[Closed] Has anyone gone "plant-based"?

We're eating more and more plant-based. Harder to ditch the dairy but we consume about 3/4 oat milk and 1/4 dairy milk at home now, which is much better. Cook meat once or twice a week. Not perfect, but better.

We were making the change not so much for health, or cost, mostly for sustainability.

The sweep of plant-based products and Veganuary, etc. have made it much easier, too.

Big love for this book -

He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based.

He's selling loads of books by making vastly exaggerated claims.

I have, although it was 1985 and all this stuff everyone seems to have discovered about diet and the environment was there then, just that it was being totally ignored by the vast majority of people. Probably because the mainstream media at the time had little interest in it.

Im making a change by eating plant based animals, like Lambs and Cows. They taste amazing and it will stop them farting methane, which is bad for the climate.

going flexitarian, its cheaper and better for me and and the environment. Eat meat when out at restaurants and occasionally at home, about twice a month in total.

Mainly cooking veggie indian food at home, super tasty and super cheap

I'm reliably informed that the animals I eat did enjoy eating plants prior to them becoming food.

I like to think of myself as quite open minded though, so I'd be equally happy to eat carnivorous animals too

I am Groot

I’ve gone plant based, well full SWMBO went full vegan.

I’ve lost quite a lot of weight as a result.

Plant-based munchie box?

I have, after the thread on here late last year re. "The Game Changers" (and then watching said prog). I was most attracted to the idea of increasing athletic performance, but also I'd been going off the idea of cheap/industrially farmed meat for a long time (i.e. virtually any meat you'd have eating out, or cheap supermarket stuff etc). Also there's obviously the environmental side to consider these days too.

I probably eat fish 2 or 3 meals a week, I've only eaten meat once (last week, pulled pork from a locally sourced pig, very tasty 🐖😋). Got to say I don't miss meat AT ALL which really surprised me. Vegetables just taste nicer than meat, simple fact, don't know why I didn't realise this sooner!! Much greater variety & intensity of flavours.

Advantages: cheaper (as I had pretty much only been buying higher welfare meat), less food waste as veggies etc last longer in the fridge, better for the environment. Have lost a bit of weight - mainly because I think being largely veggie makes you think a bit more about what you're eating.

It's so easy eating out now as everyone has jumped on the veggie/vegan bandwagon. Most places have pages and pages of options rather than the one token veg dish you used to get. You can even get decent veggie sausages now! (Cauldron).

As for the supposed "performance gains": maybe. Could just be psychological, or the fact that I'm certainly getting a better variety of vits, etc now, but as someone who's turning 40 soon I feel that my recovery is better now - can happily exercise 5/6 days a week without feeling wiped out as before. For example a hard Zwift sessoin, then weights in the gym the next day, followed by another Zwift - which I feel I would've struggled with previously. Sleeping better, more energy etc. Bit of weight loss. Appreciate I'm only 3 months into it but I see no downsides thus far.

Plant-based munchie box?

Chips, Vegetable pakora, Onion Bhajis, Mushroom Pakora, Onion rings and fritters.

The Snappy Chapati is a step ahead of you.

@hols2 he gives all his profits to charity:

https://nutritionfacts.org/faq/

Im getting there slowly. Been veggie for years but have recently replaced butter and milk with non dairy alternatives. The biggest barrier to me being full vegan is that vegan cheese sucks big time.

He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based.

Man selling book promises to solve all your problems by following some incredibly simple yet hitherto unknown method that just requires you to buy his book to access? I assume I can find this book in the Shitehawk section of my local Waterstones?

Is this just another extreme diet trend?

Yes and no. Plant based food can be lovely, and we should all enjoy more of it. I certainly try to and can quite easily go a week meat free. It will not change your life. It will not fix all the issues you have.

Im making a change by eating plant based animals, like Lambs and Cows. They taste amazing and it will stop them farting methane, which is bad for the climate.

I'm the same. I was veggie for +10 years. Decided in the end I'd try and save the plants by eating the animals that ate them. Lovely stuff. I also eat some animals that eat other animals because killing is wrong. Lions, Tigers, Anteaters, Sharks etc.

I hardly have any dairy now , red meat never, fish sometimes. Chicken does get consumed but perhaps once a week.

Lots of beans and pulses (paaaaaaaaaaaarppp!)  and seasonal veg and fruit. Cabbage and greens are very hot right now (phhhhheeeeeeepppp!)

Although I am trumping like never before, they stink less due to aformentioned dairy reduction. (ffffffffffffffarp).

Mainly for my welfare and the environment. Dont really care about the animals, just happens to be good for them I guess if i dont eat them or their babies

he gives all his profits to charity:

After paying expenses, of course. Which will include lots of travel to promote the book, plus a car, plus rent on his office, which is probably in his house, etc. So who's auditing his claim that he's not making any money? And if he's not making money off the book, where does he get his money from?

And, even if the charity thing isn't a scam, his simplistic claim that it will fix all your health problems is still nonsense, as tomd pointed out.

Tried Green Oil on the bike without success.
Oh wrong thread?

Tried Plant Based a couple of Veganuary's ago. My teenage son had recently gone Vegan so I was doing it to show some solidarity. Lasted 7 weeks. Didn't feel great at all. Made an effort to get the right nutrients in, plenty of legumes and veg, but felt empty and hungry and ended up putting on weight.

Haters will hate this but started Keto last September. Have lost 2.5 stone and feel really well.

Tried Plant Based a couple of Veganuary’s ago.

Didn’t feel great at all.

I was looking for experiences of people that made the change.

I'm not suggesting that you buy the book (which to be honest can be summarised in one sentence).

He is a doctor and it does look like he has used a science/evidence based approach. They currently have a team of researchers reviewing new papers when they are released. He isn't the only one currently giving this advice.

I'm just skeptical that this just appears to be the latest fad.

He also has an app:

https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/12/31/free-app-for-android-and-iphone-and-top-10-videos-of-2015/

Which is free.

Mick

I have been vegan for a while and I'd say while it's been brilliant for me (lost weight, never been fitter etc.) it's not for everyone. Mrs Grey went vegan at the same time (in fact she initiated it) and it went very badly indeed. Despite having the exact same diet she ended up anaemic, tired, unable to get enough protein (she's a small lady and can't eat huge meals) plus she had trouble with wheat causing "intestinal distress". Turns out she also had issues with dairy though, so I guess it all balances out!
I have issues with "game changers" as it's pushing an agenda and is a bit unbalanced in its claims (even if I agree with the principles).

He is a doctor and it does look like he has used a science/evidence based approach.

My money is on his approach being to cherry-pick published research to find supporting evidence, then to try to discredit any findings that he disagrees with. Hence the team of "researchers" reviewing new papers. They aren't researchers in the sense of conducting research, just in the sense of reading published research. Two things to look for here: 1) Are they accepting research findings that have been rejected by peer-reviewed journals?; 2) Are they rejecting research findings that have been reviewed and accepted by peer-reviewed journals?

He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based.

Even Coronavirus?

Coronavirus, no problem, just eat lots of broccoli:

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/viral-infections/

@hols2 buy the book and find out the facts for yourself, pages 465-641 (176 pages) are all his references.

I have zero interest in this thread but am going to take the time to tell you how much meat I eat or crack a funny about tasty tasty bacon.

Then I'm going to tell everyone on a What Tyre For... thread about my Hi-Fi.

I’ve gone plant based, well full SWMBO went full vegan.

I thought they were synonyms. What's the difference?

There is no proper definition of "plant based". So it can mean whatever you like. Could eat meat for one meal per week, then claim it is as plant based diet.

And veganism is not just a diet.

I thought they were synonyms. What’s the difference?

A plant-based diet is a diet *based* around plants, which can include flexitarian, meat, etc. Sometimes the focus is on whole food vs processed.

In the 1980s, Dr. T. Colin Campbell introduced the world of nutrition science to the term “plant-based diet” to define a low fat, high fiber, vegetable-based diet that focused on health and not ethics.

The term “vegan” was created in 1944 by Donald Watson — an English animal rights advocate and founder of The Vegan Society — to describe a person who (as far as practicable) avoids using animals for ethical reasons. Veganism refers to the practice of being vegan.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/plant-based-diet-vs-vegan

‘vegan’ has recently been co-opted as a catch-all buzz-word for processed foods that contain no animal products. The word has also been used to describe a diet that excludes meat or dairy.

It’s little wonder that people find it confusing.

buy the book and find out the facts for yourself

It's not necessary to buy the book to know that anyone promising a simple remedy for all health issues is a quack.

pages 465-641 (176 pages) are all his references.

It doesn't matter how many pages of references he has, he's a quack.

So it can mean whatever you like.

Great. I'm plant-based then. I think I might have a tomato with my steak and chips tonight.

A plant-based diet is a diet *based* around plants, which can include flexitarian, meat, etc

So veg should form the bulk of a meal? What's new?

Right, I see. So the key word here is "based," one could say perhaps that they had a "vegetarian-based diet" if they were mostly vegetarian apart from the occasional sweaty kebab on the way home from the pub, like someone described as flexetarian earlier?

Isn't flexetarian a bit of a weird one? It basically means "I eat what I want," which is surely what most folk do anyway unless they're of the ilk who cannot countenance any meal that doesn't contain meat?

What’s new

Nothing is new. The sciencey ‘Plant-based diet’ was coined in the 1980s. Changing/misapplied/new definitions and resultant confusion is/are as old as our chimpy selves.

Pictures may help.

https://www.forksoverknives.com/plant-based-diet-vs-vegan-diet-whats-the-difference/#gs.z3dakr

unless they’re of the ilk who cannot countenance any meal that doesn’t contain meat?

Every meal I eat must contain fake meat.

I'm a Quornivore

The fact that it says "scientifically proven" on the cover should be enough to give the game away. I hope it has an extensive preface on how he's arrived at the impossible.

It’s not necessary to buy the book to know that anyone promising a simple remedy for all health issues is a quack.

which is surely what most folk do anyway unless they’re of the ilk who cannot countenance any meal that doesn’t contain meat?

I try to eat plant based. I have also read this book and I dont believe his claims are exaggerated.

With my job I have listened to lots of Drs and nutritionists talking about the power of plants and I 100% believe it.

I have also seen so many of my clients health improved after cutting out rubbish and eating plant based.

Couldn’t find any evidence that he’s made this claim. Where have you seen him say it?

geomickb
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He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based.

@hols2 so you've just seen something on social media, taken it as gospel rather than fact-checking it, then gone off on one?

so you’ve just seen something on social media, taken it as gospel rather than fact-checking it, then gone off on one?

I'm quoting the person who started this thread. The justification was that following the advice in the book would cure all your health issues. I say that's bollox.

@hols2 you called the author "a quack" on the basis of something that, as far as I can see, he's never said. Without being too confrontational, is that not a bit stupid?

Wife's been vegan for a couple of years, I've stuck with it after doing veganuary this year. Don't really miss meat TBH. Not sure if I've lost any weight due to diet don't really feel much different. Although I do seem to be getting more mouth ulcers which could indicate a deficiency of B12. Mostly doing it for environmental and ethical reasons. Was off the dairy for a year prior.

One thing I would say is that just because food is plant based or vegan doesn't mean it's healthy. Especially convenience food that can contain high levels of salt and have quite a lot of precessed ingredients and fat in there, thinking of a Greggs Steak Bake https://www.greggs.co.uk/bakes/vegan-steak-bake. Tasty in a dirty way though, a bit like Louise 🤣

OP, other half is vegan so we as a household are by default more ‘plant-based’ than most. For me making the ‘switch’ has been fascinating. Most of my own meals are vegan-friendly/plant-based. I still eat offaly crap sometimes, but more often crisps and bread and cheese and chips and rubbish because I have an eating-disorder related to depression. I know the way out is to eat ‘cleanly’ but it seems that sugar is like heroin for me. That’s a different subject, so.

Cooking vegan-friendly whole food meals at home from scratch has been challenging and very positive. So much cheaper, ‘cleaner’, and very tasty. It’s not been easy to get there (as a lifelong member of consumer-culture/ready-meals etc) unless one has an interest in cooking or at least a lot of commitment.

Lucky for me I love food and cooking. Unlucky for me I also love eating chocolate and chips and bread etc. So Mrs Rider is ideal BMI with ‘perfect’ blood results as of two weeks ago (results in from Holborn Neuro hospital) including her B12 levels, so much so that her consultant said they were (quote) ‘better values in my experience than those I see from most people who don’t follow a vegan diet’*

On the other hand I’m probably on the road to an early death just on account of my waistline and sugar-consumption - unless I clean up my act, and fast. This is arguably familial/cultural as my whole immediate family are overweight and/or treated for diabetes. For them the ‘cure’ of plant-based whole-food diet would be a living hell of no biscuits, no milk chocolate and no pork pastries. I feel trapped somewhere in between knowing (and even enjoying) what’s better, and then the pizza-devil whispering in my ear.

Same goes for the living planet - unless we can all clean up our act, and fast. The fact that so many people still disagree over the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding the Earth’s inability to absorb our damaging habits is quite literally damning.

*She eats a teaspoon or two of B12 flakes (nutritional yeast) every day.

Although I do seem to be getting more mouth ulcers which could indicate a deficiency of B12.

The book has some nuanced and well researched content, but presumably for marketing reasons has gone for a sort of "click bait" title to get traction and clearly it is meant to be picked up as a cure all. It's worked - we're all talking about it.

If the title was "Evidence Based Approach to Diet and Lifestyle" would we be talking about it?

but presumably for marketing reasons has gone for a sort of “click bait” title to get traction and clearly it is meant to be picked up as a cure all.

I bet you have just described a LOT of people in the UK and a huge number (the majority?) in the US.

That's probably true, to be fair.

I once went Down South for a team meeting followed by going for a curry. Halfway through my boss suddenly exclaimed, "where's your meat?!" He couldn't comprehend how I could order a meal without it. (There then followed a half-hour tedious cross-examination, but that's another story.)

With my job I have listened to lots of Drs and nutritionists talking about the power of plants and I 100% believe it.

Do you actually mean "nutritionist" or was that a typo? Nutritionist isn't a protected term, Gillian McKeith is a nutritionist. Binners could call himself a nutritionist and I expect his books would be wildly popular. Dietician is the protected profession, I'd be listening to what they say over any nutritionists.

And what are these doctors doctors in? I wouldn't be taking dietary advice from a pediatrician either.

Binners could call himself a nutritionist and I expect his books would be wildly popular.

Pictures, Pastry, Pints and Politics : A life well lived

This has got me thinking, I should write a book called "taste-based" where I extoll the benefits of eating stuff you like the taste of, on the basis its makes you happy and happy people tend to be fit healthy people.

Or alternatively a people-based book where you go full cannible and eat other people, since we are the ones messing up the planet, not the plants, animals and imigrants.

@Jon Taylor - that recipe book - the green roasting tin, Does it include gluten in every recipe?

This has got me thinking, I should write a book called “taste-based” where I extoll the benefits of eating stuff you like the taste of, on the basis its makes you happy and happy people tend to be fit healthy people.

What are you like when you're not ‘thinking’? 😜

cannible

Can nibble?

You would have to be an idiot to take the title literally, as it would seem to claim to make you immortal.

Or perhaps someone who doesn't like people cynically exploiting people's biases to sell books. Like I said before, a science based book that says "scientifically proven" on the front cover is clearly pandering to idiots for commercial gain.

you called the author “a quack” on the basis of something that, as far as I can see, he’s never said. Without being too confrontational, is that not a bit stupid?

Nope, not stupid, he's a quack and his team of "researchers" don't actually do any research.

It’s worked – we’re talking about it. each other’s opinions of it, especially those of us who haven’t read it

FTFY

Couldn’t find any evidence that he’s made this claim. Where have you seen him say it?

geomickb
Member

He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based.

This is an unintentionally brilliant example of how social-media/click-bait and keyboard-warring work together to create new myths from something that someone said about someone saying something about something.

Binners could call himself a nutritionist and I expect his books would be wildly popular.

Pictures, Pastry, Pints and Politics : A life well lived

I'm picturing BBC2, 10pm on a Tuesday night with Alan Bennet sat in a big armchair, by an open fire, can of Stella in hand, extolling the virtues of cheese and onion pasties.

I need to get writing, don't I?

"It’s not necessary to buy the book to know that anyone promising a simple remedy for all health issues is a quack."

I'm not so sure about this. I think that most heath issues can be prevented with a "good diet".
Some of the big ones are heart disease and diabetes. A "good diet" can also reduce chances of certain cancers.

The question is, what is a "good diet".

That may the title for my book (I will be keeping all the profits and spending them on bikes)!

Mick

I need to get writing, don’t I?

I'd buy it but it'd need to be the special collectors edition with the pastry front cover.

I do wonder whether books such as the one being discussed fall into one of two categories:

1) Stuff that's already common knowledge, just presented in new pants.

2) Outright quackery, cynically designed to sell books.

We're at a point now where really we have a pretty good handle on what constitutes a good diet vs a poor one, and both plant-based and carnivorous diets can easily fall into either of those buckets. Actual revolutionary new discoveries are likely to be thin on the ground I'd have thought.

Eg, my better half is on Slimming World at the moment. Their entire approach appears to be: eat as much as you want; stop eating lard; stop eating sugar; avoid flour; and knock the six pints of Foster's of a night out on the head. Which seems to me just to be fairly sensible advice, wrapped up in a programme where you give them a fiver every week and they give you a recipe book and gold stars for good behaviour. She's lost a stone so far (and was tiny to start with despite her protestations to the contrary) so it seems to be working...

I didn't intend this thread to focus so much on this one book. There are currently a lot of plant-based books, podcasts etc.

Eg Rich Roll and Bosh

I'm not plant-based but I do enjoy visiting the local vegan cafe. I really like eating out and feeling healthy after, not the usual British cafe dining experience. I also bought one of the Bosh books and have been enjoying a few of their meals.

I do like eating more veg and believe that it is healthier but I can't imagine doing it full time. I would never know what to do for brekko or lunch every day.

Mick

I’d buy it but it’d need to be the special collectors edition with the pastry front cover

I'm not sure binners would be entirely comfortable publishing a book with a single pastry lid though.

would never know what to do for brekko or lunch every day.

Two out of your three meals a day are animal-based? Ironically I find that breakfast (porridge or rye/sourdough toast and peanut butter, some fruit) are the easiest meals to imagine and prepare.

As a former baconite then this stuff (see thread) has made Sat/Sun breakfasts fun as well, especially combined with an egg and/or some colcannon hash 🤤

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/this-isnt-bacon/

Not plant based, but have been borderline vegetarian (not vegan) for most of the year for fad diet reasons.

I seems to sleep a lot better, energy levels stabilized a bit once I got used to having to eat quite a lot more (there's obviously less fat in plants, and don't need so much fat to cook, and I'd been limiting carbs anyway).

would never know what to do for brekko or lunch every day.

Breakfast is easy, basically anything that isn't a bacon sandwich would work. Anything from whey protein meal replacement shakes to porridge depending on my plans for the day.

Lunch, soup. Either home made or available in a bazillion flavors fro the supermarket. Add a sandwich for carbs if I'm doing any riding or swap for leftovers.

Dinner, currently stuck in a cycle of stir fry, veg curry, bean chilli and lentil ragu / arrabiata. Pretty uninspiring, but TBH that's an average meat eating week just missing the steak and chips days.

My only issue is getting enough protein. To get anywhere near the 1g/kg mark without supplements would mean eating nothing but beans and pulses for every meal. As a result my arms and legs have gotten noticeably skinnier!

To get anywhere near the 1g/kg mark without supplements would mean eating nothing but beans and pulses for every meal.

is that true?

As a veggie you also have options of protein-rich foods such as nuts, whey protein, eggs, cottage cheese, milk, soy*, etc etc

*Yes soy is a bean but you can eat tofu, TVP, soy-protein products etc for variety.

As for legumes ;for example) I eat lots of red lentil soups, curries and stews and just like chicken soup I always look fwd to it and usually pig-out.

look at combining legumes and carbs like rice for ‘complete proteins’

Here’s some info https://vegfaqs.com/lentils-vs-meat/

Been vegan for 15 months, veggie before that for a year. I love it. I would say it’s pretty easy if you are into cooking. I tended to try and cook new meals a few times a week when I ate meat as I got bored of food easily. I find vegan food less boring but still have to mix it up to keep it interesting

To be honest I wouldn’t recommend it. Everyone around you all of a sudden seems to think they can question the nutritional value of everything you are eating while they eat McDonald’s. How do you get your protein/calcium/vitamin etc etc
No one ever talked to me about nutrition and being healthy when I ate meat. The second I actually put some effort into eating right everyone is an expert!
Then you got the vegans, so many knob head vegans, you shouldn’t use this or that, x company isn’t vegan, im more vegan than you etc.
Minefield innit!
Well that all sounded a little bi polar!

I eat a *mostly* plant-based diet for environmental reasons and ethical - and never felt better/fitter. Ditching dairy was a game-changer. People seem to have developed a weird fetish for meat however, so I can't see too many changing. It's like it becomes part of their identity and being challenged on it makes them feel like their sense of self - or maybe their masculinity - is under threat. You can generally tell people to smoke/drink less and they'll reluctantly agree, but try telling them about meat and they seem to have an existential crisis - as evidenced by the many 'meat eaters' who flock to these threads to declare We Eat Meat and We're Not Gonna Change.

Although, that said, recent events are really encouraging - I think given the recent outbreak (where strangely, virtually no discussion of the meat industry, which is responsible for this current crisis, has taken place!), plus the fact the planet is in the midst of a worsening mass extinction largely due to agriculture, plus the endless chronic illnesses inflicted on health services due to over-consumption of meat, and the fact that, basically, cheap abundant bacon/pork/etc. is basically going to see our children going back to having legs/arms amputated because of antibiotic resistance, is finally starting to hit home with people.

@thisisnotaspoon

Meant to post you this link it should be helpful, ie a good rule of thumb = protein to make up 15% of your daily calorific intake. Also discusses and links good sources of plant-based protein 👍🏼

https://www.nomeatathlete.com/where-vegetarians-get-protein/

To get anywhere near the 1g/kg mark without supplements would mean eating nothing but beans and pulses for every meal.

is that true?

If you're worried about protein & don't mind processed stuff, Quorn & the like (stuff made from soy or pea protein for example) are packed with it. Obviously snacking on nuts or stuff like peanut butter is going to help a lot too.

Never sat down to work it down but I'm sure most people will be fine. Not worried at all personally as I eat fish a few times a week & the odd Huel shake too lol.

As a result my arms and legs have gotten noticeably skinnier!

Just some observations.

I have reduced my meat intake over the past few years. Eat more fish, veg, salad these days. Creating veg only meals is not difficult but I have no intention of giving up meat completely.

If for some reason I did decide to go veggie or vegan, I don't think it's mea I would miss most. I couldn't imagine life without dairy products - but then I can eat cream off a spoon and butter off the knife. Yum.

The current common argument against meat seems to be production of greenhouse gases. However there is a counter argument that mixed agriculture is required to keep soil in good condition.

Oh and the elephant in the room. The only reason meat eating or greenhouse gases or global warming is even an issue is population levels.

If for some reason I did decide to go veggie or vegan, I don’t think it’s mea[t] I would miss most. I couldn’t imagine life without dairy products

Being vegetarian doesn't preclude that.

Y'know, if you give a toss about labels. Eat what you want. Don't eat what you don't. Easy, really.

No but a lot of veggie types don't eat dairy. Just saying, IF I decided to drop something in my diet, meat (much as I love it) would probably be an easier thing to stop than dairy. It's merely an observation as it isn't going to happen.

are you sure they weren’t just fat? 😃 An easy way to tell is: are you lifting less in the gym? Or the same (or more!)?

Slower on the flats, quicker uphill, so ive certainly lost more weight than power so its not all bad.

My arms have definitely lost muscle though, and i think my legs have too. Ive not lifted any weights for years but always had a big build, how much of that is a predisposition and how much was down to eating and exercising in (generally) equal measure.

Basicly I'm thinner, but I dont think I look healthier. Not writing it off yet, some of that will be down to losing weight overall.

Meant to post you this link it should be helpful, ie a good rule of thumb = protein to make up 15% of your daily calorific intake. Also discusses and links good sources of plant-based protein 👍🏼

Cheers will have a look.

15% / 100g / 400 calories.

Sonething like chickpea curry has only 11g of protein in a 500cal portion. Whereas the same curry with a chicken breast has 40g.

Im sure there's better options than chickpeas, but thats the ones that generally get suggested as veg based protein.

I didn’t intend this thread to focus so much on this one book.

Which explains posting a picture of the book cover plus a gushing endorsement of it, along with bugger-all else.

And then later:

buy the book and find out the facts for yourself

No, of course you didn't intend to focus on this one book.

@hols2 you seem to be confused, did you read my original post?

Where is the gushing endorsement?

Here are my original questions again:

"Has anyone made the switch?
Is this just another extreme diet trend?"

Why has this made you so angry?

Please go and troll somewhere else.

Why has this made you so angry?

Please go and troll somewhere else.

I'm not angry and I'm not trolling. But, when someone says, "He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based," the bullshit meter comes out. If people do have serious health problems, they need to get professional advice, not read some populist miracle cure book.

I don’t see how the subject of just eating plants gets so many people irate! How can people get so wound up over something that literally doesn’t affect them?

and I’m not trolling.

I dunno, you're not contributing anything useful and keep coming back to stir an argument.

“He is suggesting that we can resolve all our current health problems by going plant-based,” the bullshit meter comes out

Or learn not to take everything literally, you could quite easily also read that as being on a statistical basis. Eating less bacon won't help you survive a car accident, but might lower rates of cancer, dementia bacon memes on facebook.

So yes, if you have a car accident, or already have a medical problem, it's probably best to call 999 or your GP before reaching for the crudites and hummus. If you're otherwise healthy, maybe lay off the things that raise pressure, like meat and engaging in pointless nit-picking arguments on the internet.

Sonething like chickpea curry has only 11g of protein in a 500cal portion. Whereas the same curry with a chicken breast has 40g.

I love a chickpea curry, but are there not some differences in the "quality" of protein from different sources in terms of how the body processes them? Like 10g of protein from say lentils is not exactly equivalent to 10g from say an egg or bit of fish.

I really, really like lentils, chickpeas etc. I do find I need to watch how often and how much I eat them as I don't feel particularly good if I eat a lot of them, particularly as an evening meal. I would end up in quite a bad way if I ate legumes for dinner for a week.