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A French company gave up on tidal turbines last year.
Ah so I have to google it know.
Well after almost 30 years I’ve been to one gas explosion that had nothing to do with the home owners.
I’ll stick with gas for now.
i guess you didn’t read your link?
Well after almost 30 years I’ve been to one gas explosion that had nothing to do with the home owners.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/search?q=ne66
Would that have something to do with there being not that much mains gas to houses locally?
What did I miss? Or what do you think I missed, Drac?
I do watch the news. Now and then there are complete buildings blown up by gas leaks, for example:
and regular incidents big enough to make natioanl or local news. I ride with two insurance assesors. The reckon the most frequent sources of house fires are clothes driers which I fould surprising.
Just Googling for the causes of house fires gets:
http://www.patlabelsonline.co.uk/blog/10-common-causes-house-fires/
Gas bottles.
They make the news as their rare and dramatic so the media love them.
Shame the hundreds of houses around me are going up with no solar, crap insulation and cheap heating....
Sounds like a way for builders to save cash. If they overhaul the regs and force decent build quality at the same time it might be worth something.
That big one was mains gas.
Each to his own. I had the gas cut off then cut off and sealed (gas standard brazing) the pipe outside the bouse. Don't worry I disconnected the pipe from the meter before brazing.
It should certainly be accompanied with tougher standards for builds and energy, plenty of tech available that can make a huge difference to houses, at the social housing end of the scale it could also make for lower bills and costs for residents.
The savings from a planned shutdown of the gas infrastructure should be resonable too.
It would also address energy security issues before they becoming larger problems.
But realistically this is what big stable base load generation should enable - things like the planned nuclear stations could be delivering the power that lets us make these key decisions.
Edukator - your “big” explosion wasn’t a domestic premises, nor was it caused by a cooker. It would be like me pointing to this research:
And saying, see induction hobs are dangerous because the odds of dying from electrocution in the home are much higher. Instead, I’ll point to that and say: the odds of dying in ANY gas explosion are similar to being killed by a lightening strike. Now given that most explosions are not caused by gas hobs I can live with the risk. The report makes clear that the bigger risk from gas use comes from CO - I presume new builds all come with CO monitors as standard? And in any case the CO breakdown shows that CO from cooking in normal domestic premises (not campers, boats etc) is almost non existent (i’d Guess gas ovens rather than hobs would be more of an issue then).
Edukator, anecdote =/= data. Like we asked, where are the figures or are you just making stuff up?
The thread is about gas, gas is explosive and this results in explosions, and yes there's a CO risk too as Poly points out. That should be taken into consideration when deciding how to fuel a country.
You can't have a gas hob or gas central heating without a gas supply to a building so all my linked stuff is relevant. That building was a mix of domestic and business. The last I saw on TV they still hadn't worked out if the gas leak was in the domestic or business part or even if the gas had migrated from a mains leak outside the building.
I'm realy not making stuff up, Squirrelking, just linking stuff.
If you want stats just Google it as already suggested. You'll do better than me as teh vocabulary is identical in French so I just get French results no doubt based on IP.
Here's some recent stats for the US/
This is comical now.
😂
Will my BBQ* be banned
Will Hank hill be out of a job ?
* I know some of you can't distinguish between a BBQ and a gas cooker but it's there and they are very different things despite having the same fuel.
Whatever you connect to a gas supply, you need a gas supply. Gas is a dangerous fuel that geenhouses the planet. Ignore that at you peril.
I acknowledge there will be induction hobs out there that don’t have these limitations, but my research suggests they cost considerably more than other induction hobs and require dedicated high-amp supplies and certainly cost more than a gas hob.
That was our experience when considering what to put in our kitchen, we were having to move the gas pipe anyway so considered putting in an electric connection instead, but a nice gas hob was cheaper than the cheapest induction. We've since stayed in several rental places with induction hobs, I've not found one I can't hear buzzing yet and these appeared to be decent makes (neff, siemens etc.)
Yes, gas is very dangerous.
How do you square that off with DIYing a cap on your supply then?
How many gas explosions are a result of bad workmanship versus component failure?
Of that bad workmanship how much of it was undertaken by people with no training or qualifications that thought they knew what they were doing?
Just linking things.
And the principle greenhouse effect of methane (natural gas) is when it is released straight into the atmosphere. You can mostly thank anaerobic digestion of organic matter (landfill, flooded hydro schemes, cows ) for that.
I can hardly walk through town without houses exploding around me.
Drac is Michael Bay and I claim my (very charred) fiver!
Anyone mention cost. Electricity around 4 times the cost of gas per kWh.
More fuel poverty. Maybe increased winter deaths.
Don't think gas is as dangerous as people not affording to heat their homes
Dangerous stuff electricity I see there was a substation exploded on the news, that’s the same electricity that supplies your home.
Drac: "I can hardly walk through town without houses exploding around me."
LOL! 😀
Anyone mention cost. Electricity around 4 times the cost of gas per kWh.
More fuel poverty. Maybe increased winter deaths.Don’t think gas is as dangerous as people not affording to heat their homes
It's almost as if people think the entire country is connected to a gas main already...
As I said above you could make the change linked to renewables, insulation and battery storage in new builds rather than running a gas main to a new build estate. Though it also needs to be linked to long term sorting of baseload generation.
and yes there’s a CO risk too as Poly points out. That should be taken into consideration when deciding how to fuel a country.
I think you are misrepresenting what I said there. All fuel sources have risks and downsides. The explosion risk from gas cooking however is unbelievably small as evidenced from the link I posted earlier which is UK data and thus relevant to a proposed change to UK new build regs. The arguments against gas on environmental, political dependance on other countries etc are way stronger than your safety grounds. Can you accept that you perhaps overstated the risk of gas hob related death?
If Edukator thinks domestic gas poses a risk, just wait until we get hydrogen powered cars.
No, no, it'll all be electric. And all petrochemical products from the countless other fractions will instead be made from unicorn tears.
"Anyone mention cost. Electricity around 4 times the cost of gas per kWh.
More fuel poverty. Maybe increased winter deaths. "
I agree that fuel poverty is a bad thing so no argument there, but if we built houses properly and got serious about renewables (local and national) and investment in property battery arrays to reduce the impact on pricing demand them the cost of leccy need not be the problem. yes there are lots of ifs in that sentence!
we pump gas across how many thousands of KM to burn gas to heat water to sit in a metal tank that heats a room, surely we can do better than that..
Phew! Just survived cooking my lunch with gas. It’s the danger and excitement that brings adventure to cooking that I love.
We had a forest fire here at the weekend (yep, Scottish Highlands in February) caused by a falling electricity supply line. Bloody dangerous stuff this electricity!
We had a forest fire here at the weekend (yep, Scottish Highlands in February) caused by a falling electricity supply line. Bloody dangerous stuff this electricity!
It fell over because the electricity was generated from gas. Hydro electricity power lines stay upright.
We had a forest fire here at the weekend (yep, Scottish Highlands in February) caused by a falling electricity supply line. Bloody dangerous stuff this electricity!
Forests too all that combustible material in one place, it's the same material as people use to keep their homes warm.