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Nah better out the shadows than hiding in plain sight,now you know what your kids are being targeted by.
I've been idly following some of this on Twitter, starting from the Greta burn and then on. And I'm amazed by some of the comments defending still. Not by anyone with any presence (or I'd argue, sense) but just 'normal' people.
My point is - I know many workplaces screen people's SM now for views that may be incompatible with corporate values, do these people not realise or care? Or is it just another example where wokeness is sooooooo unfair to these poor lambs.
Anonymous apparently trolled Thunberg by posting her phone number on t’interwebz, which immediately got a lot of people very angry. Anyone phoning the number got a Rick-roll of Rick Astley singing ‘Never gonna give you up’, which amuses me greatly.
Stolen from elsewhere.
How do you describe Andrew Tate when he's in prison?
'In cell'
This appeared on my feed today and raised a smile.
Didn't realise that Andrew Tate was on Big Brother and got thrown off after a video came out of him hitting his girlfriend.
His arguing with folk on social media is less of an issue in my opinion.
My point is – I know many workplaces screen people’s SM now for views that may be incompatible with corporate values
I'm amazed at the amount of people of LinkedIn that air some extreme views, or even politics that aren't business related. Many are gammon business owners but even if they're personally are not going to get the sack why would they expose their views to clients?
Many are gammon business owners but even if they’re personally are not going to get the sack why would they expose their views to clients?
Because A: as business owners they're not used to people disagreeing with them and
B: If you spend all your Time in the echo chamber of the golf club/Conservative club/Daily Mail comments section you tend to end up under the impression that most people think like you but are afraid to 'tell it like it is' because of political correctness gone mad or the like.
Which is why they tend to be somewhat flabbergasted when a 'normal' person pulls them up on it.
because of
political correctnesswoke gone mad or the like.
Its all about "woke" now. Which is delightful when you actually ask a gammony type what they think it means. Some of the replies are incredible but mostly they simply don't really know, it's just a parroted word from the daily mail/ Telegraph. It's a word used by the perpetually offended which makes them snowflakes... Which is deeply ironic.
His arguing with folk on social media is less of an issue in my opinion.
I know what you mean but his 'output' goes way beyond being a bit argumentative.
Its all about “woke” now. Which is delightful when you actually ask a gammony type what they think it means.
Well the term woke derives from the African-American community to specifically mean an alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination, although granted it has now expanded to mean whatever the user wants it to mean.
If you use the term as originally intended woke appears to have little to do with issue of Tate's obnoxious behaviour.
Although Tate is alledged to have links with far-right organizations he is apparently something of a hero among a significant number young British Muslim boys/men, much to the deep concern of the wider Muslim community.
Furthermore Tate himself is mixed race - his father was black African-American, so whilst his misogyny might be very obvious I'm not sure that there is necessarily a racist angle to his deeply flawed personality.
I think the racist tag is less well defined than his misogyny and homophobia, but it seems to link back to his use of a range of racist terms on social media. If it was OK in the '70s to describe any ethnicity in a now derogatory way, it seems a fair bet Tate has used that term way more recently.
When examining the concept of 'woke' , or its precursor 'political correctness', it's always instructive to consult an arbiter -
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If you want a N****r for a Neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour...
I know many workplaces screen people’s SM now for views that may be incompatible with corporate values, do these people not realise or care?
It's less common that you'd think, most people don't work in those sorts of environments, and loads of people use SM for laughing at funny cats and dogs and bitching about their sister/brother in law, the bloke/women next door/in the pub etcetc. The sorts of people that work in environments where HR will scroll through your Insta feed know this and have one that has their name on it, that is public facing and is full of pictures of funny cats and their dinner, and one that's called Demonhellspawn@Budleigh Salterton where their actual views are expressed which has precisely two followers.
If you want a N****r for a Neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour…
I'm not following your blind YouTube link, but does that add any context to the above statement?
Tate is a late stage capitalist grift monger, misogynist and general purpose bully with an odd Matrix obsession and a flair for concisely offensive speech. He's also (yet to be proven in court) apparently a criminal, he's openly said he went to Romania for what he sees as a more permissive, corruption riddled culture.
While his parentage doesn't exempt him for being a racist, I'm not aware of him making particularly racist statements. TBH his being "colour blind" doesn't really balance out all his other output, but I'm not target the audience...
This at least explores some of his background:
Edit: looks like that's age restricted.
It's a link to a Stewart Lee comedy clip on 'political correctness gone mad', nothing to be avoided / particularly offensive although he does use the N word, which he claims to be quoting election literature
Thought that might be the case, usually best to put quotes round text like that to prevent an interweb pile-on.
Hate Tate.
Greta’s better.
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
https://twitter.com/joe_co_uk/status/1610647134524657665?s=46&t=NzIYoqDVslLPAkV1SpJ3FA
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
I know. Now he'll have the indignity of everyone knowing who actually owns them 🙂
One thing that puzzles me about this. Thunberg has burned loads of self important folk on Twitter. Why do these middleaged men keep taking her on? Hubris? she just effortlessly burns them to the ground.
self important folk on Twitter.
Answered your own question there, entitled arrogance is a hell of a drug.
I also suspect that for some of them, getting into a online spat with Greta is a weird 'badge of honor' and their fans are too bone-headed to see that she's wiped the floor with them as per usual.
Why do these middleaged men keep taking her on?
Because they're middle-aged men who can't cope with the concept of a young woman with a brain. At her age she should be concentrating on saving the planet by looking pretty so that she can attract a man and start squeezing out babies.
That and I suppose there's the whole "no publicity is bad publicity..." angle. I'd never heard of the bloke before this thread and likely never would have if he hadn't goaded GT into speculating about his penis. In his head that's probably a victory, plenty of people thrive on fame through infamy. Just another loveable rogue who's telling it like it is, saying what everyone else is thinking. Something something triggered woke libtard snowflakes something.
I’d never heard of the bloke before this thread and likely never would have if he hadn’t goaded GT into speculating about his penis.
Yep, no idea who he was...
TBH it’s only a months takings on the Hustler academy.
I’m surprised he doesn’t give a few lambos away as a monthly benefit of being in the academy.
One thing that puzzles me about this. Thunberg has burned loads of self important folk on Twitter. Why do these middleaged men keep taking her on? Hubris? she just effortlessly burns them to the ground.
You say that, but your experience is all from inside your own echo chamber.
A few clicks through some other comments and suddenly the feed is just hundreds/thousands of people who think using Gretta's "How very dare you!" catchphrase as a comeback won the day. It's really not as clear cut either side would like to see it (or the view they were presented with). Bet you a penny to a pound he has more followers now than he did a fortnight ago.
the feed is just hundreds/thousands of people who think using Gretta’s “How very dare you!” catchphrase as a comeback won the day
Which to outsiders always seems like a while lot of hot air.
Re catchphrase, nice they're both fans of Catherine Tate!
Surely it was the small penis comment that made him the most upset
Judging by the frothing rage of his fanbase, it very much hit home
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1608056944501178368?t=krbI_oeV6jmsfNaxQTmRQg&s=19
& led to his rather tragic video in reply
Whether that actually directly led to his arrest I have no idea, but the Romanian authorities do not seem to be treating him lightly
A spectacular humiliation at the hands of exactly the kind of young woman Tate has built a career on denigrating
I think in the olden days it was called tit for tat.
Really?
Id say this was far more than that
https://twitter.com/RightWingCope/status/1610461778466545667?t=72GdvSCdXztbs3KmZAYGlA&s=19
What a scumbag
https://twitter.com/sophiasgaler/status/1610753695070752780?t=qe4EpsD5z-kajJAW7OPggQ&s=19
Teenager being used as a media pawn by the global elite to drive their money making carbon credit & trading scheme emergency climate net zero agenda, versus a very opinionated guy who occasionally makes some perfectly valid points against the said global elite, but who is also probably a bit of a tw*t shocker! Best to ignore.
Is it me, or does he look very like Tom Allen?
but who is also probably a bit of a tw*t shocker!
rape, kidnap & people trafficking only makes him a bit of a ****?!?
rape, kidnap & people trafficking only makes him a bit of a ****?!?
Our new learned friend has a range of interesting opinions.
rape, kidnap & people trafficking only makes him a bit of a ****?!?
Has he been tried and convicted of these yet?
Interesting how his accent has changed over time - perhaps the dodgy yank accent appeals more globally?
The guy is a scumbag.
Oh I do love it when the right wing nut jobs come here to play.
Has he been tried and convicted of these yet?
walks like a duck.....
he runs a webcam porn business, teaches a 'how to pimp hoes' class, fled to rommania to escape scrutiny after police bungling (took 4 years to refer case to CPS) previous rape case, and said he did so because he thought the authorities wouldnt chase him for historic rape allegations, was filmed beating his ex with a belt.....
yet you post some absolutely hilarious brain dead conspiracy theories about Thunberg?
^^ Blimey, hadn't he got a long neck!?
Is it trying to compensate for, well, you know?
walks like a duck…..
Ahh yep, guilty as charged!
Ahh yep, guilty as charged!
So you're happy with him beating up women (on video, so literally 100% guilty) & misogynistic views?
Says a lot about you.
In case you missed MCTDs post kt360 joined the quite recently. Make of that what you will.
Not supporting anyone here, especially not AT.
But the video of him beating up a women - there is also a video of them both "play fighting" after the first video ended- it may have been a role play game....it might not have been and the second video may be fake or she may have been forced to do it, but the other video does tend to make it look consensual. This is in one of the previous links above, in one of the mini commentaries about him on page 5)
He is still a horrible vile person though. I just want it to be known that I think he probably has done what he has been charged with (and more).
So you’re happy with him beating up women (on video, so literally 100% guilty) & misogynistic views?
Says a lot about you.
No it doesn't. I simply pointed out here in the West it might be unwise calling someone a rapist until they have been convicted in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty. What is so controversial about that?
People can be portrayed as the media wishes but you only have to look at the BBC and Cliff Richard saga to realise that you can't necessarily trust what gets reported online. Or what doesn't get reported and swept under the carpet for many years as in the awful case of Jimmy Saville. Surely you are old enough to know this fairly basic stuff, right?
Andrew Tate seems to be representing himself.
He's not painting a very flattering picture though.
No it doesn’t. I simply pointed out here in the West it might be unwise calling someone a rapist until they have been convicted in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty
No, you didn't.
No, you didn’t.
Ahhh, I give up. Clearly you know what I meant more than I actually do. FFS!
I know precisely what I read in your first post on this thread. That's all I know. What you wrote. The post which glosses over the crimes Tate is accused of, and characterises Thunberg as being part of a global elite conspiracy involving carbon credits.
If you want help remembering, it was this:
Teenager being used as a media pawn by the global elite to drive their money making carbon credit & trading scheme emergency climate net zero agenda, versus a very opinionated guy who occasionally makes some perfectly valid points against the said global elite, but who is also probably a bit of a tw*t shocker! Best to ignore.
Teenager being used as a media pawn by the global elite
A true hustler understands that young women can't possibly have self-agency, and are just there to be controlled by men.
Yep. Card marked.
Looks like kt360's mum has given him his phone back, but because he's not allowed to play Fortnite until after tea he's come here to educate us.
Nah, don't blame it on the yoof. Most of them are sad angry middle aged men. Very much like the rest of us, just a bit more warped!
Nice bait and switch though – join, post about ebikes then into the meat and drink.
e-bikes should have been a red flag!
Their patience is getting shorter and shorter, in the past it's taken weeks or months before finally unleashing. Some even might have created sleeper accounts from ages back to reactivate, but I suppose their store of them must have run out.
This one's gone from first post to full on *** * sweary ***** abuse in 2 days, which has to be a record.
Teenager being used as a media pawn by the global elite to drive their...
Are you referring to Greta and are you making exactly the same mistake? I really don't think she is a media pawn
Don’t ban them. It’s fun having a conspiracy theorist amongst us.
That's what they want you to think.
Most of them are sad angry middle aged men.
Nah, it's likely just one sad angry middle aged man who's on his twelvetieth ban and lacks the self-awareness to work out why.
Don’t ban them. It’s fun having a conspiracy theorist amongst us.
It's fun until it becomes dangerous.
It’s fun until it becomes dangerous.
...or merely tedious.
Well, there's that too.
It's the "open mind" vs "open sewer" argument, isn't it. I'm all for hearing an alternative point of view, this is how we learn things; but that probably shouldn't extent to providing a soapbox for lunatics.
There's an irony, isn't there, that conspiracy theorists like to wax on about pharma or governments or chemtrails or vaccines or what have you, yelling "wake up, sheeple!", whilst blindly absorbing whatever random crap is next funnelled into their brains.
To be fair I think that most serious conspiracy theorists feel that they have come to their conclusions by their own tireless "research".
It takes quite a bit of effort, and many hours of painstaking research, to come up with complex convoluted conspiracy theories which all very cleverly and conveniently link up, as they invariably do.
As long as the conspiracy theories aren't racist I don't see a problem with them being expressed on here, if it is done in a civilized manner. It gives an opportunity for the theorist to be challenged - often they spend little time in environments that allow that to happen.
It is a widespread and growing issue which shouldn't be ignored imo. The more that is known about conspiracy theories the better they can be nipped in the bud.
Plus of course, as Alexei Sayle pointed out recently, not all conspiracy theories are false, real conspiracies, including political ones, do actually occur. Hence the word "gate" after almost every political scandal these days. So always having a totally closed mind isn't particularly helpful.
As long as the conspiracy theories aren’t racist I don’t see a problem with them being expressed on here
"Vaccines make you sicker than contracting potentially fatal illnesses?"
Seems harmless.
not all conspiracy theories are false
Of course. But the few that are true do not legitimise the majority that are flights of fancy.
We owe it to ourselves to consider alternative ideas. This is how science works, someone going "well, are you sure about that?" But by turns we should be challenging people who watched a YouTube video once and then concluded that they're better informed than half the planet.
There are some truly horrible conspiracy theories which are genuinely true, we don't need to make this shit up. The CIA's MKUltra programme for instance. But to extrapolate that into "so they're all out to get us" is braindead, it's just rejecting one set of bastards in order to listen to another set of bastards.
A closed mind isn't helpful, but as I alluded to earlier, an open one needs a filter or any old shit falls into it.
It is a widespread and growing issue which shouldn’t be ignored imo. The more that is known about conspiracy theories the better they can be nipped in the bud.
The mistake here is the same as brexit, it's heart vs head and head will always lose because heart doesn't care for your logic.
How do you counter the theory that, say, the royal family are all lizards?
1) And in-depth DNA sampling study to disprove Big Lizard?
2) "Well, you're clearly a ****ing idiot"?
3) Kicking it back over the fence, "prove it."
4) Something else?
I'm going with 3) personally. If they can back it up then I'm listening. If they're making random claims without further evidence then that can be dismissed as easily. The answer to "the Earth is flat." is "no it isn't."
I learned this one in the brexit discussions. The answer to "immigrants are..." and a whole smorgasbord of other wild claims is simply "no they aren't." There's little point in expending any further effort in trying to debunk myths because, as you yourself know Ernie because you're a master at this, if it's a successful argument then they'll just ignore it and change the subject.
I’d rather have the idiots in plain sight than mumbling between themselves in a corner. Their opinions won’t gain any traction here and you can ignore them easily enough. Plus entertainment and poking them with a stick is fun!
if it is done in a civilized manner. It gives an opportunity for the theorist to be challenged
I've never seen or heard of a conspiracy theorist who, on being challenged by the sorts of people that they consider ignorant (one of the core points of being a CT after all) for believing officialdom/convention; react in a civilised manner. Challenging convention, is after all; for them the point of their belief, and they mostly don't want their theories challenged. The lack of nuance of written conversation (like this forum) never provides the appropriate form for a calm discussion to take place, regardless of intent.
It' better for everyone if they either 1. STFU, or 2. stick to the types of forum where they can share their beliefs with other like minded souls.
here in the West
As said by people who actually are in the west, er, never.
There’s an irony, isn’t there, that conspiracy theorists like to wax on about pharma or governments or chemtrails or vaccines or what have you, yelling “wake up, sheeple!”, whilst blindly absorbing whatever random crap is next funnelled into their brains.
Which leads me to ask - are most conspiracy theorists a bit, well there's no other way of putting it, thick?
Or is it that emotions rule thier head? That belonging to a cause, a group with a secret which no one else knows, who you can wield some influence and superiority over is way more exciting and interesting that the often boring and compromised reality?
As long as the conspiracy theories aren’t racist I don’t see a problem with them being expressed on here, if it is done in a civilized manner. It gives an opportunity for the theorist to be challenged – often they spend little time in environments that allow that to happen.
Think I fall into this camp - their thoughts need challenging, and so do "ours", or we do run the risk of being our own echo chamber.
The fact that when they pop up on here it soon turns to abuse and insults from both sides reflects badly on all of us, though sadly many of us have personal reasons for running low on patience with them.
I'm OK with the racist views on here as well, however unpalatable they also need to be challenged. Most on here are of the dog whistle type, TBH, which need spotting and challenging even more IMHO.
Sunlight is a great disinfectant. Nasties grow in dark damp corners.
Boomerlives that stood out to me too.
Sunlight is a great disinfectant. Nasties grow in dark damp corners.
Nicely put
are most conspiracy theorists a bit, well there’s no other way of putting it, thick?
In my experience, far from it. Most that I've met are pretty smart. It's partly why, I think, that they are trapped by conspiracy theories. Lots of them are plausible, there's "evidence" for many conspiracies, they know to be cautious of obvious explanations, and they're cynical and don't take facts at face value, and it's a way, for some at least, of confirming for themselves, their superiority of people that they think aren't as smart as they are. They're often very good at defending their beliefs and at the heart of many, the outsider is put into the position of trying to prove a negative, with the obvious outcome that gives.
so no, I don't think they're thick,
Which leads me to ask – are most conspiracy theorists a bit, well there’s no other way of putting it, thick?
Or is it that emotions rule thier head? That belonging to a cause, a group with a secret which no one else knows, who you can wield some influence and superiority over is way more exciting and interesting that the often boring and compromised reality?
All of the above?
It's self-affirming. If all your life you've been told that you're, as you say, "a bit thick," then you come across something that you think no-one else knows, you're going to latch on to that.
The Netflix documentary "Behind the Curve" is well worth a watch. There's an entire community of these people. It's not just that they have a couple of harmless leftfield ideas, it's a lifestyle choice analogous with a religion.
this came up on my feed the other day
disclaimer, stupid people can have stupid ideas too 🙂
They’re often very good at defending their beliefs
IME they're very good at remembering stock answers to common questions / rebuttals. They're ducked as soon as you go slightly off-piste.
They’re ducked as soon as you go slightly off-piste.
sure, but that just makes you a shill, so can be safely ignored. Like I say intelligent theorists are difficult to argue with, and often just reinforces their beliefs.
the behind the curve documentary is fascinating, watching them becoming confused as their experiments prove time and again that the world is indeed round, but yet maintaining their belief In flat earth is a real insight into how they think. Plus of course for FE, the math you have to use to explain it is wildly complex. Which neatly reinforces their belief that they’re clever!
Which leads me to ask – are most conspiracy theorists a bit, well there’s no other way of putting it, thick?
Watching Behind the Curve & some other similar docs, I'd suggest not thick. I would suggest lonely & susceptible to wanting to belong to something. It's either the warm embrace of conspiracy club or scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses, or other religion. All of the aforementioned pray on lost people & give them a home.
In my experience, far from it. Most that I’ve met are pretty smart.
I used to work with a guy like that. Degree, we worked in a scientific discipline but he was very prone to conspiracy stuff and he also knew a really disturbing amount about weaponry.
Muzzle velocities of a dozen types of tank, the armaments of all sorts of fighter and bomber aircraft. Like, a really "how the **** do you remember all this?!" amount. The blast radius of various nuclear bombs... 😳
IME they’re very good at remembering stock answers to common questions / rebuttals. They’re ducked as soon as you go slightly off-piste.
This guy clearly had a good memory so he was rarely stumped - you'd see him scrolling back through his mind to whichever dark corner of the internet he'd read it on then recite away.
Massive anti-vaxxer now.
SciManDan on YouTube does a couple of good series debunking some of the wilder conspiracy theory claims but it shows up time and again in his videos, these guys (why is it always men?) honestly believe that they're debunking Einstein, Newton, Galileo etc all at once.
Which leads me to ask – are most conspiracy theorists a bit, well there’s no other way of putting it, thick?
I've taught or been the pastoral lead for a couple of lads that started down this rabbit hole whilst in sixth form and then went the full 9 yards shortly after.
I wouldn't call them thick but...... they were the sort of kids who couldn't quite hold it all together. They'd aspire to be the brightest cookies in their peer group and act like they were (and superficially you might mistake them for this in a quick chat) and then they got quickly found out in the next round of exams. The kids they wanted to be like just reamed them academically but even more frustratingly for them the kids who looked like they didn't really care or were too busy to bother academically with girls, music or sport would rock up and out do them too. They could just never see the bigger picture or have a clarity of thought. Frustrated and rejected from the life they wanted to have (neither cool or academically prodigious) is probably the best way to describe them. It's almost like they found a new truth they could be master of and sneer at others for not knowing like they thought others sneered at them. The sad reality is they had not previously been sneered at, just ignored as they were mostly invisible before. One lad in particular took to wearing a MAGA cap (this was 2015/2016 in leafy English home counties) making some pretty inflammatory (often racist) remarks. Consequently he got himself into a few rumbles with other kids and I had to be the disciplinarian. For a few years I'd open my curtains in the morning half expecting to see him stood at the bottom of the garden.
As long as the conspiracy theories aren’t racist I don’t see a problem with them being expressed on here
I do - but it's mostly selfish. I don't think of this place as too serious. It's not going to change the world and sooth troubled souls. It's somewhere to come for a daft debate, to ask questions and talk bikes. And sometimes to console. Also - a bit of an echo chamber is a relief from the angst of real life. It is not my life - far from it - it's a place for a bit of a chill from time to time. Quite honestly if it was full of CT nutters trying to convert or argue with the saner members it would just put me off and I'd not bother logging in. A bit like a pub that gets ruined by the pub bore regular that you struggle to avoid every time you go in. In the end you find somewhere else. I know what they think already - it's not healthy for me to hear it again; it just ruins a perfectly pleasant and placid evening. Also, lets not think that having them here prevents them soaking up the bile elsewhere - you can have multiple windows open in chrome simultaneously.