You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31589202
tut tut tut.
Sir Malcolm is paid £67,000 a year and he said telling the company he was not paid a salary was a "silly thing to say"."Of course I receive a salary as a Member of Parliament but I was referring to my business interests, from none of which I receive a salary. I receive payment for services I provide," he said.
He told the Daily Politics an MP's salary "sounds a lot of money to anyone earning less than that".
But he added: "The reality is that to anyone from a professional or business background earns considerably more than that."
I'm from a professional background and I earn well under half of his MP salary - is that him promising me a wage rise?
[quote=wanmankylung said]
I'm from a professional background and I earn well under half of his MP salary - is that him promising me a wage rise?
You need to buck your ideas up 🙂
He is right though. Anyone capable enough to get elected to parliament numerous times, hold multiple senior cabinet and shadow cabinet posts as well as be accepted to chair the Security and Intelligence Committee will be earning considerably more than £67,000 a year.
[quote=geetee1972 ]He is right though. Anyone capable enough to get elected to parliament numerous times, hold multiple senior cabinet and shadow cabinet posts as well as be accepted to chair the Security and Intelligence Committee will be earning considerably more than £67,000 a year.
£499,960.78 or thereabouts (apparently)
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/311418-conservative-party-suspend-whip-from-malcolm-ri****d-after-allegations/
He is right though. Anyone capable enough to get elected to parliament numerous times, hold multiple senior cabinet and shadow cabinet posts as well as be accepted to chair the Security and Intelligence Committee will be earning considerably more than £67,000 a year.
Unless you weren't in it for the money but firmly believed in serving the public for the sake of the greater good....
Well as a Minister he would be wouldn't he? They get at least another £45k on top of their MP's salary.
Unless you weren't in it for the money but firmly believed in serving the public for the sake of the greater good....
lol
I think it's incredible that these appprently intelligent people have a stranger offer them 5 grand a day to do something dodgy, they don't even bother to check out who they are?
Amazing! Just shows how blasé they are about it
I'll be very surprised and disappointed if Jack Straw turns out to be on the make.
He's a good fella.
I think it's incredible that these appprently intelligent people have a stranger offer them 5 grand a day to do something dodgy, they don't even bother to check out who they are?
They'll pull the good old "we gave them a ridiculous price because we knew they were undercover" bullshine.
I think it's incredible that these appprently intelligent people have a stranger offer them 5 grand a day to do something dodgy, they don't even bother to check out who they are?
Sure but that's not what happened is it Binners. He was having a conversation, not negotiating a fee. It was their first speculative meeting. If they actually had them agreeing a fee to do some work then this would be story that the press/C4 want it to be but it's a bit of lame duck at the moment that has only got traction because we're only a few months away from a General Election.
A good fella? Or a Goodfella? No he isn't! He's a [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/im-such-a-little-shit-reveals-jack-straw-2012092842988 ]little shit[/url] 😀
Based purely on his public persona, I always got the impression Straw was a straight arrow as well. But then there is much machination we won't see.
Deal should be they have no other interests, renumerate them in whatever way is required to compensate.
He's a spineless, unprincipled little weasel. A Blairite 'yes' Man. Who's happy to disregard the constituents who elected him, in favour of big corporate cheques.?Seems to be quite the thing in the Labour Party. So really he's a pioneer. Good for you Jack, you trailblazer.
Ri****d? He's a Tory. I'd expect nothing less.
Ri****d shoul have jacked and gone for a better paid job if he thought the money wasn't enough. That's Tory thinking, that is.
Well tell us what you really think Binners 😀
That's Tory thinking, that is.
Oh please; it's got less to do with your political persuasion and more to do with your motivation.
£67,000 is a decent wage but there's nothing wrong with wanting to earn more.
The most disappointing thing about all of this is that [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-questions_affair ]they've forgotten the lessons of the recent past.[/url]
I suspect Sir Malcolm won't be making an appearance in the "My Week" column in Saturday's Times, somehow...
It's another symptom of our system of representative democracy. As long as MPs have the freedom to do what they want then they're going to be open to conflicts of interest and corruption. If we had a more federalist system where MPs were delegates instead of representatives they'd have less opportunity for this sort of thing.
I still don't see why MPs salaries aren't means tested. It's fair to them all.
If it's their only job they keep all the cash.
If they have other income sources then the salary is reduce on a sliding scale.
I did write to my MP with this suggestion but don't seem to have got a reply..,
I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Nothing about Ri****d that we didn't learn well when he was our MP- sold out Rosyth in order to try and buy some southern votes. Same shit, different price.
[i]Unless you weren't in it for the money but firmly believed in serving the public for the sake of the greater good.... [/i]
And then unless really lucky (The 'Beast' maybe) you get incompetent fools...
[url= http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/nhs-contract-stoke ]And there's more![/url]
I'd feel sorry for Jack Straw, but he beat me to it and is *much* better at it than I could ever be.
More 'corrupt' politicians shocker.
when will we learn.
And there's more!
And more...
Why did Ri****d want dibs on the torture report, after being chairman of a private military (mercenary?) contractor during the Iraq War?
[img] 
:large[/img]
I've not seen the transcript with Straw so I don't know how immediate the work/role he was being offered was.. but isn't he retiring in a few weeks isn't he? (he stands down at the next election but Parliament is dissolved at the end of next month so he's only got 4 weeks of MP-ing left to do) So unless these recordings were made months or years ago or the work he was being offered was extremely immediate he'd be talking about work he'd do after he'd be doing as an ex-MP wouldn't he?
Heard a boombastic and unrepentant Ri****d on the radio this morning. He may not have broken parliamentary regulations but morally he could show a bit more humility.
He was also saying that we will not attract knowledgable businessmen and women into parliament if they are restricted to £60k. I know private companies can pay top brass 6 figure salaries if they wish, however plenty of people work for a fraction of that whilst knowing that an error at work can see people killed.
apparently straw made it clear he'd only be doing it after he stepped down as an MP
so while it exposes how easy it is to buy political influence in this country its not any worse than most lobbying, or peerages for part donors or buying a dinner with cameron, shoe shopping with theresa may etc
the ri****d thing is a bit different hes made no such assurances and sits on the intelligence/security comittee, is he chair? which seems questionable- wasnt he on the board of one of those dodgy iraq security contractors?
anyway wheres jivehoneyjive? i suspect there is an epic post and series of links coming our way
takes the heat off the telegraphover their own hsbc dodginess
Cut the number in half
Pay them properly
Ban any other jobs, full stop
That should be a start
ri****d getting a pasting on newsnight for damaging the intelligence security comitee's reputation, claiming that he had a lot of spare time, when former members say there is a huge amount of classified material to read
especially when the ISC ought to be focusing on IS and Russian issues right now
Ban any other jobs, full stop
Including ministerial jobs - (or the speaker who's a sitting MP)? What is a back bench MP supposed to do with the time that a front bench MP is being paid for?
binners - MemberHe's a spineless, unprincipled little weasel. A Blairite 'yes' Man. Who's happy to disregard the constituents who elected him, in favour of big corporate cheques.?Seems to be quite the thing in the Labour Party. So really he's a pioneer. Good for you Jack, you trailblazer.
Ri****d? He's a Tory. I'd expect nothing less.
Nail on the head. I totally agree.
Despite my deep dislike for Tony Blair it was actually Jack Straw that eventually convinced me that I could no longer support the election of a Labour government. I tolerated New Labour for a few uncomfortable months after Tony Blair first became leader but then the final straw, so to speak, was a speech made by Jack Straw in 1995 which totally convinced me that I had no longer shared any fundamental goals with the Labour Party - in the 1997 general election I canvassed for the LibDems under Charles Kennedy's leadership.
The irony of Straw saying in the recent revelations that he charges £5,000 for a speech wasn't lost on me - he will say anything if the price is right.
It should be remembered that Jack Straw stepped in to be Britain's warmongering Foreign Secretary when his predecessor Robin Cook bravely relinquished the appointment on moral and ethical grounds - he wasn't prepared to back a bloody unjustified war based on deliberate lies and misinformation.
Jack Straw had no such moral dilemmas - which says everything that you need to know about the self-serving opportunistic careerist.
Lets do a sweepstake on when Ri****d will be cast off the Intelligence and Security Committee...
There are several likely reasons Jack Straw is retiring:
a) [url= http://stopwar.org.uk/news/at-last-jack-straw-speaks-about-his-complicity-in-cia-torture-and-rendition ]His links to extraordinary rendition (torture) [/url]
b) The not toooo distant release of the Chilcot report
c) He was on Islington council when children were being [url= http://www.scotsman.com/islington-child-abuse-scandal-1-1811731 ]abused[/url] and trafficked from carehomes,
[url= http://www.****/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html ]including to Jersey[/url]...
d) As Justice Secretary, in 2008 (whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive), he had [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_child_abuse_investigation_2008#Criticisms_of_the_investigation ]jurisdiction over Jersey [/url] ignoring appeals to ensure justice was served,
e) He then went on to introduce a law that [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/justice-ministry-to-bar-parents-from-telling-their-own-stories-1622154.html ]proposed it would be illegal for children from carehomes to complain[/url]
Of course, if the [url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html ]current Government hadn't tried to cover abuse on Jersey up[/url], they'd be a lot less scrutiny of the entire establishment now... as it is, [url= http://www.sott.net/article/252813-Jimmy-Savile-scandal-exposes-pedophile-network-at-heart-of-British-establishment ]given allegations of Jimmy Savile, Edward Heath and kids being taken out to sea on Heath's yacht Morning Cloud[/url], never to be seen again and missing records throughout all authorities linked to the scandal, it appears The Home Office, The Privy Council and perhaps even the Monarchy have several questions to answer
Funnily enough, Ri****d is also deeply embroiled in a similar linked scandal...
@Jive- perhaps also mention f) He's 69 years old
e) doesn't seem to be that simple either- it was described as gagging them but in practice just seems to prevent them being identified by name.
Labour holding a vote on banning 2nd jobs tomorrow
naturally Tories and their limpdem lapdogs will oppose it
Ri****d to step down as an MP.
£67,000 is a decent wage but there's nothing wrong with wanting to earn more.
It's a wage that puts you in the top 3% of earners, so a bit more than "decent".
If you want to earn more, don't be an MP.
f) He's 69 years old
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/24/jack-straw-cash-for-access-job-senator-international_n_6741238.html?utm_hp_ref=uk ]Is that why he's taking a job with a firm he secured a £75,000,000 contract for after lobbying on their behalf[/url]?
Eh, I think he's doing that because he can. But there's a difference between sitting on an advisory board and being a full time MP. You are allowed to retire from that you know, it doesn't have to be because you're evil.
Don't get me wrong, there is many good MPs, but like his chum Tony Blair, Straw isn't one of them...
Neither is Ri****d, but we'll get to that later...
Never said he was a good MP either- actually I've no idea how he was as an MP but he was home secretary and they're all barking.
But as ever you're throwing a load of different webs together and tying them up with nothing. "70 year old man retires from government- proves there must be a conspiracy, there's no other likely reason"
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one...
You have to remember that as well as legal teams with vast resources, MPs are also surrounded by PR and spin doctors, who will sugar coat everything to protect the integrity of not only individuals, but the party as a whole.
This means the media can't report every last detail, both for legal reasons and their continued relations with the political elite.
With that in mind, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the reasons I've listed likely play a part in Straw's planned departure.
Ri****d's unplanned one is another story in itself...
According to the Guardian, Ri****d made £270,000 from his consultancy work last year
You have to remember that as well as legal teams with vast resources
To what exactly are you referring to here?
MPs are also surrounded by PR and spin doctors
I think you are confusing the higher echelons of party systems and MP's.
Out of interest how does the one Green MP fit into this view?
you take small snippets of truth - the parties employ spin doctors and then , ironically, spin this truth to the point where it no longer represents reality.
you take small snippets of truth
Oh the irony...
Aside from spin on your part, how is one Green MP in any way relevant here?
I have no idea how it is relevant to your point about MP's hence why I asked you.
Is this MP surrounded by PR and spin doctors and does she have legal teams [ note the plural] with vast resources?
Well, does she?
Is this MP surrounded by PR and spin doctors
No doubt~whether or not they are from the Green Party and acting in her interests is another matter...
does she have legal teams [ note the plural]
Oh, I see, so this is basically an exercise in pedantry... well done you!!
I was trying to see whether your statement was true or false. You said teams. Was it an error to say this or was it true?
Anyway it appears to be futile to ask you questions as you just duck and avoid them as this exchange has shown.
Your claim was at best overstated and at worst false.
Getting you to admit that would seem unlikely so I respectfully retreat.
Perhaps grammar isn't your strong point Junky,
You have to remember that as well as legal teams with vast resources, MPs are also surrounded by PR and spin doctors, who will sugar coat everything to protect the integrity of not only individuals, but the party as a whole.This means the media can't report every last detail, both for legal reasons and their continued relations with the political elite.
You seem to have confused the singular and plural:
A MP vs the collective MPs, as I used in the correct context, to convey true facts.
Shame to have to bring the matter down to such petty and trivial analysis, but if that is what it takes for you to comprehend, I'm only too happy to help.
I'll be back to boggle your mind with some more background to Ri****d in due course...
Obvious avoidance of the question is obvious.
Asking you a couple of simple question is singularly [ see what i did there] the most pointless thing on the internet
Forgive me I have learnt this time to just let you spout your true facts*
* see if you can work it out will you....chuckles
Blimey, you were on fire yesterday...
Being as it's not a question relevant to the topic and what I've written in the 1st place is accurate, I'm going to move on~ we could fart around straying off topic and arguing over nothing, but it's not really fair to other people who may have valid comments on the subject
So, back to Ri****d as promised:
I've already mentioned his role as chair of ArmorGroup during the Iraq war and the potential conflict of interest when he requested the CIA torture report.
Of further concern to his role on the Intelligence and Security Committee are:
a) [url= http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC163703/ABRAXA-LIMITED/directors-secretaries ]He shared directorship in a company[/url] with John Chilcot (who will hopefully be releasing his report before yet another war starts)
b) His Cousin is/was [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/leon-brittans-dead ]Leon Brittan[/url]
Until the Chilcot report is released, we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt, however, b) certainly raises questions...
This account came from documents taken by police in January 2013 which had been compiled by social workers from NAYPIC:
[img] 
[/img]
This along with several similar abuses and brushes with the law mean it is reasonable to assume intelligence services had an extensive dossier on Leon Brittan, not to mention other figures involved in the paedophile ring which used Elm Guest House, Dolphin Square, Military bases and other venues.
No doubt if Police had been provided with these intelligence documents when the scandal was 1st revealed publicly in 2012, there would've been many more high profile arrests of the political elite by now.
Ri****d could've ensured justice was served, but it appears he chose to protect the establishment, rather than the public interest.
The fact that Ri****d 1st came into Thatchers cabinet as a result of the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_affair#January_1986 ]Westland affair[/url] is interesting and raises questions over this [url= http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/defence-secretary-over-rules-advice-and-gives-a-jobs-boost-to-westland-ri****d-puts-britain-first-in-copter-deal-1.690862 ]deal when he was defence minister[/url]
Furthermore both Leon Brittan and an Heir to Westland Helicopters were both named as attending Elm Guest House on documents provided to police which only adds to the intrigue...
Admittedly, the Westland angle is a more tenous link than the fact Ri****d and Brittan were cousins and Ministers in Thatchers Cabinet.
The odds of Ri****d not knowing of Brittan's involvement in child rape are slim.
Of course, far beyond this, the footage that has led to Ri****d's standing down raises questions over the many deals he has conducted over the years.
Yowsers, [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/dec/12/whatjackstrawforgottomention ]Jack Straw is doubtless one of the devil's own[/url]
What will the future hold if such Orwellian trends continue?