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JK Rowling will be happy to know that, if she's ever down to her last Million and looking for a new home, she lives rent-free in Cougars head.
MOD- a reminder to keep this on topic please, else the thread will be closed.
“Yeah but what about the hurty words a women wrote”
It's easy to underestimate the impact of her campaigning on the young people who grew up with her as a cultural linchpin. People who loved her work, were enveloped in it even, at a key stage of their life... now to hear her turn on them. The jokes about "hurty words" ignore her status, her importance, and the damaging impact of what she says. The discussion got into the separation of work and creator. For a generation that thorny issue always brings her up. For my generation it's probably Morrissey, for very different reasons, but we were lucky enough to be old sods by the time he became so, er, vocal. Neither are criminals. Neither have done the equivalent of what Gaiman is accused of. It's not about equivalence... it's just that their names come up when the work/creator issues come up.
Cougar seems to be the very personification of male entitlement; in a discussion of violence against women and girls the only contribution is “Yeah but what about the hurty words a woman wrote”.
Not sure that’s true as here in his own words on another thread that got closed down.
I tolerate homosexuals, trans people, foreigners, immigrants, Trekkies, Christians, vegans, furries.
See he ‘tolerates’ others so we can all rest easy safe in the knowledge of his infallibility. After all I did read he was once a mod on here.
Peace out.
Well if one thing has been proven there is no 'debate'.
This only started because I wanted to talk about the art vs the artist, I'm honestly sorry I did, not because of any offence caused by what I said but for the ugly shit that has since been poured into this thread.
I'm peacing out. Out of this thread and possibly the forum. This isn't the place it once was and quite frankly I'm not sure I'm happy being a part of somewhere with such a nasty and intolerant undercurrent.
Between this thread and others where trolls are just allowed to shitpost I don't think anyone in a position of authority actually gives a toss as long as the engagement is kept up and the clicks are generated. Funny how a few sweary words will earn you a ban lest you upset ad partners but threads like this run on with impunity. Note added: to be clear I'm not talking about tjagain.
This only started because I wanted to talk about the art vs the artist, I’m honestly sorry I did, not because of any offence caused by what I said but for the ugly shit that has since been poured into this thread.
We're talking about a suspected rapist which then segued into a conversation about other unpleasant people. The thread derailment is on me and I apologise for that, but you can't have an argument in an empty room. I've said "Gaimen, then?" several times over and no-one else seems interested in returning to the topic.
I’m not sure I’m happy being a part of somewhere with such a nasty and intolerant undercurrent.
What do you feel we should be being more tolerant of?
Funny how a few sweary words will earn you a ban
Lies.
lest you upset ad partners but threads like this run on with impunity.
You'd prefer more robust censorship?
What order should I read NG books? Is it best to start at the beginning ie first published book written or can I read them in series? Do any characters span all the books he has written?
What order should I read NG books? Is it best to start at the beginning ie first published book written or can I read them in series? Do any characters span all the books he has written?
The ‘Sandman’ books/graphic novels are a series, although they can be enjoyed individually, some characters like Death have their own books, many of NG’s books are standalone stories. He started writing graphic novels and comics, before expanding into actual novels.
I know something of what he’s been accused of, but accusations are just that, a court of law is where the real facts should be taken and judgement passed, not the court of public opinion.
FWIW, I’ve read most of what he’s written, and own most of it, and much of what I own I’ve had personally signed by him, including one book he co-wrote with Sir Terry Pratchett, who also signed it for me. I haven’t read any for a while, mainly because I’ve just got so many books that I haven’t read yet, but I will read them again, because I can separate the work from the artist, in the majority of cases - there are many great paintings in galleries that I can appreciate as works of art, but the artists were often pretty horrible people, Picasso being one example, there were plenty more in the late 19th, early 20th century.
What order should I read NG books? Is it best to start at the beginning ie first published book written or can I read them in series? Do any characters span all the books he has written?
What is it about the man multiply accused of sexual assault that makes you think "that's an artist I need to read"?
I dunno, friends - this place does seem to have taken a dark turn.
I’ve said “Gaimen, then?” several times over and no-one else seems interested in returning to the topic.
That's because the preceding paragraph has been "the last word" on another argument.
If you continue that another argument, then casually toss in three words that summarise the original thread title, you're helping continue that another one, and not really trying to return the thread to topic.
You're capable of putting together intelligent replies on a wide range of stuffs, but sometimes need to just let the other shit go.
Mod - we feel this thread has run its course, so closing.