[Closed] Have we done 'new BNP leader slashes children's bike tyres' yet?

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Here we go..

I don't understand how a BNP activist can ever be allowed to be a teacher, even if they don't slash children's bike tyres.

The BNP's attitude to "non-indigenous people", as they like to call black people, must mean that no black parent could ever have faith in their child being taught by a BNP activist. Surely ?

Good lord. Could they really not find anyone with less dirt on them for party leader?

Today in the news...

Man gets angry and over-reacts to a situation

(Ohh and he's in the BNP so it's okay to laugh and point).

Man gets angry.....................

The court was told Mr Walker was verbally abused by three boys aged 12, 11, and 10, and chased them in his car, before slitting the tyres on their bikes with a Stanley knife.

Recorder Ben Nolan described his actions as extremely dangerous, and said the teacher could have killed the boys had they fallen.

and over-reacts to a situation

And he's in the BNP..... 😆

It gets worse, but only slightly:
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/07/adam-walker-new-bnp-leader-convictions/

Here we go..

Gaww, yeah, it seems you can hardly chase some kids around in a landrover then slash the tyres of the bikes they abandoned in terror [i]at all[/i] these days without the pitchfork wielding PC mob bloody interfering. I remember when the whole country looked like a Constable painting, everyone did national service and werthers originals something something.

So, the scurrilous news is that he slashed children's bike tyres?

Why? Were the newspapers worried that the Jury might have been out regards whether [u]the leader of the BNP[/u] was a good guy or a bad guy until they found out about his tyre slashing past? 😆

I don't understand how a BNP activist can ever be allowed to be a teacher

Because we live in a country where the law gives us certain freedoms, one of which is that employees are protected from dismissal on grounds of political opinion or affiliation

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case

Well it's nice to see motoring offences being dealt with robustly for a change.

Because we live in a country where the law gives us certain freedoms

What about the freedom of black parents not to have their children taught by racists ? And white parents too btw.

It's not quite the same as being a bus driver is it ?

What about the freedom of black parents not to have their children taught by racists ? And white parents too btw.

Or the freedom not to have your children taught by gays, blacks, transvestites, Jews, Muslims, Women, Men, or anyone else [b]you[/b] don't happen to like the opinions of?

The EHCR seem to have considered this, and that one of the fundamental principles of equality is that anti-egalitarian opinions (such as racism, fascism or sexism) are as worthy of protection from discrimination as any other opinion.

Now, that doesn't mean that we should protect wrongful actions that may be motivated by these despicable views, such as race crimes, discrimination or abuse. It simply means that in a democratic society we should respect the right of people to have such thoughts and beliefs, even ones we find distasteful, as long as they are not actually doing anything discriminatory or illegal.

In the case of the bus driver, it seems clear that he never actually did anything wrong, there had been no complaints or concerns raised by his passengers or supervisor, his sacking was entirely based on his membership of the BNP.

I can see no problem with banning bigots from teaching, whether they be racist, homophobic, religious, or any other sort of bigot.

And I have no problem with "gays, blacks, transvestites, Jews, Muslims, Women, Men" teaching, why would anyone ? So I don't know why you mentioned them.

Anti-BNP bigots?

He'll be the only party leader in the country with any convictions.

Ba-doom-tish.

Recorder Ben Nolan described his actions as extremely dangerous, and said the teacher could have killed the boys had they fallen.

He was referring to when Walker, quote "[i]chased them in his car[/i]".

Do children always die when their bikes get punctures?

I suspect its probably the trying to run them over in a Land Rover that's the issue rather than trashing their bikes.

BNP are a bit of a non story now though aren't they? The scariest bit is that their previous supporters still exist but now feel comfortably represented by UKIP.

Okay, so do children always die when they fall off their bikes?

employees are protected from dismissal on grounds of political opinion or affiliation

johndoh - Member
Okay, so do children always die when they fall off their bikes?

It's a fairly common outcome when being chased by 3 tonnes of Landrover over a village green.

Well, as common as it is to be chased by a 4x4 across the village green anyway.

Okay, so do children always die when they fall off their bikes?

Obviously not. Although if they are being chased by someone in a car there is a chance they might be.

Which presumably is why the Recorder said the teacher "could have" killed the boys had they fallen.

You are more likely to die if you are being followed by a heavy vehicle? Surely the vehicle would at least need to hit you to cause an effect?

Junkyard - Police officers are not employees

Yeah OK johndoh, it's perfectly safe for someone in a car to chase kids riding bikes.

Well it clearly didn't kill them...

johndoh - Member
Okay, so do children always die when they fall off their bikes?

Read the quote. The recorder was worried that if they fell off then he might have killed them. Not that the fall would kill them. I suppose you had to get a range of accounts including width and condition of road and speed/distance from the boys to judge the likelihood of whether he would have been able to stop or swerve in time if any of them had fallen off.

I don't know why i am, bothering replying to this. Are you ninfan's even more contentious and contrary second login?

Junkyard - Police officers are not employees

What are they then?

The Recorder that wasn't there making assumptions about what might have possibly happened...

Backpedalling already?
Were you there at the hearing to check whether these were assumptions or judgements?

Do you understand the difference?

I wasn't. Were you? Did you see the incident just like the Recorder didn't? Nope, thought not.

Junky - Crown servants, since they hold the office of Constable

See, we all learn something every day 😛

What sort of " dangerous driving" gets one a twelve month ban even when you plead guilty?

[edit]: and what sort of threatening behaviour gets you a six month suspended sentence on a guilty plea? And what makes you think that the magistrate that sentenced him was there at the scene to make his judgement, and how do you think they arrived at that judgement(ie of how serious an offence and so what sentences/bans to hand down) if they were not? Again, you do understand the difference between assumption and judgement don't you? [/edit]

Perhaps someone will find us a report of what the court heard in that case. Is it conceivable that this information was used in his hearing at the teachers council? Remember this is a professional body with amongst other things, a duty to protect the public (and in this case children) from its own members.
This (sharing of full details of court hearing and conviction) would certainly be the case for fitness to practice hearings at the medical and nursing equivalents. And fwiw as a childrens nurse I would expect to be struck off forever for that sort of criminal conviction' not just for two years. Fwiw the article seems to suggest both a 2 year and lifetime ban in the actual text.

In fact his political persuasions are irrelevant in his criminal conviction and his being struck off. I suppose the story is that someone with such a recent conviction should be the leader of a well known political party with (formerly) mep's and councillors. Or that the media think this information is newsworthy and in the voters and public's interest to know.
I can't understand which of those things it is you seem to object to jonhdoh

I can't understand which of those things it is you seem to object to jonhdoh

He misread the article and thought the Recorder had said that "children always die when their bikes get punctures".

[quote=julianwilson ]What sort of " dangerous driving" gets one a twelve month ban even when you plead guilty?

Most sorts I'd imagine, given that's the minimum ban, and the majority of driving offence cases I've looked at, a sentence somewhere close to the minimum for the sentencing range is imposed. Or maybe that's only when you kill a cyclist?

He misread the article

[i] it is still nonsense that the Recorder actually said that he could have killed the boys[/i]

so you don't think he increased the risk of them being killed by his actions in a motor vehicle?

Increased the risk yes, no doubt. Any action increases potential risk but any resultant outcome is merely speculation. He could have swerved, hit a tree, then found hidden treasured buried under it. But he didn't.

I simply do not understand what the Recorder thought they were adding by saying he could have killed them - quite simply he didn't kill them, he followed them in his car and drove dangerously. We all accept that. I am not defending his actions, I have issue with the sensationalist comment by the Recorder.

what a strange argument?

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*actually, I won't bother.

adds johndoh to the list.

Doesn't anyone else find it a little strange that the BNP leader lived in Japan for years? So the guy who wants Great Britain to be the sole preserve of indigenous people doesn't extend that to the Japanese in their own country.

Increased the risk yes, no doubt.

Which is basically all it said... The children were more at risk from being killed as they were being pursued by someone in a car than they would have been were they not bring pursued...

+1 for 'weird argument'

[i]Doesn't anyone else find it a little strange that the BNP leader lived in Japan for years? [/i]

Applying logic to members of the BNP's life choices and actions is never going to lead to a satisfactory conclusion.

[b]John Doh[/b] - I can see where you are coming from now.

Just raises a few more questions though.

Should a teacher be more able to reasonably deal with gobby kids than other landrover drivers?

How rude does a child need to be before it is acceptable for a teacher to chase them in a landrover?

In pursuit of full disclosure, it would be interesting to know from which ethnic group the children belonged, and if this affected the targeting of child by landrover driving teacher.

ALSO - I imagine there are some aspects of Japanese culture that would seem very attractive to someone like this.

Not only did these children get chased by a very angry man in a landrover but the fact he had a Stanley knife and slashed their tyres was probably a mitigating factor. Should really feed the trolls though!

we all learn something every day

You are often a source of useful information so cheer for that.

I guess nobody knows where his head was that day, sometimes we all snap and some of us snap more spectacularly than others. And perhaps the kids used his position as a teacher to think they could get away with behaving badly towards him.

I bet that, if nothing else good comes of it, the gobby little shits might just think a little harder next time before winding someone up...

And perhaps the kids used his position as a teacher to think they could get away with behaving badly towards him.

I'm not sure, were you there, or are you just making an assumption?

perhaps

Junkyard - no, I think my 'learn something every day' comment may have come across more sarcastic than it was intended - I actually think the whole 'office holder' concept is quite fascinating, like the fact that police officers cannot be made redundant, and cannot be ordered to arrest anyone - particularly given that both sides seem to have been moving towards a more employer/employee relationship.

I think that makes it clear I was making an assumption. No?

The Recorder that wasn't there making assumptions about what might have possibly happened...

I wasn't. Were you? Did you see the incident just like the Recorder didn't? Nope, thought not.

Just double checking, it's okay for you but not the court official who heard the evidence?

I'd say so yes, as I am in a chat forum discussing it, not making an official public statement about what might have happened.

🙄

You still have not given an answer on these questions though:

Should a teacher be more able to reasonably deal with gobby kids than other landrover drivers?

How rude does a child need to be before it is acceptable for a teacher to chase them in a landrover?

I covered those questions here...

I guess nobody knows where his head was that day, sometimes we all snap and some of us snap more spectacularly than others.

I think you are just ducking the issue really.

Think what you like, you are just trying to make this escalate even further into a sillier argument and I really haven't got the patience to deal with that today. Go find someone else to argue your day away with.

sometimes we all snap and some of us snap more spectacularly than others.

I mean - it's unreal - why are the courts even wasting their time with this petty nonsense?

I enjoyed the BBCs choice of pictures in their article on Nick Griffin resigning..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28408039

I'm just trying to figure out what kind of person thinks this is an acceptable reaction?

Amanda Rippon, prosecuting, said the incident followed a St George’s Day march in Spennymoor , County Durham, in April, last year.

The boys, aged from ten to 12, had been “ticked off” earlier over their use of a bouncy castle outside the Green Tree pub, in nearby Tudhoe.

When they saw Walker, 43, removing bunting from his car with a Stanley knife they verbally abused him, wrongly thinking he was coming to chase them away again.

Walker set off after them and at one point drove his Land Rover over the length of the village green, behind one of the boys.

With a little bit more detail, as above, let us [i]assume[/i] there were some independent witnesses available.

What could a child say that would make a man [i]snap[/i] and try to run them over?

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[i]What could a child say that would make a man snap and try to run them over? [/i]

In this case "I think a multi cultural and multi racial Britain actually enhances the quality of life for all".

sometimes we all snap and some of us snap more spectacularly than others.

Exactly the attributes we like to see in a potential future Prime Minister.

Exactly the attributes we like to see in a potential future Prime Minister.

Or teacher to be fair.

I would love to see the potential candidates for the job that they passed over before settling on this guy. When someone who has been struck off for life by their profession is the best choice there is to lead your party, you know you are in a bucket load of strife!

Just to go off on a slight tangent, I know a guy who was driving along one day when a group of little scrotes took it into their heads to pelt his car (restored, pride and joy) with stones. He spun round the next roundabout, drove back, crossed the pavement on to the steep grassy bank and ran one of them over.

The police turned up to interview him and basically applauded his actions as the kid involved had a huge string of previous but was untouchable due to his age. No charges brought.

True story. I'll just leave that there.

[i]No charges brought.[/i]

often the way when a vehicle is used as a weapon (the bloke in the original post compounded the problem by using a knife)

if he'd hit the kid with a hammer it may have been a different story.

A little more background information

ST GEORGE'S DAY MARCH, SPENNYMOOR
For the avoidance of doubt, Spennymoor Town Council would like to make the following points clear in relation to the above event:-

There was no degree of co-operation between Spennymoor Town Council and any Organisation or Individual involved in connection with the march.

The St.George's flag was flown as a matter of normal procedure, as it has been in previous years, and not at the specific request of any Organisation or Individual in connection with the march.

Spennymoor Town Council will only co-operate with Organisations that are in full compliance with all regulations issued by Durham Constabulary and Durham County Council in connection with such a march.

As far as Spennymoor Town Council is concerned, the "Spennymoor Branch of the English Cultural Society", does not, in reality exist.*

* Explanatory note
The "Spennymoor Branch of the English Cultural Society" is believed to be a facade for recruiting support for the BNP as described in the published BNP "Activists & Organisers Handbook".

Alison Nunn, prosecuting, told the court that in police interview, the children, aged 11 and 12, described being “terrified” during the alleged incident.

She said: “These three children gave evidence that whilst they were at a fun day they were told to leave and to get off the bouncy castle. They say that Adam Walker chased them in his vehicle. He pursued them across the green in his Land Rover whilst they were on their bikes.”

She also described Walker doing a “handbrake turn” in the direction of the children. Ms Nunn added: “It is then said he had a knife with him and he has brandished the knife.

“One of the children is clear in his police interview that Adam Walker put that knife to his face and made a threat.”

She also described Walker doing a “handbrake turn” before flicking the Vs, lighting a doobie and cranking up "Their Law" by the Prodigy

True story. I'll just leave that there.

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Just to be clear the Recorder's assertion will have been a judgement based on actual evidence, Johndoh's comment is not. Had the Recorder passed sentence on an assumption unsupported by evidence he would be at risk of a) appeal b) not progressing beyond being a Recorder.

[i]not progressing beyond being a Recorder.[/i]

That tantalising 'Oboe' role forever out of reach 🙁

lol

Or the freedom not to have your children taught by gays, blacks, transvestites, Jews, Muslims, Women, Men, or anyone else you don't happen to like the opinions of?

Being gay is bad, in the same way that racism is bad and being black is bad.

So he went over there and took a locals job for six years.

BNP-bashing is boring. They have every right to their beliefs. They are proud of their country and obviously just want to keep something preserved.

And for all we know these kids could have been disgusting prejudiced little d***heads and deserved at least a tyre slashing! Partial reporting as ever, though that's all it takes for simple thinkers to get sharpening their tridents!

If three little kids verbally abuse you in the street you suck it up.

A stanley knife. Hes lucky he wasnt dealt with more seriously.

Partial reporting as ever, though that's all it takes for simple thinkers to get sharpening their tridents!

I think the information from the actual court hearing shed better light on it to be fair.

Again, i think his political affiliations are irrelevant, that sort of behaviour (in front of so many witnesses!) shows a significant lack of self control for any adult regardless of the circumstances and regardless of any degree of provocation, and especially towards 11 and 12 year olds. If i or anyone i knew did similar i would not be at all suprised at the driving ban and suspended custodial sentence.

And again, his political affiliations are irrelevant to his being struck off as a teacher. If one of your kids teachers was only suspended for 2 years for an offence of that nature involving children that age, you would be appealing about it. If not for the possibility that that teacher might return to teach your children, then for whichever other children he might teach. Again as a registered professional working with children the original 2 years seems inadequate to me and being banned for life/struck off altogether seems proportional to the criminal offence and risk of similar events in the future given the hard time that teachers get from their students/pupils these days.

I am wondering what the precedent (if there is one) is for secretaries of state to intervene in disciplinary/fitness to practice hearings of professional bodies. You can appeal against a sentence in a criminal court because you think it is too lenient whether or not you had any involvement in the crime: obvious example being stuart hall, where many people who had nothing to do effectively went over the judge's head to appeal to get a longer sentence. Who do you go to when a professional body (lets say the GMC for example) does not in your opinion act strongly enough?

Gove clearly had nothing to fear from the BNP politically, i think if his ear was bent about this, then it was about his own position and responsibility as secretary of state, not party politics; BNP are not the force they were since the far right has been split into so many smaller ways.
If it was a prominent ukip person in the firing line then this might have been a story!

for all we know these kids could have been disgusting prejudiced little d***heads

They are proud of their country and obviously just want to keep something preserved.

they are people who judge people based on racial identity and they deserve to be bashed, as do their trolling apologists, for being stupid thick inward looking small minded bigoted racist ****s

Surely the point is that it's a massive turn-off for voters to think that an infantile, bullying, over-reacting thug like this could be in a position to lead the country?

Plus of course, what Junkyard said. 🙂

glasgowdan - Member

And for all we know these kids could have been disgusting prejudiced little d***heads and deserved at least a tyre slashing! Partial reporting as ever, though that's all it takes for simple thinkers to get sharpening their tridents!

So not for the first time in the thread... What would have made it OK for a grown man to chase 2 pre-teens across a village green in a 4x4 then slash their tyres?

**** the kids tyres. NO ONE picked up on the irony?

Its ok for him to go and take someones job/work in a foreign country for SIX years but back home he fights for his voters rights not to have this?

are we sure it was a Stanley knife and not a very very small samurai sword he'd brought back with him?

[s]Hora no one is expecting the BNP to have well thought coherent polices and/or not be hypocrites[/s]

he was following the ancient and noble British tradition of attempting to educate the savages by depriving them of their resources and keeping them for himself.