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I suppose it is playing to peoples sense of karma suggesting that a rapey man gets raped.
I suppose it is playing to peoples sense of karma suggesting that a rapey man gets raped.
Assuming he's guilty (we don't know that) two wrongs don't make a right. Considering the subject matter, fantasising about prison rape is pretty sick IMO.
Assuming he’s guilty (we don’t know that) two wrongs don’t make a right. Considering the subject matter, fantasising about prison rape is pretty sick IMO.
On an intellectual level, I agree.
And yet for some reason I can't seem to give a shit. Weird.
And yet for some reason I can’t seem to give a shit. Weird.
I agree that fantasising about rape is weird.
That's the thing about rights: they extend to people we don't like.
Assuming he’s guilty
Based on the fact that he has been arrested, charged, held on extended remand, and had all his assets seized, I am assuming that there is considerable evidence against Andrew Tate. Since I won't be on the Romanian jury considering his case, and because my burden of proof does not need to be particularly high, I am prepared to believe that his is in all probability guilty.
Plus what is undisputed, even by Andrew Tate himself, is that he is a self-proclaimed misogynist.
Personally I would not express satisfaction at the thought of Tate being the victim of the very same crime which he is most likely guilty of, but I wouldn't suggest those that do are "fantasising about prison rape" or think rape is funny.
I do derive a certain amount of satisfaction though that the self-proclaimed misogynist is in what undoubtedly must be the rather masculine environment of a Romanian jail.
but I wouldn’t suggest those that do are “fantasising about prison rape” or think rape is funny.
Comments on this thread about prison showers etc are precisely that.
We'll have to disagree on that one.
I think those photographs of Nigel Farage walking away from a plane crash are hilarious. Do I think plane crashes are funny? No not really.
Edit: I particularly liked the photo of Nigel Farage when he was still entangled in the wreckage of the plane.
I admire how whoever took the photographs had presence of mind to take them before considering helping him.
he's made a right ol' bed to sleep in 🙂 , last place you want to go after boasting about your wealth (then having it siezed with all that protection he'll have to pay for).
That’s the thing about rights: they extend to people we don’t like.
True. Although I'm not sure anyone has the right not have people fantasise about random people raping them in prison.
I mean, I get why you said fantasise but do you honestly reckon people are sitting here fapping themselves silly while reading this thread? Is that what you're fantasising about as you scold the naughty contributors to this thread?
Actually, don't answer that, I don't want to know.
I dunno, perhaps we've all been reading about the Met too much and have become desensitised to sexual violence and the only way to cope with the overload is to make jokes about a huge contributor to this horrifically misogynistic world we've found ourselves living in with his stupid wee face screwed up in agony as he services his 16th client that day for his new owner.
True. Although I’m not sure anyone has the right not have people fantasise about random people raping them in prison.
No-one has said otherwise.
I mean, I get why you said fantasise but do you honestly reckon people are sitting here fapping themselves silly while reading this thread? Is that what you’re fantasising about as you scold the naughty contributors to this thread?
Interesting extrapolation that I think says much more about you than me.
Actually, don’s answer that, I don’t want to know.
If you didn't want me to answer, you would've deleted the question.
Hopefully people will stop joking about rape.
is a good point
Interesting extrapolation that I think says much more about you than me.
Are you asking if I'm sitting here fantasising about you fantasising about other posters fantasising about Andrew Tate getting raped?
I'll never tell *Nudge winky emoji strawberry emoji orange emoji
Are you asking if I’m sitting here fantasising about you fantasising about other posters fantasising about Andrew Tate getting raped?
No.
If he suffered from a tragic accident whilst awaiting sentencing then I’d give precisely zero ****s
I dunno, perhaps we’ve all been reading about the Met
Yeah I was going to make a joke about Tate and the met but decided against it as bad taste.
When I was younger would have enjoyed the just deserts but these days... Life isn't that simple anymore, nothing is. Wishing rape on someone who raped, doesn't work, satisfies nothing, achieves nothing, it's a worthless pastime.
I get why you said fantasise but do you honestly reckon people are sitting here fapping themselves silly while reading this thread?
like perversions, not all fantasies are sexual
They probably are when the fantasies involve rape. As in "fantasising about prison rape”.
But nevertheless a good point, I regularly fantasize about hot buttered toast, especially on the final leg of a cold bike ride.
In a completely non-sexual way of course.
Anyone considered that inmates might identify with him or even consider him a role model and that he becomes popular?
Yep likely if he does go to prison. My fear is that he gets off and becomes even bigger.
My fear is that he gets off and becomes even bigger.
Isn't that what he's been doing for years?
They probably are when the fantasies involve rape. As in “fantasising about prison rape”.
probably not actually; rape has hardly anything to do with sex, it’s all about power, I suspect especially so in the case of prison rape. Subjugation, control and power are the names or the game there.
If he suffered from a tragic accident whilst awaiting sentencing then I’d give precisely zero ****
Hold your horses he’s not been found guilty of anything yet !!!
Isn’t that what he’s been doing for years?
Yep..
I do like the usual defence thou that he’s just portraying a social media character and isn’t like it in real life.
The whole operating in Romania raises a red flag for me, I think he’s overestimated how much he could get away with/buy himself out of or not 🙁
Hold your horses he’s not been found guilty of anything yet !!!
Even if he's never touched a woman inappropriately in his life, based on the fact he's set up a Rape Culture University and fostered violently misogynistic attitudes in thousands of men across the world, I would give zero shits if he wound up dead tomorrow.
rape has hardly anything to do with sex
Except for the bit that involves sex. Rape is always classed as a sex crime. Sounds daft to ignore the sexual nature of rape.
Even if he’s never touched a woman inappropriately in his life, based on the fact he’s set up a Rape Culture University and fostered violently misogynistic attitudes in thousands of men across the world, I would give zero shits if he wound up dead tomorrow.
I don’t disagree and we should be wondering why we allow this and how it has been allowed to continue.
If his clogs were popped they would soon be refilled by another grifter.
It seems my flippant comment has upset a few.
I appreciate it's difficult to judge intended tone on forums sometimes... However being accused of fantasising about rape is one hell of a stretch of the imagination.
They probably are when the fantasies involve rape. As in “fantasising about prison rape”.
i think to be a sexual fantasy would need to sexually arouse the person having the fantasy, not just be a fantasy where someone is involved in a sex act.
A fair point. Only I have absolutely no idea if anyone is “fantasising about prison rape”, or if they are, whether it's turning them on.
I haven't accused anyone of fantasing about anything so I haven't given it much thought.
Edit: I do agree with mattyfez's comment though:
However being accused of fantasising about rape is one hell of a stretch of the imagination.
However inappropriate mattyfez's comment might have been it's really stretching it to suggest that he is "fantasising" about rape.
Your fantasy about toast has really disturbed me Ernie. Will someone pass the bleach please. I cannot get it out of my mind 🙂
It seems my flippant comment has upset a few.
Indeed, and I’d be surprised if you weren’t equally surprised that it might. If you think that it’s difficult to measure the tone of someone’s post, then perhaps you might take a second to think about how a written post might be interpreted before you actually post it.
Also, maybe consider that while the forum is mostly male, there might be the odd female who reads your post and finds it either offensive in general, or even worse triggering due to personal experience, be that experience of rape itself or or other sexual assault. And further removed, it may be read by a man who has a sister, partner, wife, daughter or mother who has been subjected to some kind of assault. It may even be being read by a male who’s been raped or sexually assaulted in some way. You’re aware that there are men in prison for relatively minor crimes who are subjected to sexual assault - does their struggle merit the jocular reference?
Look, not having a go*, but just have a think before you post something. A contrite withdrawal of the comment (we’ve all hit “post” before thinking at some point) would sound better than the “sorry if you’re offended” approach used by so many these days.
*I’ve just read back and indeed, it does sound like I’m having a go, but really, I’m just asking to have a think about what one writes.
I will confess I nearly wrote a post that would have been similar to mattyfez's post. Just managed to stop in time
For you TJ
However being accused of fantasising about rape is one hell of a stretch of the imagination.
This is what you said:
Hopefully it’ll be like Shawshank redemption. The more you struggle the more they like it.
No imagination required.
No imagination required
Yeah it might have been an inappropriate comment but then imo so is the use of the word "fantasising".
I am hoping that Nadhim Zahawi will be forced to resign in the next couple of days. Would it be appropriate to say that I am having fantasies about it?
I can assure you that I am not.
Yeah it might have been an inappropriate comment but then imo so is the use of the word “fantasising”.
To fantasise is to imagine something you would like to happen.
I am hoping that Nadhim Zahawi will be forced to resign in the next couple of days. Would it be appropriate to say that I am having fantasies about it?
Yes.
Well this has taken a turn. You can hope something without giving it any thought whatsoever. A fleeting thought can be just that and not fantasising. The latter would take some effort.
To fantasise is to imagine something you would like to happen.
True, but you have to admit, in common usage fantasise normally has sexual connotations. Much of Tate's success came from encouraging young men to act on their violent sexual fantasies.
I think you wanted to score points by linking the obvious payback people want to see inflicted on Tate to sexual fantasies.
You wanted to seem like the bigger man by ridiculing others for sitting in their rooms furiously masturbating to the image of Tate's stupid wee face screwed up in agony as he was roughly ridden while his new prison daddy looked on approvingly.
The simple fact is, if you rape someone there is a 99.75% chance that you are going to get away with it (and that's not even an exaggeration).
So when it looks like one of these scumbags is actually going to get convicted, they tend to become the focus of all our frustration that 400 other scumbags will never see the inside of a cell.
Punishing a single scumbag 400 times as badly does nothing for society but 'fantasising' about it makes people feel slightly less shit about the ****ed up state of our world for a minute.
Overall, hoping Tate has the roughest most painful time possible in prison (sexual or otherwise) is so far down my list of things I give a shit about it makes me deeply suspicious of where someone who does brings it up's sympathies actually lie.
To fantasise is to imagine something you would like to happen.
Then it seems I'm fantisising that, should he be found guilty, he have a really bad time in jail, and I make no apology for wishing ill of a rapey grifter.
You wanted to seem like the bigger man by ridiculing others for sitting in their rooms furiously masturbating to the image of Tate’s stupid wee face screwed up in agony as he was roughly ridden while his new prison daddy looked on approvingly.
Again, your comment says much more about you than it does about me. But thank you for proving my point about fantasies.
I see we've reached the point where you and others are denying dictionary definitions to defend your position. It's beyond pathetic.
You can hope something without giving it any thought whatsoever
No you can't. That is literally impossible.
Well this has taken a turn.
Yup, I'm fantasising that the thread will get back to the subject matter.
Again, your comment says much more about you than it does about me. But thank you for proving my point about fantasies.
Actually, you're going to have to come out and say what you think this says about me because I've got no idea. Your innuendo and obfuscation means that no one has any idea what you really mean and you're hiding behind 'dictionary definitions' to avoid admitting to what you tried to imply.
Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean in plain English and hopefully we can escape this particular circle of hell.
Actually, you’re going to have to come out and say what you think this says about me because I’ve got no idea.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
Tsk tsk. You're a naughty boy.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
That kind of illustrates the point very well - when you make accusations of fantasization, for me you're wilfully suggesting that there IS an element of sexuality, particularly when accusations are made that forum members are fantisising about the rape of Tate. To then hide behind the dictionary definition just seems somewhat of a cop-out.
That you devote a considerable amount of time considering the details of and derive some degree of sexual gratification at the thought of Andrew Tate being violently raped in prison?
Tsk tsk. You’re a naughty boy.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to get ransos to come out and say.
Instead he's going on about 'dictionary definitions'.
Indeed, and I’d be surprised if you weren’t equally surprised that it might.
To be totally honest I was simply trying to be provocative to make a point. People like him make me very, very angry. My 'shawshank' comment was in very bad taste and I appologise for any offence caused. I wouldn't wish sexual exploitation on anyone.*
*Apart from Andrew Tate
I'll grab my flame proof jacket and run for cover.
Yes, that’s what I’m trying to get rasnos to come out and say.
Instead he’s going on about ‘dictionary definitions’.
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To then hide behind the dictionary definition just seems somewhat of a cop-out.
Good grief. Using a word in the way it is meant to be used is now a cop out? Get a grip.
Listen, if you want to infer something I haven't said, knock yourself out. I will stick to what people have actually said on these pages: trivialising and even suggesting pleasure at the prospect of male rape.
See, how it seems from where I'm sitting is that you'll use "fantasising" in a derogatory sense then, when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition of "thinking about". If that's all it is, maybe it doesn't portray the disgust you think it does.
Edit: actually, I'll step back from the dictionary definition comment - what you said was "To fantasise is to imagine something you would like to happen." Would I like to see him suffer in prison? Yes. Am I fantasising about it? I don't think I am.
when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition
Not really. This is the "dictionary definition" :
.
the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things.
"his researches had moved into the realms of fantasy"
So it needs to be impossible or improbable.
Now let's hope that's the end of it. Or am I fantasising?
See, how it seems from where I’m sitting is that you’ll use “fantasising” in a derogatory sense then, when challenged, fall back on the dictionary definition of “thinking about”. If that’s all it is, maybe it doesn’t portray the disgust you think it does.
I'm not falling back on anything: I used the word in the way it's meant to be used, and can't help it if you've inferred something else.
I think the support for prison rape was in incredibly poor taste, but you seem quite pleased about the idea. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Now let’s hope that’s the end of it. Or am I fantasising?
No, but you left out this:
imagine (something that one wants to happen).
First hit on Google.
I googled the meaning of the word "fantasy", apparently it is something which is impossible or improbable.
Are you telling me that fantasising has nothing to do with fantasy?
This is getting complicated.
I think the support for prison rape was in incredibly poor taste, but you seem quite pleased about the idea. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Fair enough - I think you're being very deliberately provocative, but shall say no more on it.
I googled the meaning of the word “fantasy”, apparently it is something which is impossible or improbable.
Are you telling me that fantasising has nothing to do with fantasy?
This is getting complicated.
I'm telling you I quoted what was literally the first hit on Google. It's what I meant when I used the word and it appears I was justified in doing so.
Oh for Pete's sake.. Can we please just drop this weird narrative?
Espesially the frothy Lexiteers.
Espesially the frothy Lexiteers.
If that's aimed at me, you're very wide of the mark. Just another one of your fantasies I guess, though at least this one isn't supporting rape. Well done you.
Well, you seem to have volunteered for the job.
That says more about you than it does me.
Well, you seem to have volunteered for the job.
You'll have to explain what this means, because it makes no sense at all. But then, neither does advocating for prison rape.
Is ^this the 'toxic masculinity' i have been hearing so much about?
Can we please just drop this weird narrative?
He says before quickly moving on to brexit and talking about volunteering for an unspecified job.
Is ^this the ‘toxic masculinity’ i have been hearing so much about?
🤣 no this is one of it's tangential off shoots.
FFS, erinie and ransos, AGAIN... it's getting really boring guys... go troll somewhere else.
What happened to this thread? No, I don't want to know.
really boring
Boring? I'm finding the random nature of this thread fascinating - I never quite know what to expect next. I was impressed with how we momentarily touched on brexit and then somehow seamlessly moved on to talk about volunteering for jobs.
Well, I for one hope Tate gets a broken cock in prison.
I'm a fairly decent bloke most of the time yet I have a broken cock and Tate doesn't.
He isn't a decent bloke and therefore should have a broken cock, otherwise things are just totally out of whack on the functioning cock front.
I could flesh this position out more but no one wants to hear more about "flesh" in the context of broken cocks I feel.
Well according to Greta Thunberg Tate's need for cars with "enormous emissions" suggests that he might have a rather small one.
I think how one reacts to the fate of sex offender in Jail is interesting. (for the avoidance of doubt, I am assuming that Andrew Tate is a sex offender).
I think there's also obviously a difference between "wishing" for it to happen, and somebody who accepts that it does/might - and in this case, not being particularly upset about that.
I think some posters here obviously expressed sentiment that they are wishing/wanting for it to happen, or perhaps (one rung lower in that ladder) enjoying the prospect that it might happen. For me that's the point that you've lost me.
Kind of like celebrating if somebody you didn't like got hit by a car - I'm not going to say that you should be weeping over their coffin, but try to keep the whooping and cheering down egh.
Personally, I'm enjoying the schadenfreude of the whole situation - that an internet chancer who absolutely personifies toxic masculinity, and bears more responsibility for it's insidious spread than anyone else (alive) I can think of - seems to have run-out of road. What I'm enjoying is that he must be finding the whole thing extraordinarily uncomfortable: his assets (which he derives so much arrogance from) seized, people are going through his life and history with a fine-toothed-comb, but worst of all - he can't influence any of the narrative: no tweeting, or podcast or whatever to put his spin on it, and get people to see things from his own twisted perspective. This is something that's being done TO him, which must be incredibly offensive his "alpha-male*" persona.
*yes, yes, yes...... I know
However, that schadenfreude ends at the prospect of him being abused in prison. I'll admit that I'm not going to be particularly upset at the prospect of it happening - but (I believe) there's clear-air between that and reveling in it.
Anyway - before we disappeared into a prison-rape rabbithole, I posted a line from that BBC article, which suggested the one of the young women they targeted was "the daughter of a prominent local politician". Anyone heard any more about that? I'd find it hugely ironic if it was the patriarchy that actually pulled the rug out from underneath him in the end.
What bothers me about it is that it plays into the whole 'prison's too good for 'em' narrative.
The punishment of imprisonment is the loss of liberty.
That's the punishment, the loss of liberty.
There's no need to imagine extras. We used to have 'extras' and we don't any more.
So about Ernie’s toast, what type of bread was used?
FFS, erinie and ransos, AGAIN… it’s getting really boring guys… go troll somewhere else.
You started talking about brexit and volunteering. Please stick to the topic.
think some posters here obviously expressed sentiment that they are wishing/wanting for it to happen, or perhaps (one rung lower in that ladder) enjoying the prospect that it might happen. For me that’s the point that you’ve lost me.
Yep, that's where I'm at. I would also point out, that whilst I think he's utterly toxic, he hasn't been convicted of anything.
Personally, I’m enjoying the schadenfreude of the whole situation – that an internet chancer who absolutely personifies toxic masculinity, and bears more responsibility for it’s insidious spread than anyone else (alive) I can think of – seems to have run-out of road. What I’m enjoying is that he must be finding the whole thing extraordinarily uncomfortable: his assets (which he derives so much arrogance from) seized, people are going through his life and history with a fine-toothed-comb, but worst of all – he can’t influence any of the narrative: no tweeting, or podcast or whatever to put his spin on it, and get people to see things from his own twisted perspective. This is something that’s being done TO him, which must be incredibly offensive his “alpha-male*” persona.
Most definitely.
I Think the Jail rape scenarios are just the sort of comment that would come out spontaneously in a pub convo.
Thera are worse things than that - Decriminalisation of rape being one but that's a different thread
he hasn’t been convicted of anything.
and he may not; those with enormous resources often manage to avoid convictions that those of more normal means would have been hung* for. Doesn’t mean he’s not guilty as sin though.
I won’t lose any sleep if I found out he’d been on the receiving end of the behaviour that he’s allegedly been dishing out and definitely advocating and encouraging. I’d probably draw a line at wishing it upon him but if it were to happen to be honest I’d probably have a quiet chuckle to myself at the news. What goes around, comes around (though not often enough).
Not sure who could actually be seriously offended by that either, victims of the crime would probably find it hard to be very sympathetic with a rapist being raped, and most right minded people would recognise the karma aspect. Maybe hardline alpha misogynistic snowflakes would be upset? Ah well.
I’m also somewhat concerned by the ‘don’t think/say that, someone might be offended’ line that this thread is going down. Someone might be offended, it may not be in the best of tastes, it might be a bit mean (to a rapey misogynistic ****) and I may not agree with it, but I don’t think we should be attempting to police other people’s thoughts and opinions. That’s a dodgy road to travel down.
*Literally, once upon a time, but fortunately not so much any more.
*Literally, once upon a time, but fortunately not so much any more.
Pedant mode on - hanged. The past tense of hang when used to mean executed with a noose is hanged.
To the point of the daughter of a relatively high up politician being somehow involved in this. I'd hope that politics doesn't interfere in due process; also hopefully it makes it harder to make it 'just go away' as things sometimes can when the well off are accused of nasty things. Yes, I'm looking at you, other Andy
It's the STW easily and self-righteously offended acting offended because they think it makes them look good (it doesn't) certain they're untouchable given the subject.
What the deliberately and toxically offended have failed to grasp is that fantasy is just that, fantasy. The mistake that their STW victims have made is expressing those fantasies on a forum on which some people's real life contradictions are unfathomable perhaps proving that they live their fantasies which is the point fantasies become dangerous.
Enjoy your fantasies in the privacy of your own brains folks but don't air them anywhere near here.
Back on topic I see Greta also spent some time behind bars, but in her case for all the right reasons. Keep up the good work, Greta.
but I don’t think we should be attempting to police other people’s thoughts and opinions. That’s a dodgy road to travel down.
No, but equally, people are not free to say whatever they like without repercussions.
Back on topic I see Greta also spent some time behind bars
I don't think she has yet unless you mean the police van. I think that was the first time she has been arrested
those with enormous resources often manage to avoid convictions that those of more normal means would have been hung for
I think he wishes he was well hung though... (IGMC etc)
No, but equally, people are not free to say whatever they like without repercussions.
I actually agree with you that it's not something people should really be saying.
Had I been bothered I would have said something like, 'I don't think we should be joking about rape, no matter how karmic it might be. It can be triggering for some folk.'
It has the benefit of giving a reasonable and difficult to argue against reason whilst not coming across as an attempt to score points.
So about Ernie’s toast, what type of bread was used?
Made with foreskin yeast. HTH.