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I got stopped by the Police doing 70 just after the Forth Road Bridge, which is still a 50 mph zone for about half a mile till the M90 starts. I slowed down as soon as I realized there was a Police car behind me. Vehicle check showed my MOT had just expired by a week too.
Feel a twerp, but accept the consequenses.
Whats the worst that will happen points - fine wise?
Whats the worst that will happen points - fine wise?
Don't worry about the points, it's the public flogging that should worry you!
Ouch. Could well be 6 points I reckon, perhaps more if you got them on a bad day. Speeding in a car which has no MOT might lead to charge of driving without insurance. Fines probably going to hurt too.
Unless they decided you were an arse I would think fixed penalties for both - 3 pts and £60 for the speeding - dunno what the MOT is
Fines probably going to hurt too.
How much will it hurt? X = £££?
Officers said it would be open to the discretion of the PF.
Police were pretty fair.
I guess that means you will get a plead guilty by post thingy for the no MOT.
No bullshit excuses - they hate that. Just a " you got me bang to rights guv" admission
PF?
You'll Deffo get more than 3 points for the speeding offence. If they were going to deal with it via fixed penalty, they would have explained that to you already.
You will no doubt be up before the magistrate, probably expect 4-5 points.
Not sure about the mot though, best get it sorted tomorrow if possible, show willing etc and that the car has no defects.
I missed my mot last year by a month, only realised when I tried to tax it online. Didn't get pulled though luckily and it sailed through the test.
No bullshit excuses - they hate that. Just a " you got me bang to rights guv" admission
I signed a statement to that effect in the car.
I dont have any points just now so I'm not a habitual twerp.
PF = Procurator Fiscal, jock version of CPS
Not sure about the mot though, best get it sorted tomorrow if possible, show willing etc and that the car has no defects.
I'll have it booked in first thing tomorrow for the MOT.
I doubt there is any provision for a short lapse in its validity.
I think at 20 over that will be fixed penalty - the reference to the courts will be for the no MOT - and that is a plead by post normally.
20 mph over is within the normal range for fixed penalty i believe
Edit - not so sure now I have checked but no summons - can be dealt with by post.
I slowed down as soon as I realized there was a Police car behind me
Thats where you went wrong, you should have put your foot down and outrun them, rozzers can't drive for peanuts you could have burnt them off easy. And even if you were a bit unlucky and got caught, acording to the daily mail the maximum penalty for being a chav twonk would have been a slap on the wrist.
Oooops! Take it like man.
How much to get your car back?
Brave man admiting a speeding ticket on here. The self rightous tendency will no doubt be along shortly to inform you you are the anti-christ.
That should never be a 50mph limit out there.
Stocks or Ducking Stool sir 😀
Lothian and Borders Traffic police? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! - been nice riding with you; see you in 3 years 😉
I got done for no MOT a while ago, was totally convinced I had one. £30 fine made out on the spot rising to £60 if not paid within 2 weeks.
no MOT means you have no valid insurance, speeding is 3 points and driving without valid MOT is another 3 + fines which the policeman who stopped you should hhave told you what these were unless he referred you to a magistrate.
I thought they took the car away i.e no MOT no insurance.
No
I used to have my three cars insured through one company, all three policies started the same time. I'b been with them for years and they just renewed my policy each year. Only one year they missed a vehicle out, they sent me the documents but didn't take a premium for one.
That was the one I was driving when they stopped me. 6 points £200 fine and vehicle towed away, ££££'s to get it back and me and my lad left stranded.
They had been insured every year through my business and I'd had continuous insurance for 32 years.
Lucky I didn't hit anyone I guess, was annoyed though
from a post earlier this week. And it was parked up at the time.
NO MOT does not mean no insurance automatically - only if the car is unroadworthy IIRC
Uponthedowns =- wht most of us can't stand is people who bleat about getting speeding tickets - calling them taxation or some such bollox or complaining the cops should be out catching real criminals.
McMoonter has failed to bleat or complain about getting the ticket in any way.
TJ you'd have to have a very friendly insurance company to overlook the 'get out on any excuse' clause. Though strangely my premium dropped a massive amount after that?
There is a lot of nonsense written up there ^
http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/crimertotable.htm
No MOT is a non-endorsable offence which carries a £1000 maximum fine. I would also be mightily annoyed if I got more than 3 points and a £60 fine though.
The possession of a valid MOT certificate only signifies that the car was roadworthy at the moment it was tested. It is not a certificate of roadworthyness for the entire year. This is why the absence of a MOT certificate does not invalidate your insurance (only being unroadworthy would invalidate it).
On the MOT- if you had a crash your insurers can sidestep any payout.
Worsecase your looking at 3points + 3 points IMO.
i got caught speeding and couldn't find my license so got done for 'driving without a licence'. I did actually have one which the DVLA confirmed, i'd just lost it.
Got 3 points 60 quid fine for speeding.
20 pound fine for losing my license
HoratioHufnagel - nonsense.
I was once buzzed by a traffic Policeman after I went passed him at 90 on the motorway. He slid down his ramp and came up my rear, the side then the front then pulled back over.
I was oopsy-daisy'ing myself!! 😆
Just seams daft that they can remind us when our road TAX is due but cannot be bothered to remind us very busy folks that our MOT is about to Expire dispite the fact that its all on the DVLA computer now,
Just goes to show all the police are interested in is revenue, if you get your house broken into or your bike stolen they dont give a monkeys as its not going to make them any money.
no MOT=3rd party only insurance.
RNP stop spouting utter drivel.
exactly jd-boy. If driving over the speed limit was really as dangerous as is made out we wouldn't be able to do it and cars wouldn't be built to go 140mph+
Kev
oldgit - in the situation you talk about you had no insurance. Nothing to do with the MOT.
With No MOt it does not automatically mean no insurance. The police databases will show a valid insurance certificate thats all they care. Your insurance company may try to get out of paying a clai9m on the grounds that the car was unroadworthy but that is not the same thing has not having insurance.
See what happens when you leave Fife, McM ...
It was his first time out.
So, regardless driving a car on a public highway without a valid MOT is an offence. Unless you are driving to a pre-booked test. So, in theory he can be charged with driving an unroadworthy car. If your MOT certificate has expired its not CERTIFIED to be on the road. No?
Jimmyshand you're spot on with your answer about MOT being a fine only. And dead right about some of the nonsense being spouted! An FPN can only be given for one offence and as there's two here, they obviously decided to go the court route for both.
You can be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle only if it is unroadworthy regardless of whether it has a valid MOT or not. Driving an unroadworthy vehicle has many endorsable offences within its classification. Driving a car without a MOT is non-endorsable.
See what happens when you leave Fife, McM ...
It was his first time out.
Thats it, I'm never going Sooth again.
I think you'll be lucky to only get 3 points for 70 in a 50...
http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/speedingoffences/drivingbanspeedingoffences.htm
But at least you shouldn't get a ban.
first offense? you'll probably get away with crucifixion.
With No MOt it does not automatically mean no insurance
I speak from experience and it's not pretty.
18 years ago I bought a car from by sister, she told me it was MOT'd, I got it insured, I drove it, I got stopped, I was given a producer, I went looking for the MOT, my sister and the garage failed to come up with anything.
I got a £800 fine and 9 points for driving without Insurance, as according to the court the lack of MOT invalidated my insurance.
Oh and I'm still ****ing bitter about it now!
Nick. I dont know what the score was back then, but it is not the case now. You do realise that a police sergeant on this thread has already said this dont you?
Jimmy - the police do often make mistakes with the law - but I believe you are right
jimmyshand - MemberRNP stop spouting utter drivel.
ok I guess its changed then. I crashed my golf into someone-my fault, fully comp insurance, expired MOT, paid out the 3rd party but not me. Swinton insurance, but going back some years.
No MOT = void insurance = uh oh...
Surf_Mat = talking bobbins.
speeding offence + notifying STW = Castigated and thrown to the [s]Wolves[/s] TJ
Hora - have I castigated him? No because HE HASN'T BLEATED!!!! he has held his hands up to it.
its people bleating about getting caught speeding I can't stand.
Castigated and thrown to the Wolves TJ
Unless it was on a motorbike, then he will say it was probably a safe speed as a motorcyclist has superior abilities due to their advanced training.
8)
MF - were you born a plonker? Why do you have to continue to invent things I apparantly have said?
...and their ability to arrive at developing hazards quicker... 8)
😆
Jimmyshand - oh yes of course I am:
Why you need an MOT certificate
It is generally an offence to use on a public road, a vehicle of testable age that doesn’t have a current test certificate, except when:
taking it to a test station for an MOT test booked in advance
bringing it away from a test station after it has failed the MOT test, to a place of repair
taking it to a place, by previous arrangement, where problems that caused the vehicle to fail its MOT test, can be repaired
bringing it away from a place where the problems with the vehicle have been repaired
Even in the above circumstances you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it doesn’t comply with various regulations affecting its construction and use. [b]Your car insurance may also be invalid.[/b]
From http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108
Please now back up your statement and find me an insurance company that will pay a claim on a vehicle with no MOT...
Your car insurance may also be invalid.
There you go. I'll use your statement to win my argument for me. Your car insurance MAY be invalid. Just like your car insurance would be invalid if you have a MOT certificate, but your car was unroadworthy.
surf mat - and there is a difference between not having insurance and the insurance company attempting to avoid paying. One person on this thread had his 3rd party costs paid despite no MOT - thats valid insurance in place despite no MOT
Do you think if the OPs insurance was not valid the cops would have done him for it instead?
Whatever.
Surf_Mat - Shut up you fool.
FIIGGGHHHHTTTTT!!!!
haha what is it they say about jack of all trades again ?
As for the reminder part of this thread.
Look at the front of your cert there is a little sticky label with info on it remove this from cert and stick to windscreen or above "tax" disc holder. Job done. Wonder why they put this wee sticky on it in the first place.
Oh and if it's too difficult to remember when your tax and MoT are due then perhaps you are operating outwith your parameters.
Thanks Jimmy - Amy McDonald fan that thinks all you need for a overnight bike camping trip is gaffa tape. Yep, I'll be waiting with baited breath for your next bit of "advice."
Oh you are also an MTBer in...
Lincoln. 😆
Trot along.
Plenty top class riding within easy reach of Lincoln.
Oh yes of course - looks at those hardcore rolling fields, that mountainous urban sprawl, those cracking forests and all the amazing coastal trails.
[url= http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lincoln&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.044769,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lincoln,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.237941,-0.541849&spn=0.110957,0.308647&t=f&z=12&ecpose=53.11341797,-0.53516989,20325.34,-1.839,34.306,0 ]The mountains of Lincoln[/url]
Lincolnshire is the "Holland" of the UK - I've been there a zillion times with work stuff. The place depressed me apart from the City itself which isn't bad. Countryside needs hills. End of.
SURF MAT HAS SPOKEN.
Surf-Mat - A few words for you. East Midlands Airport and Long Holidays.
Wow - it has an airport? Blimey, they don't do those down these parts - we all flap our arms and hope we make it over the Channel.
That's it - time to relocate to Lincoln.
surf matt - what MTB mecca do you live in?
I am guessing he lives in the best place in the country.
Cornwall - which has endless coastal trails, bridleways, Bodmin Moor, Dartmoor nearby, Exmoor, plenty of forestry land etc, etc.
It also has these funny bumpy things called "hills" as well.
Would anyone else guess that TJ doesn't own a car?
TJ + Google = knowledge 😀
Oh please stop it.
Mat all you do is make yourself look silly in these arguments.. just let it go, it'll be ok.. 🙂
Brave man admiting a speeding ticket on here. The self rightous tendency will no doubt be along shortly to inform you you are the anti-christ.
As mentioned - I don't have a problem with people who make mistakes, I have a problem with people who think they have the right to speed because they think they are better. TJ.
Surf-Mat - Member
Cornwall - which has endless coastal trails, bridleways, Bodmin Moor, Dartmoor nearby, Exmoor, plenty of forestry land etc, etc.It also has these funny bumpy things called "hills" as well.
No 'mountains' then? Waving your winky and lording it over someone living in another non-mountainous region doth not maketh you teh dood radster and uber-mountain-biker. It maketh you a winky-waver.
Hmmmm, I am thinking there is probably an appetite for a "pwned of teh week" thread.
SURF.....MAT.....IS....
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I think cynic-al needs to get himself fitted with a life.
Stalker geek...
And Bristol - good stuff a drive away but Bristol is hardly MTB heaven is it TooTall? And you WILL have your bike nicked very soon. Lived there for 8 years - Cornwall is about 1351351535 times better for MTBing.
MTBing in Lincolnshire is like DH skiing in Amsterdam.
I think you need to call yourself a Hillbiker 🙂
I think you need to call yourself "urbanbiker" then.
Me - I ride all over Scotland matey - even in the mountains - and there isn't a mountain within 100s of miles of you 🙂 I'm out in the mountains every few weeks
Surf-Mat - I bet I have easy access to better surf breaks than you too. 8)