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This is something that shoudl worry anyone who stores original music or .wavs on their computers and might use Apple Music.
[i]When I signed up for Apple Music, iTunes evaluated my massive collection of Mp3s and WAV files, scanned Apple’s database for what it considered matches, then removed the original files from my internal hard drive. REMOVED them. Deleted. If Apple Music saw a file it didn’t recognize—which came up often, since I’m a freelance composer and have many music files that I created myself—it would then download it to Apple’s database, delete it from my hard drive, and serve it back to me when I wanted to listen, just like it would with my other music files it had deleted.[/i]
[url= https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/ ]https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/[/url]
This is the worst bit!
[i]Amber relayed to me that she’s had to suffer through many calls from people who cancelled their Apple Music subscription after the free, three-month trial, only to discover that all of their own music files had been deleted and there was no way to get them back.[/i]
Seems odd. Reckon it's not that straightforward.
That said, I've noticed that tracks I had on my phone are now slightly different versions, presumably Apple Music's version rather than whatever I had on my computer previously.
And this is why I'm not keen on cloud based stuff in general! I want to retain physical control of my assets.
That is a bit wow really. I wonder how long it will be before the law catches up because most people never really read the terms and conditions, they just expect reasonable behaviour and deleting originals off of your machine is not reasonable behaviour. I would have expected to be served the matching files if online but the originals on my machine if offline or I selected that option. I would never have expected the originals to just be removed 🙁
So she didn't create back ups of all her work?
Oh dear!
Like I say, I doubt it's quite that bad. I can't believe Apple are harvesting all sound files off your hard drive! I will check, mind.
prob did drac - using the icloud 😀
[i]So she didn't create back ups of all her work?[/i]
errm
[i]I recovered my original music files only by using a backup I made weeks earlier[/i]
the problem seems to be it continually goes through deleting stuff so it's all online so even if you restore it'll just delete it again?
the problem seems to be it continually goes through deleting stuff so it's all online so even if you restore it'll just delete it again?
Simple solution, just switch off their cloud music corruption service.
Oh! 😳
I use Apple Music on my phone it's not linked to my Mac Book, I don't have that problem.
Man, that is bad.
Good job I never had a reason to use Apple Music
It's been a while since I set-up my Apple Music, but I'm pretty certain 1) moving everything to the cloud is optional 2) you have to press a second okay screen to say you understand it's not reversible.
There has to be more to this that meets the eye.
I seem to remember similar stories when Apple Music was launched and I'm sure it wasn't as dark and nefarious as this thread makes out.
I've just had a look in iTunes at some music I know I ripped onto my Mac from CD. It's still there on my hard drive with a modified date of 2011. I would assume if Apple had uploaded and then downloaded it again, the modified date would be much later.
That story is complete bollocks.
When you sign up to Apple Music it matches/uploads to the cloud but it 100% does not then automatically delete the local copies. If you want to do that then you would have to do it manually.
Idiot is idiot shocker.
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And this is why I'm not keen on cloud based stuff in general!
Me too. All my data is "in house". Even the back ups which is of course stupid.
Thing I don't like with cloud storage is once you buy into it, you're stuck with it. Once you stop paying the subs, you lose access.
Bloke who interviewed me for a company that does cloud storage for businesses casually told me how its a great money-spinner for that reason.
I'm sure Apple don't remove local files, I'll check with someone who subscribes.
Yep it happens. Used iTunes for years had all my music stored on nas drive linked to iTunes. When I signed up for Apple Music a couple of months ago with the free trial, it wiped the 30 odd gb off my phone, this is all music ripped from CDs and made me redownload it to listen to it. So fing annoying. I've not reattached the nas to my computer yet as I darent in case iTunes wipes that too. I never approved that knowingly.
It's still playing at it now, I've redownloaded things and it will wipe them off again. Great, just what I want when my walk to work is a data black hole...
The fact that iTunes Match replaces everything with a nominal 256Kb version is quite enough to put me off!
I'm fine with any downloads I buy being that bitrate, but everything I rip myself is at 320Kb, sometimes lossless, and I'm damned if I'll let my music be downgraded.
Now, if they offered a lossless version, I might be all over that...
Possibly.
Blimey, can you really tell the difference between a 256kb file and a 320? I'd love to do a blind test on that! 😉
Either I'm lucky, or these people must have very weird settings enabled. I've been an Apple Music user here for a while now, and also have ca. 200GB of music locally. I've not noticed any of my music missing, and timestamps of random files I've just looked at reflects the observation that they're my originals.
Over the last couple of years Microsoft have offered me what totals to 20GB of free Onedrive space for doing various things with it (auto backup of photos etc)
They changed their mind last week and now I've got to get rid of anything over 5GB, pay for more storage or sign up for Office 365. The latter option is free for the first year so I'm just going to do that, and pull everything local, but it's a case in point of the fact you don't really own shit in the cloud
but it's a case in point of the fact you don't really own shit in the cloud
Yeah same I got a great deal on a physical storage locker then the put the prices up and like man all my stuff was gone, oh hang on it was just an introductory offer and my stuff was there if I didn't want to pay I could just remove it. It's renting HD space somewhere that you can access it 24/7 world wide. You don't own the space just whats in it.
I changed my card and my google drive dropped off subscription so I was over limit. I could still remove files just not add to them.
I would like to know where my tunes have gone to that were formerly on my ipad....
I am currently away at work (drillship, 100 miles from the coast of Guyana) on a very restricted internet connection, so no access to iTunes, youtube, spotify, anything streaming media type things, not even podcasts etc. We can't even use App store.
Tried to listen to music the other day on ipad... Hmmm Music app is just a blank... Cant sign in to apple ID through it... Checked on the general tab, i have 0 songs, and the amount of spare storage is up by about 10gb.
I have never signed up to Apple Music, not even trialled it. Seems that if you can't sign in with your Apple ID in the music app then your music, that may or may not have been purchased through Apple, will self destruct.
Somewhat peeved, at least my phone (windows, with 64gb sd card) is trustworthy... I hope.
Itunes will never be allowed near a computer of mine.
As for streaming, it's great if you have a good connection but...
I have a 128gb card in my phone with my music. I despair at the overuse of bandwidth to support the stream everything mentality we have.
Oh. I forgot. You poor sods who bought into apple have to have itunes and aren't allowed to add extra storage to your phone. Oh well.
🙂
[quote=DezB ]Blimey, can you really tell the difference between a 256kb file and a 320? I'd love to do a blind test on that!
depends on whether directional speaker cable has been used 😉
have never signed up to Apple Music, not even trialled it. Seems that if you can't sign in with your Apple ID in the music app then your music, that may or may not have been purchased through Apple, will self destruct.
As a test I put mine airplane mode, clicked on music, my music and hit play. All the songs I've stored are playing. 😀
No need to stream and can take my music with me instead of having to leave it in the car. Of course I could do that too by copying the music to a memory card or usb stick but why would I do that?
Of course I have the added beauty of streaming if I choose to or hear I a track I want to download.
Oh. I forgot. You poor sods who bought into apple have to have itunes and aren't allowed to add extra storage to your phone. Oh well.
Does mean we don't have the * JOY * of Android killing another SD card though (think I got through 3) or the redonculous file addressing system which means Google Music stores files with random numbers for names.
Does mean we don't have the * JOY * of Android killing another SD card though (think I got through 3) or the redonculous file addressing system which means Google Music stores files with random numbers for names.
Really? Never had a problem with mine.
And I won't touch google music either.
Simple file system store of Artist/Album/Track#-TrackName and I use Rocket Player which is one of the few players that can handle the 11000 tracks comfortably.
Bish bash bosh.
We have a family Spotify account and download and store stuff locally on phones and tablets for playback away from a wi-fi connection.
Clearly you're only renting the music but that's pretty much the case with itunes (they just charge you as if you 'own' it).
I really don't get these iTunes issues people go on about. I don't use Apple Music, all my music is local, iPhone is synched to macbook. Nothing ever gets lost.
[i]Really? Never had a problem with mine.[/i]
And I've never had a problem with iTunes, which is currently handling 25,000 songs without issue, nicely backed up to my SAN.
Really? Never had a problem with mine.
And I won't touch google music either.Simple file system store of Artist/Album/Track#-TrackName and I use Rocket Player which is one of the few players that can handle the 11000 tracks comfortably.
Bish bash bosh.
Well, it might have been the Sony implementation, but yes - 3 SD cards rendered unreadable by the phone, or anything else.
I run Apple computers at home, so it was always going to be a struggle getting on with Android and having a reliable sync between the two systems. Tried a couple of apps, but nothing was satisfactory.
I don't use the "music" streaming service, but I do use "match" or whatever it's called these days. I have over 6000 songs stored on my mac and mirrored to the match service - phone has about half the stuff downloaded and it will keep as many downloaded as you like. .
It's not without issues - stuff will get dropped after an upgrade (of either iTunes or the phone), but just being aware that a re-sync might be required has resolved the problem quickly each time.
Itunes will never be allowed near a computer of mine.
Word.
Same for google music.
Files + a basic player, thanks.
yours,
mrmf,
cloud refusnik.
It's a feature, all part of the Apple Experience.
Something my bro says- "everyone says there's no apple viruses and there's a reason for that, hackers just can't compete with apple's own coders" (I think he came up with that after his Accessory was Not Supported but Apple didn't sell a suitable genuine accessory he could replace it with)
I work in software. I know what "feature" means.
As far as I can tell, Apple are all mountain bikers so when they talk about features, they mean an unexpected obstacle that'll make loads of people fall off.
As a test I put mine airplane mode, clicked on music, my music and hit play. All the songs I've stored are playing
Conversely, I lined up a load of albums for offline listening on Apple Music when I went to Oz last year. Turned on my iPhone on the 'plane - in airplane mode of course - and NOTHING played. Nothing.
[url= http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imore.com%2Fno-apple-music-not-deleting-tracks-your-hard-drive-unless-you-tell-it&h=MAQFXKYro ]Possible other side of this story[/url]
Link without Facebook referral:
http://www.imore.com/no-apple-music-not-deleting-tracks-your-hard-drive-unless-you-tell-it
It should be noted that iMore is Apple's #1 apologist when they get shit wrong. So always take what they say with a pinch of salt.
I will agree with the bit of the article relating to Apple's clunky services, and ties in with my thoughts on Apple as a services provider, in that they just seem to always hit a brick wall when it comes to delivering proper well thought out solutions. Compared to how Dropbox etc work, photostream, icloud music library etc seem so unnecessarily convoluted.
I agree Apple are not great at creating simple and effective cloud solutions; it's always nerve-wracking turning stuff like this on. However, they are addressing the problem differently from someone like Dropbox. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dropbox is "just" cloud storage, whereas Apple are tightly integrating their apps with their cloud service which brings with it additional complications both for user and, judging by the mistakes they seem to make, Apple.
Northwind - Member"everyone says there's no apple viruses and there's a reason for that, hackers just can't compete with apple's own coders"
Sadly it's simply not true, Apple computers do get viruses, I've seen one and everything!
The reason they get so few is that yes, Apple does make a lot of effort to stop them, but mostly because there are 60 PCs sold for every Mac sold, and that ratio is even greater with the numbers of PCs being used today compared to Macs. So if you're going to invest the time and energy into writing a Virus or some Malware etc for criminal gain or just because you're a bit odd - then you get a lot of an audience for PCs.
Apple is no more Immune to Viruses than Linux, there's just not that being created for such a small 'market'.
stilltortoise - you';re right Dropbox is a 'usb drive in the cloud' - Apple stuff is 'an integrated app and proprietary cloud storage' soltution.
TBH, the music mysteriously vanishing from my iPad isn't too big on issue, it's all on my (non-Apple) phone. It's losing the mass of podcasts too! I had downloaded loads before coming away from home.... 🙁
Viva la Winamp!
P-Jay - MemberSadly it's simply not true, Apple computers do get viruses, I've seen one and everything!
Never let the obvious truth get in the way of a joke.
Hmmm.....there is something satisfying about owning 'physical' music - vinyl, cassettes and CDs. Less convenient of course but we seemed to do ok with Walkmans in the day.
Analogous to fiat money vs physical gold I reckon. Gold will once again have its day when the GFC Mach 2 hits (it will be worse than Mach 1). Just as vinyl will have its day when the next big solar flare wipes out most of our electronics.
I have had a heap of music disappear off my iMac after an iTunes upgrade.
I don't remember doing anything unusual like wanting to stream (I prefer local storage).
It's a bloody nuisance because I'll have to reload it from CDs - I never bother backing up music because it's not that important to me, and I have the physical disks anyway.
Years ago I was loading itunes on a windows laptop (cant for the life of me remember why, maybe I wanted quicktime to watch dome climbing video or something, or maybe I'd just bought an iphone more like...). Anyway, it started to convert all my mp3's to some apple format 'all by itself' (well, I certain never requested it to do that).
As a consequence I've pretty much avoided anything music related from apple ever since.
I guess I'm a Luddite at heart though. Having had hard drives fail (and I'm not the most rigorous of backer uppers out there) I prefer to have a hard copy (cd).
Looks like there may be a bug in the software, it's not people just ticking the wrong boxes.
[url= http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/05/12/proof_that_apple_music_is_deleting_mp3_files.html ]http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/05/12/proof_that_apple_music_is_deleting_mp3_files.html[/url]
Apple confirm it is a real issue
[url= http://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/13/apple-confirms-music-deletion-fix-coming/ ]MacRumors[/url]
Cool. Shame ah, that erm, video is uh, so um, long and er tedious (why don't people practice before they upload?!)
But looks like Aplle have some fixing to do!
Music is removed, not deleted!
Music is removed, not deleted!
I started my career in software development, we used to call a bug once documented, a feature. Why spend money on "mac clean up" apps when iTunes can do it for you 😉
Not sure how Apple can make this good, if you delete someone's music how do they get it all back ?
Yes, I've used a 'feature' to explain lots of bugs! Fortunately I don't write much software.
I think you'll probably find it's [i]curated[/i], not removedMusic is removed, not deleted!
And certainly your fault
I think you'll probably find it's curated, not removed
I knew this would be Zane Lowe's fault somehow.
"Curated" brilliant !
If its deleted surely its in the trash? Apple have really ballsed this up
Anyway, it started to convert all my mp3's to some apple format 'all by itself' (well, I certain never requested it to do that).
As a consequence I've pretty much avoided anything music related from apple ever since.
If you mean it converted to AAC, then that's just Apple's name for MP4, which is the music codec developed for video use by the MP3 foundation, and which produces higher quality files than the older MP3 format, and neither are Apple formats; Apple has to pay a license fee to use them, just like everyone else does, as they're proprietary formats.
Apple Lossless is open source, and anyone can use it.
Apple released a new iTunes along with OSX, iOS yesterday. ITunes chnages include cosmetic but also a reference to the "deletion" bug which they say they cannot replicate thus cannit conclusively fix
[url= http://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/16/apple-releases-itunes-12-4-with-design-tweaks/ ]Link[/url]