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I loved the David Lynch version. No one can say Muad'Dib like Everett McGill or Usul like Sean Young.
The new one is okay, it looks great but little Timmy is a bit of a weed isn't he?
Is this one of those films that doesn't make sense if you haven't read the books?
Saw it last night.
I'm a fan of the David Lynch version, this one was a bit hit and miss - thought spent too much time in his visions. Thwy conveyed the bigness of things very well. Was disappointed when it finished, and was ok for it to be "Part One". Feels like it might have been a wast of time when I read it's not yet definite there will be a part two.
You’ll be able to follow it if you haven’t read the book. Although it makes more sense if you have.
Is this one of those films that doesn’t make sense if you haven’t read the books?
I've said twice now that I haven't read it! Or seen any of the other films.... and it made complete sense to me. How someone who has read the book can say it makes less sense to someone who hasn't I do not know!
Is this one of those films that doesn’t make sense if you haven’t read the books?
No, not at all, it's a straightforward story of betrayal and revenge. My partner also has no experience of Dune either the books or the Lynch film and she got it straight away.
+ Denis Villeneuve, so should be excellent
- Timotheeee chalameeeet, so will be unable to enjoy Villeneuve's vision
They did seem to be very discreet in mentioning it's half the story. I mean it's just called Dune, not Dune 1 or anything. Maybe they were worried not enough people would see it to justify making the next one if they only thought it was half the story.
I await the Michael Bay version, that'll be faster paced, maybe with The Rock as Paul.
Apparently it does say "Dune: Part One" on the title card. I guess that's the screen at the start that shows the certification? Didn't notice it myself.
interesting reading this thread. Until now I thought I was the only person in the world who liked the David Lynch film
C'mon, after all, who doesn't want to see Sting in winged underpants?
yeah I'm sure it does - it definitely doesn't on any posters, adverts or indeed the cinema marquees that I've seen though! So you don't know until you've actually paid your money and sat down to watch (half of) it 😃Apparently it does say “Dune: Part One” on the title card. I guess that’s the screen at the start that shows the certification? Didn’t notice it myself.
Anyways, this thread has of course got me hankering for some good old Dune II action! However despite being the daddy of RTS games I'm sure the original would be so frustrating as to be unplayable these days - clicking on EVERY guy individually to get them to move or attack etc.
Have any nerdy fans recreated the game but with some modern touches? Indeed they have!! Lots of them! Found almost a dozen projects in fact, and settled on Dune Legacy as it's basically a 99% finished re-write of the original game, but with more commands/hotkeys/unit groups etc à la C&C, plus runs in hi-res - and some optional tweaks including proper fog-of-war & multiplayer!
It's great, spent a while playing it last night - even managed to compile & run it natively on my Raspberry Pi 400 for more of a retro effect 🤣. DUNE. LAND OF SAND 😃
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Is this one of those films that doesn’t make sense if you haven’t read the books?
No, not at all, it’s a straightforward story of betrayal and revenge. My partner also has no experience of Dune either the books or the Lynch film and she got it straight away.
Or, as I saw it described the other day
"Teenager and his mother put on skin-tight onesies to go on a journey together, all the while drinking their own bodily fluids"
Going this week, quite excited.
🙂
Saw it last night. Loved it.
There was a lot of huffing and puffing coming from the group sat next to us though so I guess it wasn’t what they were expecting
does indeed say Part One on the title card
I preferred a Max Von Sydow Leit-Kynes though.
this was balanced out but the fantastic Ornithopters
does indeed say Part One on the title card
👍 nice confirm
I loved it, thought it was amazing. Absolutely gutted when I found out they haven't even started filming part 2 yet
Seeing it tonight, I's excite.
Watched it today, thought it captured the essence of dune really well and i enjoyed it a lot.
Slightly worried for the sequel as that covers it the parts where the book gets a really *weird*
Liked the way the mentats and doctors were marked out as "supra-human".
The thing that irked me was the use of lasers in a couple of sequences.
It looks great, but if you've read the books you'll know there's a *really* good reason why noone in the dune universe uses them.
Just back from it, I enjoyed it.
Saw it at imax. Loved it. Never seen the other film or read the book but tempted to read it now.
That's great news. 2023 is a long wait
Fantastic. Sci-Fi in the cinema like I haven't experienced in years.
What amazing world building and scene setting.
So, so good.
Hans Zimmer score as always a massive part of the film.
DV is an incredible film-maker with real attention to detail, and gives the audience credit for being intelligent.
9/10 for me. As pure a cinema experience as I've ever had.
Just a shame it was left hanging. Make it 4hrs and be done with it.
I enjoyed that, visually great, sound was great, characters were great. Ended just as it really got going.
Should have been called "Dune: Fellowship of the Spice"
I can't wait to see what they flesh out with the director's cut.
Watched it at home in 4K with my noise cancelling headphones on - loved it.
I've never read the book. I think I have watched the 1985 film at some point - but have no real memory of it.
Visually spectacular (but in a way that felt very natural)
the "world building" was very good - they got the wierd combination of futuristic/ancient civilizations bang-on - not sure how much of that is described in the book vs: defined by the director.
Great casting, and really great performances. The way that Rebecca Ferguson played her role was a bit inconsistent, but.... well, I'd happily watch 3 hours of her doing the crossword.
Soundtrack was amazing.
I thought Chalamet was good as the young prince - again, good casting. Easiest gig Zendaya ever had! Although I assume she is the co-lead in pt 2.
Story was great - you were able to understand what was happening without anything hugely contrived to try to explain what was going on.
I'm going to watch it again in the next few days I think..... can't remember wanting to do that for any films in recently (edit: Tenet and Greyhound last year)
The thing that irked me was the use of lasers in a couple of sequences.
It looks great, but if you’ve read the books you’ll know there’s a *really* good reason why noone in the dune universe uses them.
Lasers are most definitely used in the book and the resulting thermonuclear explosions are used as a strategic deterrent.
Watched it on Monday. I thought it was great. Thinking about going to see it again tbh.
The arabic wailing was sometimes a bit jarring and seemed unecessary but I understand they were using it to highlight pivotal moments of Paul's awakening that would otherwise be hard to spot.
Plenty of politics and culture cut out to make it work and Thufir Howatt seemed to have a tiny film part compared to the book.
The plot line following the Atredies suspicions of each other would probably have been too much for a modern audience on top of everything else.
It looks great, but if you’ve read the books you’ll know there’s a *really* good reason why noone in the dune universe uses them
What's that then?
Just a shame it was left hanging. Make it 4hrs and be done with it.
Same! Would have been happy with 5 tbh. Looking forward to the double bill
Has anyone seen it in IMAX? I'm thinking about watching it for a second time
Just seen it in the IMAX and really enjoyed it. May possibly go and see again, but will definitely adding to the 4k blu ray collection...
IMAX experience was great IMHO. I thought the film was really well handled, but I would have happily sat through another couple of hours of that world to bring in more from the book, the intrigues in the House of Atredies could easily have swallowed up an another hour that I'd have welcomes.
Looking forward to the greenlit part 2!
It looks great, but if you’ve read the books you’ll know there’s a *really* good reason why noone in the dune universe uses them
What’s that then?
This:
resulting thermonuclear explosions are used as a strategic deterrent.
When laser hits a shield it causes a massive (nuclear style) explosion.
In the butlerian jihad prequels, lasers weren't used as they were too inefficient and the interaction between shield and laser was discovered by chance and kept massively secret.
Has anyone seen it in IMAX? I’m thinking about watching it for a second time
Someone on page 2 had.
I saw that there's a 3D version at a nearby Cineworld. Wonder what that's like!
I haven't read the book(s) or seen any previous films.
It is visually very lovely.
A bit ponderous though. Too much 'Let's hold the camera on the actor's face and crank old Hans Zimmer up to 11 to REALLY EMPHASIZE this particular point'.
Dragonfly copters look very fragile.
Chappie's love interest has naff all to do other than look over her shoulder a lot in the dream sequences.
When young lad leaves his home planet, why are all the space ships parked under water (I have since learnt why, but I didn't get that from the film).
I'd watch part 2, but not sure I'd bother watching part 1 again.
Watched it at home in 4K with my noise cancelling headphones on – loved it.
How did you manage that then?
Watched it at home in 4K with my noise cancelling headphones on – loved it.
How did you manage that then?
HBOmax and a VPN
Watched it last night on the telly. Was quite good. Think it would have been better on the big screen with surround sound. The David Lynch version was better but part 2 may bring it up to match the original.
HBOmax and a VPN
Ah, I see. Cheers.
why are all the space ships parked under water (I have since learnt why, but I didn’t get that from the film).
Which sort of makes no sense really as they're spaceships; they need to be able to withstand either an atmosphere of one or an atmosphere of nil, so building them so that they can be parked underwater...But watching them slowly rise up was pretty cool, so I'll call it evens
Think it would have been better on the big screen with surround sound
Name a film that isn't
I haven’t read the book(s) or seen any previous films.
It is visually very lovely.
A bit ponderous though. Too much ‘Let’s hold the camera on the actor’s face and crank old Hans Zimmer up to 11 to REALLY EMPHASIZE this particular point’.
+1
Saw it last night. Undoubtedly a very good film with plenty of visually inventive things to look at and a refreshing lack of Hollywood clichés.
But it did feel a little like a perfume advert at times.
And while the sound was great, I couldn't hear what Paul was saying in some of the key scenes where there was a lot of background noise.
It did make me think how staggeringly awesome it would have been if Villeneuve had been given free rein with the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
I went last night with my Girls.
I had read the book as a Youth and was a fan of the original film, and thought this version was simply Epic more of a Lawrence of Arabia experience than the normal Hollywood action fodder churned out.
Both my Girls who had not read the book or knew what the plotline was about enjoyed the film, although I did have to answers question for 30 minutes afterwards about what had happened.
It will be an impatient wait until Part2 is filmed and released now.
desperatebicycle
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Think it would have been better on the big screen with surround soundName a film that isn’t
Spice girls film?
It did make me think how staggeringly awesome it would have been if Villeneuve had been given free rein with the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Kind of agree with that, but one of the most refreshing things about Dune (for me) was the pacing. So nice to not feel rushed, but not sure you’d get away with that to the same extent with Star Wars
Kind of agree with that, but one of the most refreshing things about Dune (for me) was the pacing. So nice to not feel rushed, but not sure you’d get away with that to the same extent with Star Wars
This may be heresy, but I did think Dune could have picked up the pacing a little bit here and there.
I've love to see Villeneuve do a Star Wars movie at something between Dune and normal Star Wars speed.
Or maybe just give him an epsiode of The Mandalorian's next series to do what he wants with.
Name a film that isn’t
Spice girls film?
Oh that's good!
Just seen it tonight, hadn't read the book or seen the old film.
i thought it was great, can see how some people might think it's a bit slow, but I liked it. Defo one for watching in the cinema though, really liked the shakey camera effects and the seats rumbling from the low bass.
looking forward to the 2nd. Might read the book.
Aye so I sat up to stupid o'clock reading the first 50 pages or so of the book last night. i think the film is a brilliant reflection of the book so far at least.
Saw it the other day, really enjoyed it, Villeneuve really does open up the world, same thing he did with Blade Runner 2049, thought the pacing was good and was definitely worth going to the cinema for.
From what i saw it was definitely wise to do 2 parts, probably with a bit more director cut stuff, it gave us those little bits to understand more, like the Sardaukar, Sisterhood, etc.
The big thing is how long will part 2 be to fit it all in!
argee
Full MemberThe big thing is how long will part 2 be to fit it all in!
I'm all in for a 4 hour epic! 😆 back to back would accept 7 hours.
Saw it last night. Really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the remaining episode’s
I loved the rave scene as well, wasn't expecting it ;o)
^^
"Righty-ho, what shall we do to get the lads all fired up for the upcoming scrap with House Atreides?"
"Get them to stand about in the pissing rain while some blokes slowly work their way round smearing them with blood?"
"Liking it so far but it just needs that extra something"
"I know, we'll have some geezer tell them 'dreams are messages from the deep' while they're standing about"
"Spot on. And that's why the Sardaukar are invincible"
Re part 1, “it begins” on the poster is a bit of a clue.
I thought it was stunning. Proper adult sci if which didn’t feel the need for loads of exposition. I’ve not read it since I was a teen but seemed true to the story and visualised in a way that felt right to me
Harry Potter: Desert Storm.
The sound design was very poor and I agree with Cha****ng's perfume advert comment. Read the first book ages ago, didn't hate it but it's not that interesting really.
Another nice little detail I spotted that was kind of in the book (implied I think); if you fire up argee's YT video, and go to 11 seconds in- the figures daubing blood on new Sardaukar are BG.
The Missionaria Protectiva get everywhere 🙂
Well I absolutely loved it
(caveat I'm a huge fan of the books - the first 6 anyway- & the lynch film)
It looked glorious, sound was a bit overbearing in places (clichéd desert/Arabic female singing) but I had no problem with hearing what was said
Atredies were all superbly cast, leads were great
Leto , Paul, gurney, Duncan, Jessica, didn't see much mentat action not sure about thufir
Was unsure about Keynes, but ended up liking the switch
Batusta was great as Drax/Raban, but as with harkonens in general 12 rating prevented them from being too horrific
Skarsgard seemed to be channeling Brando/colonel Kurtz
Liked Peter devries, but not much screen time but no one is Brad Dourif
Salusa Secundus and the sardaukar were brilliant, getting some strong warhammer 40k vibes
Did I say it looked gorgeous?
No way did it feel as long as it runs, I'd love to have seen more
Infact I'm gutted I have to wait 2? years to see the sequel and I'm sad that I'll never see Villeneuves vision of the later books: the Bene Tleilax or the Ixians
But excited to see what the Navigators & lovely Feyd are like
Read the books. Really love the Lynch movie. (The US edit is almost funny)
For me this remake was average and frustrating. So much character development lost with too much time spent on watching a girl walk in the sand. A dumbing down - Hollywood pap.
Feyd-Rautha won't be in the sequel. This version has (sensibly) dispensed with him and focused on Rabban instead. On re-reading the book it really struck me how little Rabban is actually involved in the action, he's mostly mentioned by other characters talking about him off doing this or that. In this movie he's front and centre as an antagonist and it works a lot better movie-wise in my opinion.
I really enjoyed it as entertainment.
Matrix and Ghostbusters reboots next (how good does Carrie Anne Moss look?)
Watched it last night at home with a mate.
Neither of us had read the books, and we sort of remembered the one with Sting in it, but our memories were so vague that we could have well been remembering scenes from Flash Gordon or Star Trek Wrath of Khan.
I enjoyed it a lot, it was handy having a 2nd person to help follow the plot, like others have said, the sound was hard for my middle-aged ears to separate the dialog from Hanz Zimmerman.
There's not a lot of story crammed into 2.5 hours, but it flew by.
I might watch it again in a couple of months, I'm sure I missed loads of it.
So much character development lost with too much time spent on watching a girl walk in the sand.
I think this reflects my thoughts too.
Definitely seems to have got a more-enthusiastic reception from the fans than from neutrals.
I did definitely enjoy it, but having then gone back to the David Lynch version it’s not really a patch on it. Somehow the original managed to get more in about the actual story than the new one which had twice as much time to tell us but somehow managed not to. Most of the characters are so much more bland in the new version.
I loved it.
I'm a big sci fi fan but have never read Dune and only remember patches of the Lynch film so came in fresh.
I like the pacing, grand sci fi needs room to breathe.
Here's hoping for more than just 1 sequel.
1 question - Are the big tube structures motherships or inter galactic gateways of some form?
1 question – Are the big tube structures motherships or inter galactic gateways of some form?
Heighliner? Fly your ships in, guild navigator gets wasted on spice & folds space. Before you know it you're a million miles from where you started.
“Get them to stand about in the pissing rain while some blokes slowly work their way round smearing them with blood?”
You could argue the rain was to deliberately contrast with the desert they would be going to...
guild navigator gets wasted on spice & folds space
I was a bit disappointed that we didn't get to see DV's interpretation of what a guild navigator would look like, I know they're not "central" to the story but it would've been cool to see.
You could argue the rain was to deliberately contrast with the desert they would be going to…
salus secundus is supposed to be the imperial prison planet, the conditions are so harsh and brutal that they produce warriors as tough as the fremen who live on their own harsh brutal planet
guild navigator gets wasted on spice & folds space
I was a bit disappointed that we didn’t get to see DV’s interpretation of what a guild navigator would look like, I know they’re not “central” to the story but it would’ve been cool to see.
A bit confusing this, during the sequence on Caladan where they hand over power to the Atredies, there are 5 humanoids in big robes & glass helmets filled with orange gas. When I saw it first I thought these were the Navigators, but the Emperor's herald chap says the party has 3 representatives from the Guild of Navigators with it. So maybe these 5 are trainee navigators and the 3 main ones are up in the heighliner still, having been completely mutated from the Spice and unable to walk about any more.
saw it on Friday, wow what a ride, okay I was a little bit worse for wear and somebit I felt like i was just holding on (it was very big and very loud), need to watch it again when I'm a little more compus
I see where they got that chant from...
Disappointed. It was not up to the standard of the Blade Runner sequel or Arrival. Too much dwelling on billowing in the wind and the sound/score is a bit generic and samey, like it was produced from one sample pack in a copy and paste that'll do manner.
saw it last night,
don't watch in a odeon, if its like the odeon near me, the film ends up with black bars top and bottom. What happened to the days when the cinema screen would change ratio to fit the film. I found it very distracting.
as for the film, it was enjoyable, but felt like a trailer stretched out to film length. Very little character development for any characters other than the protagonist.
Went to see it again and still enjoyed it....but...having read the book,I would have had them spend a bit more time on how important preserving and reclaiming water is to the Fremen,they could have added some details of that in to Paul's fight with Jamis.
When Paul and his mother are lost in the dessert,in the book this is a big change in power between them and she starts to fear what he will become.They just skipped over this in the film.
Finally,the Baron is a cruel,scheming and manipulative monster,they could have used some of the sand gazing time to build this up a bit more.
As said already,a mini series would probably be the only way to get all the detail in.
Will be interesting to see where part 2 goes.
So much character development lost with too much time spent on watching a girl walk in the sand.
I think this reflects my thoughts too.
Definitely seems to have got a more-enthusiastic reception from the fans than from neutrals.
Although ironically I think the groupies of whatever the walking-in-sand actress is called were upset at how little screentime she got!
I would have had them spend a bit more time on how important preserving and reclaiming water is to the Fremen
as someone who hasn't read the books, I thought this was well explained with the stillsuits, the tent and discussion on getting water from the dead
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bummer, that didn't work!