. To this day i regret not doing Mark E Smith style instead.

There are people alive today because I cannot afford a hitman

I shot a man in Reno
Just to watch him die

Yes. I emptied a whole gun into an eskimo who'd stabbed with a piece of wood. Just as we were both dying on the front lawn of the house where I used to live I woke up!!!!

SB

EDIT - Didn't we do this already?

I shot the sherrif, not the deputy though.

I stabbed a man in Reno.
I don't know if he died.

Honestly, all these scouts murdering each other. The mind woggles!

Do they get a badge to sew on their uniforms or something?

Aborting fetus is killing ...

I was in the Scouts, loved it, never killed anyone though.
Someone from my year group was getting a lift into school with their Dad and they ended up running over and killing his best friend. Very sad story. 🙁 I think 3 or 4 kids got hit and killed on the same stretch of road that year and now it has some mental traffic calming measures.

On a lighter note. I did save someones life, literally. I was walking through Salford and a kid ran into the road without looking, I grabbed his hood without thinking and yanked him back. The van that would have hit him was only on the brakes after the point where he ran into the road.
Next thing I had his mother shouting at me to get my hands off her kid. The mind boggles.

chewkw...you've just murdered some spelling.

As well as the 2 killers and the axe wielding maniac in our troop we also had one lad who ended up dead in a car crash a couple of years later and a suicide.

On a lighter note. I did save someones life, literally. I was walking through Salford and a kid ran into the road without looking, I grabbed his hood without thinking and yanked him back

I once pulled a friend back from under the wheels of a car and I only managed that because he'd just bought a new tyre for his bike and was wearing it diagonally over one shoulder. Sorry I can't remember the tyre model but it was for his 10 speed Carlton.

xbox online for all your friend killing needs. Got me through winter nights.