What can I do to get ready other than run a lot??!
You could walk a half marathon is less time than that.
Thanks, want a 1:45 ish time
Be born a good runner.
Sub 2 hours is good. 1:45 is very good, if you're asking now I think you might be too late.
Unless like I said, you were born a good runner/have been a good runner earlier in life.
Edit- for balance I did I half marathon in october last year, started training properly in about april/may time, slacked off a bit over the summer and rode my bike more but from the end of august focused totally on running. I managed 2:05 and I don't think I could have gone much faster, I was HR Zone 3.9-4.5 the whole way round. Tailed off a bit after 9ish mile when my knees went though, I was probably on for 1.59ish
Don't run too much would be my advice - if you go out running loads straight away you'll end up damaging yourself.
Start slow, if you have cardio fitness from biking you will run too far and then be unable to walk for weeks - just do a half mile run, rest two days then up it a little, remembering to take rest days to recover.
Ohh, and don't believe the hype about getting 'proper' running shoes fitted with gait analysis and all that rubbish - just ensure you have a nice comfortable pair of decent running shoes.
EDIT: And I trained three/four times a week for 9 months (from a standing start having never run before) to complete the Great North Run in 1hr 46min. Unless you are very fit I doubt you'll be able to get sub two hours if you haven't started training yet.
do you run now, or starting from scratch?
Run every other day, start off running for 10 minutes then increase by a couple of minutes each session
run a lot??!
Avoid that. The worst thing is to get an over-running injury - says a man with achilles tendonitis now. Run smart not long.
Depends on where you are now. I would priorities steady accumulation of miles (6-7 milers) and some speed work.
But if you get any sign of achilles, calf, foot pain pull back immediately.
So background is everytime I run this I don't train I use my bike fitness ( and a whole heap of stubbornness ) and run 2hrs (it hurts)
I ran 5k the other morning and it was okay went steady took 27mins (2nd time I'd run this year, other time was in Jan)
Thought I might train this year..
Got 50 days
With 50 days, my advice would be to focus on enjoying rather than pushing too hard and getting injured.
Do some yassos for speed work and gradually up the 5k distance every three days or so.
But just have fun. Its a 10 mile jog to a three mile "race" - leave enough for the second "half"
5k in 27 mins is 8:42 min/mile pace (was that a pace you think you could sustain for 2hrs?) You'd need to up that to 8 min/mile pace to get a 1:45. If you don't run much then that sort of gain from training just might be achievable, though going from 2hrs to 1:45 is a huge jump.
Try and up your pace a bit too. Your target pace for half marathon is 8 min/mile so you really need to be looking to be comfortable running at that sort of pace. With 50 days to go I'd focus more on that than slow distance work. Do you have a way of measuring your pace so you know you're running at the right speed?
Not sure I could keep that going for 2hrs, could try 10k tomorrow and see if I can
I have Strava app that seems to tell me my pace
Firstly, I very much doubt you'll achieve a 1:45 if you are running 27 min 5 kms with 7 weeks to go.
Realistically, you have 6 weeks to train and some time to taper. If you really can run a 2:00 with no training, then I'm sure there's room for improvement. However, if you go out today and start pushing 8:00 min/miles I'd predict an injury before you see any improvement.
If I were in your position, I'd start running 5 km 2/3 times per week and do a long run once a week. I'd start at 10 km and up the long run by 2 km per week to peak at 18 km at week 5, then run a 10 km on week 6. If you want to work on you pace, only focus on this during your 5 km runs. The long runs should just be about completing the distance.
Would echo exactly what Tallpaul said - one run a week focusing on distance; three short runs a week aiming to build speed. I'd maybe be tempted to do long run on Sunday; 5k easy on a Monday; hill intervals on Wednesday and a fast 5k on a Friday
Right I'll try that! 5k's regular with a longer run once a week
I'll STRAVA!!!! the runs and paste them into this thread and we'll see how we get on :-/
What TallPaul said.
Bear in mind that it takes 3 weeks for a stress fracture to appear so don't jump into doing loads because you're feeling great as you can do real damage.
I'd suggest a weekly diet of:
- one longer steadier run to get you used to time on your feet
- one run up to 6km at race pace to build endurance (start at 4*1km with a minute's rest between, then build towards 1*6km)
- two easy runs to work on being light on your feet and good running style
Ohh, and don't believe the hype about getting 'proper' running shoes fitted with gait analysis and all that rubbish - just ensure you have a nice comfortable pair of decent running shoes.
Getting properly fitted running shoes made a big, positive difference for my shonky knee. Definitely worth it if you're having pains or problems.
Getting properly fitted running shoes made a big, positive difference for my shonky knee. Definitely worth it if you're having pains or problems.
It had the opposite effect for me – years of running in my particular style was 'corrected' which then led to knee and ankle problems.
It had the opposite effect for me – years of running in my particular style was 'corrected' which then led to knee and ankle problems.
Same here. Had the gait analysis and was recommended support shoes. Stuck with my usual brand of Mizuno and within 30km's my shins and knees were knackered so had to lay off running for a while. It was the only joint injuries I'd had despite being a heavy runner. Went back to my neutral shoes and although the first few runs caused my knees to ache no problem since.
I think there is a big difference to how you run on a treadmill for the analysis and how you run on the roads.
Thanks, want a 1:45 ish time
Watching with interest. Don't think it'll work (you'll need to increase your speed by 30% and maintain it for four times longer).
I'd aim to get round it in 2 hours 30 and enjoy yourself, since going at 1:45 pace will knacker you within three miles and ruin the whole experience.
Good luck though.
I'd suggest giving yourself a target of sub-2hrs to start with then build from that.
I trained to hit 1:45 for months, i'm a 22 min 5km runner and was consistently and easily sub-50 min on my 10km hilly training routes, but one niggly ankle injury and I hit 1:53 in my last 1/2 marathon instead
Don't underestimate the effort involved in dropping time and being able to consistently hold it. Set realistic goals for yourself and have a look at some of the plans online for improving your speed and endurance
The best thing you can do is just run more. Run fairly easily, perhaps 60-90 secs per mile slower than you would be racing. Build up number of runs per week and max length of run, but don't do it too rapidly or you might get injured. 10% per week (for both total mileage and max run length) is often quoted as a rule of thumb but you can probably push that a bit to be honest. If you're up to racing 5k quite hard maybe you could go and jog 8k twice a week right away, and take it from there. How about max runs of 8, 10, 12, 15, 18 over successive weeks and a bit of a taper before the 21.1.
If you intend to keep riding your bike then use that for recovery.
If you're up for a 'death or glory' approach then:
3 runs a week, one long (build to 10 miles?), one mid distance (4ish) but at or near your 'race pace' and one where you do some short intervals, say 3-6 X 400m with a rest in between. With 6 weeks to go I might build up slowly for two weeks - (do some, but not too fast intervals), have two weeks of harder work and then taper down for two weeks. You can keep the fast running in there as you taper, just cut the number of intervals.
The intervals are the sessions where you stand to gain most but also are the risky ones. You don't need to go all-out - if you do then something may well go 'ping'. Try and complete each one at the same pace each session, and just run at an 'uncomfortable' pace, then rest, then do it again.
When you get near the race, *then* you can set your goal. Based only my personal experience, take your last long run 10-11 mile pace, then take maybe 10-15 seconds per mile off of that (to account for that boost a race gives you).
[b]Don't run faster than that[/b], at least for the first 8-9 miles. If you are feeling great at mile 8-9, try pushing the pace for a mile or two, if you feel good at mile 11, push it again.
Do it that way and you will be passing all the people who set off 30s a mile faster than their longest run pace and have now blown up. It's far more motivating to be reeling in a steady stream of runners for the last 5 miles than to be passed because you have gone off too hard.
Just my 2p's worth.
Run 1 - 5km - Done!!
Felt okay, battery ran out on phone so bit of a learning there, reckon it will have been a < 25min 5k so I think thats my target time for now.
https://www.strava.com/activities/670912637/embed/7d4ef7bcdda3aafbe81dca5b3eed7f227295882c
Yup. Now run slower and longer. Well, not right now, but next time you go for a run. TBH if you are already running occasionally without getting bad DOMS you are off to a decent start, better than most cyclists and certainly better than I was 5 or 6 years ago.
What are DOMS? <Edit: Googled It - Get that if I play Squash!!! after not playing for a while>
To say it was only my third run this year, it felt okay, not easy but okay.
May try a slower 10k next
DOMS is when your thighs go sore and you can't walk downstairs a day or two after running.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_onset_muscle_soreness
Common for a cyclist who goes out for a very occasional run.
3 whiskys in and 10k later this morning is looking unlikely
You are in luck, as i have exactly what you need!
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Training plan is the usual thing of a bit of intervals to develop speed and some distance work to train for the distance peaking 2 weeks before and then tapering for the last week.
Obs with any training YMMV but I started massively unfit and the race was tropical so in theroy it would be easier for a regular cyclist in the UK.
I find the tricky thing as from a non runny history is not ruining achellies/hamstrings etc which affects training. I did change my technique to make sure i landed my heel shortly after footstrike rather than keeping my heel off the ground throughout my stride which i think helped a lot. Its better to have some heavier cushioned training shoes too.
I think it should be possible. I was running 10k in 50min about twice a month. I then tried to maintain that pace for a half marathon without doing any intermediate distance runs. Did it in 5.07min km. So lost a bit of pace but made the distance. Completely flat run though. So I reckon if you can get 10kppm to the time you want you should be able to get sub 2hr. No idea about training programs but I reckon just push a bit harder each week, get the pace first and then extend the distance.
As a biker who came to running late and now seems to run more than bike, here are my tips.
Be kind to your body, if it hurts stop. Find out why and fix it.
Also try and do at least 10 body weight lunges and squats and some planks a couple of times a week. The extra flexibility and strength will help a lot.
You may find this quite painful initially as I found that I had strong quads (front of leg) and weak glutes (your behind) from cycling.
Best of luck and have fun. Also vasaline or sport lube for longer distances or if it's raining will help.
Timings are just numbers and forcing things to hit a numerical target will just lead to injury. Speed and performance are dependant upon listening to your body, developing steadily and on enjoying what you're doing.
Okay just did a lumpy 10k
Took the pace back and felt good and could have gone further even increased last km pace to bring it in under an hour
DOMS!!!!!
Seems that climbing a 900m fell with a 10 year old that dances up like a mountain goat and weighs as much as I'm overweight by, followed by a 10k run with an elevation profile like Wizbit
= DOMs
I now have complete and utter leg shut down, somebody has replaced my calve muscles with painful jelly and my brain now looks at steps with a fear and anxiety only previously reserved for dentist chairs.
Ouch!!!
Go for a brisk walk.. Active recovery!
Then into the ice bath and a Thai massage to finish you off
Look on the bright side, you can run through it anyway, it's not like a proper injury, it just hurts.
I'm up to 7km thrice a week, just over 45-50 mins. Had DOMS last week as I did a tough hilly 50mile Road ride. I'm planning the one longer run a week starting this coming Friday.
Got two months to a 38 miler. From no running a few weeks ago. To be fair I probably won't do it as there's no real interest.
Thai massage booked!! Found advert in back of free paper.
They offered an optional 'Happy ending" not sure what that is but sounded good.
Got two months to a 38 miler. From no running a few weeks ago.
Run? Are you mental....??!!??
A proper Thai massage will have you almost begging for them to stop.. The happy ending is when it's all over and you get to leave... No pain.. no gain as mine tells me as she laughs sadistically
Set off to do 5K today and bailed because of knee pain, I'll try again tomorrow
Okay a week a bit and I tried again!
5k done https://www.strava.com/activities/703362589
Woefully behind now on training and now wondering if I'll get round a Half marathon let alone beat 2 hours
C'est la vie 😀
10k at a comfortable pace
https://www.strava.com/activities/706849413
Hopefully a couple of 5k runs this week the gonna try a 10 miler
5k this morning
Trying to balance a niggley knee with trying to train (although all hope is out of the window now)
Anyway, quicker pace this morning 1st time I've beaten 25mins for 5k
I doing the EHM in Warrington on Sunday. Due to other "stuff" I've had four weeks to prepare properly. Did my first 10 miler last Saturday in 1'40" which puts me on for 2'15".
I've never been a natural runner. I only started running seriously last year at age 49. I do Parkrun some weekends and I've done a couple of 10K races this year. If I finish in sub 2'20" I'll be a happy man. 1'45" is for serious runners.
You don't appear to be taking much notice to the half marathon training plan which I kindly shared 😆
Even when doing 5km it probably isn't helpful to run at race pace because it knackers you for next day's training. It is more productive to do a more gentle pace (preferably over a longer distance) with a few short interval of higher intensity in the middle, then you recover better and less likely yo skip out on next days training.
Sounds like you are mostly hampered by the knee though, it is worth trying to diagnose as per hammerites post as often a bit of stretching or targeted exercises can greatly help things. I myself lost a few weeks running recently because I binned my bike in a MTB race pileup and hit my knee 🙁
If you knee is hurting I'd be tempted too rest (no running for 1-2 weeks) or only do slow paced stuff and go for time over distance (keeping a high cadence to reduce stride length and therefore impact force).
I realise the speeds are different however you don't need to do every run fast. E.g. My race pace for Sunday's half was around 7mm (race time 1'31"). All my long training runs had been done between 9mm and 11mm for up to 1'30" as I was helping my neighbour prepare for his first half. He came in just over the 2 hour mark in the end having only started running last year. Although I hadn't done any distance at pace I had done over my target time at slow pace (i.e. I was used to moving for that amount of time).
On race day you are going to need to start steadily and then increase pace a little once you've settled into the run. If you have never gone that distance before then the last few miles are going to hurt.
Not so sure 1'45" is only for serious runners. I would also say I'm not a natural runner however I managed 1'43" on my first half with very little training (calf injury that only cleared a few weeks before the race). This weekends 1'31" was with just 2 runs a week (1 parkrun at 6.30pace and 1 slow 8-10 miler). Running regularly all year and dropping a few kilos seems to have helped more (felt normal on Monday where after my first half I ached for days). I'd really like sub 1'30" though which is going to need a fair bit more work.
I'll be interested to see how you get on. I'm down to sub 27 minute for 58 and just over 58 minutes for 10K and would be very, very happy for a time under 2hrs 10 minutes if I did a 10K. 1hr 45 sounds pretty unlikely.
I'm not convinced running fastish 5K's is going to help much with half-marathon training either - you really need to be doing longer runs.
I'm not convinced running fastish 5K's
You'd be surprised. My 10k and half times improved commensurately with my 5k performance, but I focussed disproportionately on 5k training. My half marathon time is 1:20, sadly it seems that is my physical limit. 🙁
I think any running is beneficial if you're going from none to half marathon.
I need to try a long run I think just to give me confidence and a better idea of pace
New aims though are (in order of priority)
1. Turn up a do it
2. Finish it
3. Somewhere near 2 hours
The knee hurty-ness is the front lower bit and I think it's mainly down to being a fatty that shouldn't run
Well the Half Marathon is a week today so I thought I better get a last run in
Tried to get stick to 9min miles
https://www.strava.com/activities/716284942
Pleased with that, felt good all the way, even went a bit quicker from 8miles
Put a HR monitor on for the first time and my cardio is fine, mainly in Zone2 for 1hr 14mins so HR at between 122 - 153, compare that to an XC race and my HR is at 70% in Zone4 (0ver 160) & 30% in Zone5 (Over 183)
+ I'm at least 3 stone over weight which can't help 😀 (probably why my knees hurt)
Knees now very sore 🙁
can't sleep
Ice your knee, Ibubrofen and co-codamol.. should see you comfortable to nod off. Pushing too much may have done it.. overweight may have compounded it.
Maybe pay more attention to your diet and try not to substitute exercise for your diet / over eating etc...
Barely eat
Drink like a fish though
😀
If you decide it's too late to do it fast and just want to get round get yourself a heartrate monitor and keep it low zone 3 or high zone 2. You'll be able to go a long way of you stick at that level.
Pretty comfortable about getting round
Ran 11.5 miles yesterday and was never struggling cardio wise, wasn't tired or out if breath at all, could have just carried on.
Engine good!
Legs useless though 🙂
If I get about 2hrs I'll be happy, once again I'm rubbish at training for stuff
Finished mine yesterday in 2'17". 2 minutes over what I estimated.
My experience? The first 10 miles I coped with quite well. The last 3 were hell. Legs very painful. Cardio not a problem. My running partner had a tight achilles before the race and suffered through.
It all comes down to getting the miles in your legs. Never really understood this but I do now. Next time I attempt a 13.1 I will put much more training in. If your legs are trashed then rest them.
Good work!
It does occur that cycling is a much nicer way to keep fit, running seems to hurt stuff
Half marathon is tomorrow
Good luck!
Good luck and hope you get to enjoy the run
Good luck
Good luck - stick to your plan if you can. So easy to get caught up in the moment at the start and go off too hard & suffer for it in the last 5km!
Good time, well done!
Well done Tiger <2hr first milestone crossed easily!
5k in 27 mins is 8:42 min/mile pace (was that a pace you think you could sustain for 2hrs?)
well that was quite prophetic from mrblobby, as unless i'm very much mistaken, 8 mins 42 x 13.1 = 1 hour 54
well done tiger! 🙂
Cheers all, pleased and a touch annoyed
I paced it a tad slow and finished quite fresh even though my fastest KMs were in the last 5k
Enjoyed it, back to the bike now, a lot more forgiving of the extra 3 stone 😀
Good way to do it esp first time out
a 10 mile run to a 3.1 mile race is a good philosophy
Nicely done. You say back to the bike but soon there will be that niggling desire to go faster!
Well done!
Ha! Totally paying for the lack training now.
Every muscle is oooooouuuuuuuhh!!!
Well done, the sore legs should be sorted by the weekend!
Wish I'd spotted this thread a few weeks back as it sounds like my own experience over that last few months, regular 5k and 10k runner in 23ish and 50ish. Decided in april to do a Half in September but got an email on a Monday morning for one that Saturday and thought I' give it a rattle with no real training (never ran over 8 miles before). First 10 miles were great then my knees decided I was walking the rest and hobbled round in 2.20 odds, struggled with a 7mile leg of the Belfast marathon a few weeks later so took a month off.
September then arrived very quickly and I realised my "training schedule" was up the left and really a few 5k and 20k runs and one 11 mile was the height of it. Was really pleased to finish the half in 1.53 and think it may really be time to be a bit more scientific about it.
Would love to do a 1.45 in another local half in spring and then sub 1.40 next September (or possibly give the full distance a crack in Dublin next October.
Will probably forget to train though..............
Got [url= http://www.illuminatorrun.co.uk/ ]this[/url] next month,have upped the training to brisk walking speed.
I am sure it will all be fine 😉
That looks like my kinda run. Love the dark and love the trails
Congratulations, really pleased for you. Keep running, it never gets easier but you do get faster.
Yeah now thinking about another... Maybe....
Logic goes like this
I've run 55 miles this year (13.2 of which yesterday) got a 1:54 which I'm pleased with
Surely 1:45 is do-able if I train a bit more.... 😀 (plus I'll lose weight and get faster on the bike - in theory)
My biggest problem with running is that you can't go buy performance gains.
well have you signed up for a full one yet?
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