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When Paul and his mother are lost in the dessert,in the book this is a big change in power between them and she starts to fear what he will become.They just skipped over this in the film.
They didn't want to over-egg the pudding. ;D
LETN have just brought out a Dune inspired T shirt!
I'll hopefully be getting one for Xmas...
https://www.lastexittonowhere.com/catalogue/atreides_15412/
Seen it this afternoon, absolutely beautiful, good to concentrate on the story and still a bit bonkers.
I'm sure it'll be great (and I'll be in the cinema watching), but I didn't think that's the greatest trailer? I'm sure there'll be 1 or 2 more before release though
Just reminded me of this 😀
https://www.theonion.com/dune-part-two-to-pick-up-right-where-viewers-fell-as-1850378546
I thought the trailer was really good, can't wait...
I’m sure it’ll be great (and I’ll be in the cinema watching), but I didn’t think that’s the greatest trailer? I’m sure there’ll be 1 or 2 more before release though
Yeah, I'd agree with that
I’m sure it’ll be great (and I’ll be in the cinema watching)
I'll be in the cinema just because I saw the first one but I'm expecting to be similarly underwhelmed.
Is anyone else reminded of Garrard from Peep show?
Looking damn good. It’ll be the last trailer i watch as just a nice level of tease.
I had to have that Peep Show test done a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely horrid experience.
Thought the trailer was a bit meh. Not bad, just meh.
Loved the look and cinematography of Dune 1, but I'm a total fan boi of the book and knew what was going on.
I can see how the hard of thinking and ADD types that don't like to pay attention would think it was crap without the knowledge that is inferred.
I mean. Sci-fi battles with swords? Where's the 'pew-pew lasers'?
Excellent,excited 😃
I can’t wait. I love the book, and thought the (new) movie was absolutely awesome.
Barry Norman on the Lynch film: The only film where the hero rides into battle on a worm.
I can see how the hard of thinking and ADD types that don’t like to pay attention would think it was crap without the knowledge that is inferred.
Well about time that those of us with an attention span greater than the time it takes to blink were given something to watch.
Watched 6 Underground the other night. Dreadful and I say that as someone who generally likes a bit of flippant Ryan Reynolds ott crazy nonsense to eat some sweets to.
Looking forward to this. Love the book. Really enjoyed this film version.
Watched 6 Underground the other night. Dreadful and I say that as someone who generally likes a bit of flippant Ryan Reynolds ott crazy nonsense to eat some sweets to.
I couldn't actually watch that. I could feel myself getting stupider and turned it off!
I find James Macavoy almost unwatchable. Ever since he left Early doors. Shameless!
Dune 2 release delayed until March due to Hollywood actors and writers strikes. ☹️
Arsebiscuits 😠 😡
damn you Hollywood ! May thy knife chip & shatter
I can’t wait for Dune 2. I was totally spell bound in the first one. I love the books, and was really impressed with the way they brought everything to life. It was like a sci-fi dream right on the screen in front of me. I especially liked the casting. But the graphics were equally fantastic imo.
If I wanted to nit- pick, I’m sure I could find things which I felt were rushed, or not exactly as I’d pictured them. But that’s the same (imo) with any film adaptation of a book. I think I’ve watched the move about 4 times now, and I could easily watch it again tomorrow. Totally enthralled.
The book gets a bit weird towards the end, so I hope that they can manage to portray the book well, without surrendering too much to Paul’s messiah weirdness.
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Oh my, the worms coming out of the storm !
Oh my word. I have rewatched the first part over and again. Bring on part two 🙂
Yeah, can't wait for the finale, would've been out by now if the writers strike hadn't have happened, what's the run time on part 2 anyway?
2 hrs 45 m from what I've read.
Bring it on. I might even go to the cinema for that. 🙂
I read the book while on holiday in the summer in prep for part 2. I watched p1 without having read the book and felt it needed better context. My eldest also read it and we watched the p1 together when we got home. I feel this May be a father daughter cinema outing. Excited.
I read the book while on holiday in the summer in prep for part 2. I watched p1 without having read the book and felt it needed better context
Same although not quite finished reading it. Must get on with it before March 1st!
BUMP
Saw Dune 2 on Tuesday, was blown away!
In retrospect and discussing with my co-worker this morning, I guess you could criticise the different pacing of the movies and somewhat inconsistent timelines etc. (as well as more obvious departures from the original book timeline which I never noticed anyway as it's been a while since I read it)but I didn't really notice this at the time.
Either way, it just felt like a bombardment of epic spectacles and noise, by the final scenes I was dangerously close to letting out a good ol' U.S of A '**** yeah!' in the middle of the cinema 😂
Read some interesting articles this morning about how difficult it might be to take the franchise much further, made me realise I can't even remember if I've read Messiah or not, but will definitely be picking up a copy at the next opportunity, just to see what Villeneuve might have in store for him.
The Guardian thinks that taking the franchise further might be tricky https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/07/dune-movie-part-two-book-messiah
Having just re-read the first 3 books, I can see their point.
I watched it and while I think it was a decent enough stab at the central storyline of Dune, I was disappointed by the bits that Villeneuve decided to leave out; The Court Intrigue, The Mentats (weirdly entirely missing after Part One) and yet again, the space guild, I get why he made those choices, but for me; it robbed the whole thing of some richness. I like that it swerved the white saviour trope that it so easily could've fallen into, and the parts on Geidi-Prime were pretty cool, but again, lacked some of the body-horror that's implicit in the book. It was entirely too long, and most of that was repeat shots of things like Arrakis in the morning, Arrakis at sunset, Paul and Chani on top of a sand dune, People walking in sand; dull filler. The battle scenes were cool, the gladiator fight was cool, the art direction is cool, the costumes are very cool. There's absolutely something to write about the depiction of the female characters, but you can largely leave that at Herbert's door
I'd give it 4/5
I enjoyed it enough, but it still had issues for me, the timeline tinkering made me think we'd have a time jump, that never happened, the North/South thing was a bit of a mess for me as well, how long would those sandworms take to get to the south, the storms stopping the enemy, when they have spaceships that could go over them, etc, etc.
Biggest grumble was the change in Chani halfway through, it felt a bit OTT and she came across as a grumpy teenager rather than someone seeing subtle changes, think all of this is probably down to the rushed timescales, a bit like Game of Thrones at the end when everything happened way too fast.
Have skipped past the the latest comments above for fear of spoilers as I'm off to see it at the IMAX tomorrow, can't wait. Rewatched the first one last weekend, had forgotten how good.
The Guardian thinks that taking the franchise further might be tricky https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/07/dune-movie-part-two-book-messiah
Having just re-read the first 3 books, I can see their point.
I've read Dune, and loved it, but none of the others as I was told on here, maybe even in this thread somewhere, that the rest of them were a bit rubbish anyway. And, to be honest, there's too many film franchises so not having another is no bad thing
as I’m off to see it at the IMAX tomorrow
I saw it at the imax yesterday. It's very very very very loud.
Still feels short though. I know trying to transfer any top class book from paper to screen will always make it seem like something is missing, or maybe because it is quite long, its character depth thats missing.
Not really a spoiler, but they've left it open for sequels.
I saw it the other night on IMAX, there is a lot missing, but I think you'd need a third and fourth film to really cram all of Dune into a film series. Really enjoyed what was presented, but would have loved more Fremen story set within the city before the major battle.
I was tired going into the film, the first quarter of the film I grappled with needing rest but it kicked on hard and really grabbed me, a nice change from normally drifting off in a dark room, I'm getting old 😀
Dune Messiah will be a perfect way of wrapping up this story arc. I really enjoyed the book, but the change of pace from a revenge story to one of the intrigues of power will be interesting to see. I have every confidence in Villeneuve to pull this off.
Still feels short though. I know trying to transfer any top class book from paper to screen will always make it seem like something is missing, or maybe because it is quite long, its character depth thats missing.
I think it's interesting, they maybe had a choice of very thorough, canonical, well paced, or just OOMPH!
They went with OOMPH! and I very much enjoyed the experience as a movie, others could quite legitimately want for a more evenly paced thorough retelling.
In a perfect world perhaps we could have a directors cut, one for OOMPH and one for accuracy (running to an extra two movies 😂)
IMAX tickets booked for tomorrow night with the family all descending on us for mother's day. Going to watch Dune 1 on the telly box again tonight for a refresher. Really looking forward to it. I read the book for the first time just before the first film came out. This was after years of dismissing it as 'I don't like sci fi'. Loved the book, loved the spectacle of the film even if bits of the story were missed out.
Latecomer to Dune @58, though people at school were big fans. My lad is a film buff and did 1 and then did 2 at south bank IMAX last Friday at 1AM for the first screening.
So I watched 1 on the tablet at the weekend while riding Alpe du Zwift (slowly), and a bit surprised that they'd only got round to killing off the duke in that time. Tablet was not a great screen w reflections, but listening on headphones was quite immersive.
Then looking at netflix for 1 and trailers for 2 on a big screen w good sound you realise just how stunning the soundscape is, and how epic those landscapes are cinematographically.
So obvs need to see 2 in the cinema, but as an ingenue to the thing, it feels pretty stunning cinema without fretting about the story being bang on
Not really a spoiler, but they’ve left it open for sequels.
...and so; Dune becomes just another movie franchise. It's going to be a tough ask though. In the next book Paul becomes the leader of a religious death-cult that murders billions an then turns in a worm-human hybrid...
They have already confirmed a third film. They have said it will be a trilogy rather than a never ending franchise. I guess the bean counters will dictate that though!
Went to Empire Podcast live last night, they said that they already have the backing and finances in place for the third movie, which will be Messiah.
Are the books an "easy" read, like many i'm not really a sci-fi nerd, i love films like this and many of the Apple TV series though, but often find when i go to read the book (not helped by it always being just before bed when tired) that they can be a bit impenetrable?
Very much looking forward to seeing this, one of my favourite books as a young lad. I'm even tempted to go to the cinema for the first time in years.
In the next book Paul becomes the leader of a religious death-cult that murders billions an then turns in a worm-human hybrid…
isn’t the worm but the 3rd and 4th with Leto rather than Paul?
Are the books an “easy” read
Dune is about the most straight forward of all of the Frank Herbert ones, and even that one is at the "madder than a box of frogs" end of the spectrum, and they only get weirder and weirder and weirder. If you want a well rounded understandable story that has a start middle and finish, just read the first three, although you could just read Dune and it would be satisfying. The next 3 are odd. all the ones that his son is responsible for; the Plumber of Dune, the Post Office of Dune, Ye Olde Swette Shoppe of Dune all of those, aren't worth bothering with IMO.
isn’t the worm but the 3rd and 4th with Leto rather than Paul?
Probably, it was a long time ago when I read them
did anyone else start thinking about “The Life of Brian” during some of the messiah scenes?
Glad that it wasn't just me.
But… did anyone else start thinking about “The Life of Brian” during some of the messiah scenes?
100%
It was too good not to be deliberate, and after seeing all the Stilgar memes I was really enjoying the mix of deadly serious and yet intentionally unintentionally comic 😂
Great film. Almost a masterpiece.
I think if one was to change the storyline as was done for Chani, why not for Feyd Rautha? Even in the book I thought this was a waste of such a good character and potential story arc.
Although someone has made the very valid point the Monty Python was probably referencing the original Dune book, so maybe Dune is just taking back its reference! 😂
I thought some of the apparently small changes they made were puzzling, since they changed the characters motivations a great deal. I guess it’s in service of whatever plot they have in mind for the third movie, which I think will have to be altered more from the book than they have done so far.
I just re-watched the first one, in preparation for going to see the second tonight. The same thing grated on me as it did when I first saw it - Jessica. In the book she is a strong character, but in the film she is tremulous and weepy - didn't like it at all.
Frank Herbert wrote many moons ago that even book one was worth a 6 hour film.
Yep - agree Jessica did far too much crying in the film, thought that was poor.
I was disappointed they opted against showing Paul training the Fremen in the ‘weirding way’ - to me that was a pretty integral part of them defeating the Harkonnens.
Went last night and we really enjoyed it. I know there were deviations from the book but that didn't spoil it for me. I sat motionless gawping at the screen spellbound for the duration which is unusual for me. I often fidget and get bored at the cinema. I thought the photography especially was stunning. The most enjoyable cinema experience I've had for yonks.
My only old man complaint, Christ on a skateboard IMAX is loud! Ears still ringing today! I'm wearing ear plugs next time to protect what little of my hearing I have left.
Forgot about the end battle, i thought they kind of made light of the Saraukur, who just disappeared in about 5 minutes, had a hint of the golden company in game of thrones about it.
Saw it last night, it was LOUD and it was looooooong. Honestly, it needed better editing or something as, to me, it felt like a series of scenes rather than a coherent film. I was genuinely a bit bored by the end, which saddens me slightly.
I really enjoyed it - yes it's long, yes there are parts that are a little disjointed. But...... they've packed in alot of story into those three hours, with blatant skips in narrative, it's a film at the end of a day not a book.
It's not the length that bothered me, I'm quite happy with a long film that uses the time to explore the story properly, but there seemed like good 20-30 minute chunks where bugger all was happening. And I think we'd all got the "if I go South loads of people die" point by the eighth or ninth time he said it, that got to the point of "FFS man, we know, are you going or not?"
I was shocked by the explicit baldism. The central message of the film was 'bald people are bad'. I can't believe there hasn't been more outrage from the follically challenged.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
But in general really enjoyed it, looked at my watch and was happy I had another hour to go. Was apprehensive of how long any battle/fight scenes might be, but they were mercifully short, although I agree the Sardaukur were pretty much forgotten. Thought the worm ride was excellent, considering how silly it is, I was on the edge of my seat.
I would have have preferred more Space Guild political/economic involvement/less Bene Gesserit religious* and thought is was a shame Stilgar was "dumbed down" but overall very good.
Went yesterday and though it was visually and audibly spectacular, we were not bored even almost 3hrs in, but we came away feeling disappointed (unlike the first film). I'm a big fan of the book*, so my disappoint with the 'changes' is one thing, but my partner who has no skin in the game, also felt let down/disappointed/deflated by it.
* (@skud) only this book, I tried and read some of them, but did not enjoy them, even though I really wanted to like them.
I was disappointed they opted against showing Paul training the Fremen in the ‘weirding way’ – to me that was a pretty integral part of them defeating the Harkonnens.
List any/all of the stuff that Villeneuve chose to leave out from CHOAM, to the navigators, to the weirding way, to Mentats...At some point I think any translation from a book to a film is going to loose some stuff on the way, doubly so for works like Dune that literally go all over the place anyway. If you're looking for that I think you'd be disappointed, if your looking for an interpretation on the central theme, I thinks its a creditable stab that gets it mostly right.
Went yesterday and though it was visually and audibly spectacular, we were not bored even almost 3hrs in, but we came away feeling disappointed (unlike the first film). I’m a big fan of the book*, so my disappoint with the ‘changes’ is one thing, but my partner who has no skin in the game, also felt let down/disappointed/deflated by it.
This is exactly our experience. Not bored, but disappointed. Mrs Onewheel hasn't read the book either, and it was actually she who suggested we go to see it yesterday, but this morning she said 'If they make another one I don't think I'll bother seeing it'.
Went to see it last night, first time i've been to IMAX screening in years, blimey, made the sub-woofer in my lounge sound a bit paltry!
I think visually it is real spectacle, between this and Shogun on TV currently, there are some film-makers making visually stunning work.
I really liked it, apart from Christopher Walken's character came across as a little lame, enough power to order the destruction of whole blood lines, then a slightly lame ending for him.
But all in all, i thought it was great and look forward to part 3.
Finally got to the cinema today
brilliant way to spend Easter Sunday
wowzers, loved it so much, watched the 1st one again last night to get ready
loved that they seem to have used the Gieger designs for the spice harvesters
agree that Walken seemed a bit wooden
Part 1 was Epic, it set the scene wonderfully and gave it the grandeur that was missing from the previous attempts. Part 2 seemed to lack both depth and grandeur. In the book, this is where most of the detail for what is to come is laid, but it’s missing here.
That being said, I thought the way they used SOUND in the second film was immense! It was almost uncomfortable at times which really added to the experience, but will likely be lost on home cinema experiences. Timothee Chalamet was again excellent. The best Paul Atreides we’ve seen so far - a great blend of warrior, prophet, son and duke.
Agree with Daffy, Part 2 was a bit of a mess - really looked like they had to do some savage editing in the second half and it stopped making sense. The sound though, that was awesome. My seat in the Vue was shaking.
I couldn't help thinking, with the Worm riding... how did they stop and get off? How did they make them go where they wanted them to? They were made far too big to be able to even notice a human was riding on them. All rather silly that.
I couldn’t help thinking, with the Worm riding… how did they stop and get off? How did they make them go where they wanted them to? They were made far too big to be able to even notice a human was riding on them. All rather silly that.
According tot he books, they run the worm to exhaustion on the surface and then dismount and the worm is too tired to attack and other worms stay away, allowing them to get off and run away. Similarly in the books, the grapples which expose the tender flesh of the worm beneath the armor can be used to steer it, the worm essentially tries to keep those exposed bits at the top, so they can make it turn by opening the most left or right grapple further, then even out the grapples or release entirely.
How did they make them go where they wanted them to? They were made far too big to be able to even notice a human was riding on them.
It showed you. They pull on the ‘scales’ to get them to rise, turn or slow.
I thought it was even better than the first even helped the first make a little more sense. Agreed the sound was immense glad I seen it in iMax.
too loud for the IMAX I was in, all you could hear was fittings rattling!
According to the books...
Not read them, and didn't get that from the film, maybe I drifted off during that explanation. I did have a few micronaps during part 2 😊
I had quite a good snooze in Part one so maybe I had better give part two a miss incase my snoring upsets other people.
The more i look back at it, the more holes i see, it was a bit of a mess, the ending just didn't make sense, they came in on the worms, took out all the sardaukans and harkonnens, but the ships were undamaged and somehow the Fremen were able to work out how to crew and operate them in an hour or so as the enemy had left the keys in them 🤣
Personally i just didn't feel like there was closure in it, all the talk for years was Part 2 was going to end it well, then it's all pretty much planned for 'Part 3, coming soon'.
Took me a second watch, with no-one to disturb me, and on the projector to get through Part 1 without missing bits.
somehow the Fremen were able to work out how to crew and operate them in an hour or so as the enemy had left the keys in them
The Fremen had been using them a very long time, they were featured using them in Part 1.