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Put smaller wheels and/or tyres on the car. Less speed for any given speedo reading. She'll think she's speeding when she's not, sorted.

https://www.carbibles.com/tire-size-calculator/


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 6:59 am
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 have a mental plan in place for childcare etc

Actually maybe doing that or even a formal plan might help although I imagine it's a difficult conversation to take.

I'm wondering if the GPS would  actually help.  I don't habitually speed and always try to stay within the limits but I have been caught twice for speeding now (on the Dutch and French motorways) because I had missed a point where the speed had temporarily reduced.  Our car now has GPS that shows the speed limit and I find it helps.  Yes, I should see all the signs and not have to rely on an additional device but there is nothing wrong with a backup reminder


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 7:04 am
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and is so much less stressful I almost had trouble staying awake.

That sounds safe


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 7:28 am
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...Why do some folk find it difficult to believe that some of us are happy to drive at or under (conditions dictating) the posted limit?

Because it makes them feel better to claim “everybody does it”

I used to drive 65,000 miles a year for work, I drive at 60-65 on Motorways (on cruise control) and I’m fine with it, I get where I’m going just fine. And that’s 45,000 motorway miles a year.

I don’t see driving legally as being restricted, I don’t think I would drive much differently if the speed limits changed to be honest. It’s a relaxing way to drive.

Interestlingly, I also don’t seem to experience all the aggro a lot of other people seem to complain about all the time on the roads. 🤔


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 7:50 am
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Vested interest here... just about to get my first speeding points in 30 years.  It was poor observation on my part... I thought I was on a dual carriageway.  I wasn't.

As I have got older, speeding becomes less attractive ... there is a point when you realise you don't get there any quicker.  Though doing 155 mph down a German autobahn still has a thrill factor.

Constantly speeding, when she has the points she has , is just a sign of self obsession.  And continuing when you have received 9 points is just arrogance / denial or just an attitude that "the man is an arse".

You will not change that behaviour unless she sees an RTA first hand.  Let her lose her licence.

That said , everyone is getting evangelical about speeding.  I would guess that other bad driving will kill many more this year - phones, doing other stuff, talking to passengers, non-obs of other road users, intolerance of other road users, changing lanes with looking in mirrors, no lane discipline on roundabouts ... and drink & drugs.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:01 am
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Get the app, get it to ping at the speed limit, get her to treat it like a game/challenge/trial, driving for 2 weeks to the speed limit and not the 10%+2.

It's not an instruction to immediately start driving in a different way forever, which some can take to be daunting, impossible, like being asked to become a different person.   But two weeks, or even one, should be something she can accept and stick to, should be long enough to realise that it makes next to no difference to journey times, that it's a satisfying way of driving in itself.  It might encourage her to leave a bit earlier, or at least on time rather than 5 minutes late.

I don't know your wife, but that'd be my approach.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:06 am
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Love the way this thread has become not so much about the OP's wife's specific problem, or rather his problem with it and more about people's smug proclamations of rigid adherence to speed limits.

Did I deduce though that while TJ has zero tolerance with speed limits on four wheels, he's happy to gun it on a motorcycle? How exactly does that work then? I guess you don't care about the innocent members of the public and little ducklings you're putting at risk as long as you're having fun eh?


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:09 am
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If she disergards speed limits, does she also disregard the law on phone use?

Give her an ultimatum; make it clear that you will not accept any points and that you will not act as driver when she gets banned and that if she kills or injures somebody you will do everything you can to help her through the mental crisis that will follow, but you will never absolve her from the blame.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:09 am
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It was poor observation on my part… I thought I was on a dual carriageway.  I wasn’t.

Not having a dig at all, we all make mistakes, I'm just intrigued - this should be a pretty easy spot?  🙂  Not knowing the difference is one thing, but knowing and not recognizing?  I don't understand!


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:10 am
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Not having a dig at all, we all make mistakes, but this should be a pretty easy spot?  🙂  Not knowing the difference is one thing, but knowing and not recognizing?  I don’t understand!

Well, for one thing, stretches of single-lane road which then sprout an overtaking lane - so there are actually two lanes - are, I'm pretty sure, not classed as dual carriageway, so are still subject to a 60mph limit even though they look rather like dual carriageway.

And people make mistakes.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:17 am
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Getting lots of points is a rather unfortunate combination of driving relatively speedily and not having the wherewithal to spot the mobile cameras. Not a great combination. I feel for you.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:21 am
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BWD - nope - changed attitudes over a long period of time.  I used to be a habitual speeder including some very fast riding on a motorcycle.  I no longer own a fastish motorcycle.  I no longer speed when driving cars at all.  Partly growing up. partly changed circumstances, partly due to getting 6 pts partly due to discovering how much more relaxing and how little extra time it costs to drive to the limits


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:22 am
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smiley - Whoa!

they look rather like dual carriageway.

dual carriage way is when there's a central reservation/ armco/ trees between the two directions of travel.  There's two carriageways rather than one.  You could have a single carriageway with 3 lanes in both directions, or dual carriageway with singe lanes in each direction.  the difference is the stuff in the middle, which is pretty easy to spot if it's there!


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:23 am
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Actually maybe doing that or even a formal plan might help although I imagine it’s a difficult conversation to take.

We did this with a guy at work last year. He got pinged 3 times in a year, all in prototype cars.

What it came down to in extra outgoings and lost overtime would have been over 10 thousand quid.

So he does all his speeding on test tracks now.

Didn't even need to go into the moral implications, just the cash impact was enough to make him slow down.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:27 am
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It's defintately going to be your fault.....

You are clearly a terrible husband who only thinks of himself! A proper man would clearly offer to share his clean license and take some points for her!

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Posted : 03/05/2018 8:29 am
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Loose the keys for a week. When she has to get the bus and can't nip to the shops etc, she might take notice. Caught speeding 5 times and no sign of slowing down, I'll be brutal. She deserves everything she gets, I do feel sorry for the family as its not just her the ban or jail time will affect.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:30 am
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Just get her the car that mimics your username.. a rusty Nissan Prairie.

They were crap and slow when they came out new so I can only imagine they will be even slower now.

No further comments will be made on driving thread’s where this place is concerned.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:44 am
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dual carriage way is when there’s a central reservation/ armco/ trees between the two directions of travel.  There’s two carriageways rather than one.  You could have a single carriageway with 3 lanes in both directions, or dual carriageway with singe lanes in each direction.  the difference is the stuff in the middle, which is pretty easy to spot if it’s there!

Yes, I know. But I was explaining how someone not as aware as you might mistakenly think they were on a dual carriageway in a moment of inattention. Because hey, not everyone is as knowledgable as you and other STW expert drivers.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 8:53 am
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When my girlfriend got caught doing 34mph in a 30 she had to do a speed awareness course. She tried all the "it wasn't my fault...." stuff, but I just kept reminding her that she'd broken the law and jokingly referred to her as a criminal until she eventually got the point that she was in the wrong.

Sounds like you're just going to have to let her hit the dozen and let her deal with the consequences.

p.s. To all the mongos in this thread. It's lose not loose, FFS.

Lose: to misplace something

Loose: when something isn't tight


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:07 am
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OP: if she's really going to lose her job and still won't adjust her driving then there's nothing you can do. If she were drinking you'd stage an intervention but she's not, she's addicted to a style of driving and will not see anything wrong with it until her life goes pear shaped as a result (and even then it emphatically won;t be her fault).

Stand back and let it happen because you'll not change it and it'll harm your relationship if you try.

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nealglover: 60,000 miles a year

is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day - rather you than me.


 
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Because hey, not everyone is as knowledgable as you and other STW expert drivers.

As drivers we are all required to have a minimum level of knowledge though.  That's what that license thing is for.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:15 am
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nealglover: 60,000 miles a year

is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day – rather you than me.

Not uncommon.  I was an Account Manager for Coca-Cola for year, daily trips from Edinburgh or Borders to Perth / Dundee / Aberdeeen / Aviemore soon racks the miles up, I did similar to nealglover.  Bizarrely I never got any points whilst driving those sorts of miles, but have stacked a few up in recent years now that I don't drive for work any more.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:24 am
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Crash her in to a brick wall at 10mph that might change her opinion


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:35 am
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A fun game that changed my driving habits (somewhat) was trying to get the biggest MPG number possible on certain routine journeys.

I used to drive up the M3 and halfway round the M25 and into Essex regularly, often at night too when it's a lot clearer - started off by just 'Making good progress' but was always surprised how much fuel my car munched through (thirsty-ish 2.0 TSI).

Then the game was to get the best consumption figures possible. Less stressful, and it hurts your wallet less. The journey used to take pretty much a whole tank there and back, playing the consumption game I could return with a good half tank left.

Once I realised that I stopped bothering making progress, I despise going to the petrol station.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:39 am
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I don’t see driving legally as being restricted, I don’t think I would drive much differently if the speed limits changed to be honest. It’s a relaxing way to drive.

This. It's the speed limit. Deal with it. When i'm in a different country with a lower speed limit, eg 55 or so, it's almost always more relaxing to drive places. You plan for it.  If your day is so crammed that you can only be on time by doing 90 everywhere, then you've got to thin out the stuff you are doing.

Anyway, have you still got the fabled Rusty Nissan Prairie? Switch her onto that if so. A proper vehicle where you will know about the speed you are doing. 🙂


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:44 am
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This sounds terrible, but if she won’t be told then let her get banned.

This!

When I was young and stupid and working as a motorbike courier (time is money and all that), I considered it a sort moral obligation to travel everywhere at about double the speed limit, or more, and thought I was immortal. I was a right dick!

My speeding ban had a certain inevitability to it, but, with hindsight, it was preferable to the other, alternative inevitability - my untimely death in a flaming, cartwheeling mass of metal and plastic.

When you get banned, all the things you take for granted suddenly become an enormous PITA! The most basic of daily activities suddenly become a logistical nightmare. Some are just plain impossible.Its especially annoying when you've a GSX-R750 and a KTM250 parked in the garage that you walk past on your way to the bus stop. In the rain. For a bus that doesn't turn up. Again.

And its not just a PITA for her, obviously

You'll now be earning your living, as well as the day job, as a taxi driver. Unpaid.

Unless you're an absolute idiot, you only get banned the once. Nowadays I have a clean licence, and don't drive like a bell end. Well.... not entirely true, but there's a time and a place


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:45 am
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each one has been 1 or 2mph above the allowed limits

If those are her words, that may be the problem / solution. "Allowed" limits implies the speed limit plus the margin; she should treat the speed limit as the limit, and forget there's any allowance. From what you say, she's not reckless, but she's got it into her head that it's OK to drive at 10%+2, and then been caught out. Point out that the margin allows for error in the speedo, but hers might be under-reading (they're not legally supposed to under-read but maybe she doesn't know that) and tell her to keep the speedo UNDER the limit - if you're in the car with her, make it a challenge!


 
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Posted : 03/05/2018 9:48 am
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Just a quick thought, does anyone on here adjust their driving and speed depending on the road and time of day? I know I do. And yes sometimes that will involve speeding but it will also involve going below the limit (target).


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 9:53 am
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Just a quick thought, does anyone on here adjust their driving and speed depending on the road and time of day? I know I do. And yes sometimes that will involve speeding but it will also involve going below the limit

You mean speeding because that's the speed of everyone else on the road? Not particularly, and certainly not in built up areas. In fact I usually make a point of sticking to or going under the speed limit in built up areas, near schools etc and sod the drivers who are getting bothered behind me.


 
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It's not ok to drive at 10% + 2 mph. I just got a ticket for driving 46 in a 40 (temporary restriction on a motorway, mea culpa etc.etc.) First points this century 🙁


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:03 am
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Wrightyson, most experienced drivers do to an extent.

i usually go at around the speed limit. Maybe slightly more late at night when there’s virtually no traffic, but when it’s busy, or wet, or I’m tired, i just slot in behind a truck and use their speed limiter as a form of cruise control. (My car doesn’t have cruise control)

inexperienced drivers (or experienced ****wits) can’t recognise that you can go too fast without speeding, hence why they are more likely to have an accident due to excess speed.

Edit: not in town, that IS stupid


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:03 am
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It's a limit, not a target.


 
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I'm glad you cleared that up for me and you win today's prize for being the first one to bite as I knew someone would.

Built up areas are always a no no for speeding for me in fact they would be the areas of lesser speed, especially during school/commute time.

But areas speeding will include a road I've travelled many many times, they've recently reduced it to a 50 for no apparent reason, not an accident black spot etc, it's just a countryside not all that busy road between towns. And yes it's a fun to drive road.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:11 am
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Mrs RNP is an adult and responsible for her own actions - you don’t need to do anything. If she eventually loses her licence, that’s her problem.

It’s her that needs to be asking these questions.

Rachel


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:17 am
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I've managed to stack up three speed awareness courses and one set of points in a 30 year driving career.  Not good.  My wife has only managed one course and one set of points, so better.   After my last course, I worked out how I would get to work without a licence, how I would be able to get to my various leisure activities and social events and how much extra it would cost.  There would have been a significant lifestyle change.  I now try to travel at no more than the speed limit.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:24 am
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nealglover: 60,000 miles a year

is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day – rather you than me.

I've had jobs where I did more miles than that. It’s not uncommon.

Ive changed jobs totally recently though, and now drive Zero miles/week for work.

And I do miss it.


 
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I think the OP is on a hiding to nothing.

If his wife refuses to slow down and won't accept that her need to get somewhere doesn't override the speed limit, I fail to see how she will modify her driving behaviour accordingly.

Too many people seem to pick and choose which rules of the road apply to them depending on their own personal needs.

Out of interest, on the 3 occasions she's been caught speeding, what was she done for? i.e. minor 33 in a 30, or major 45 in a 30?


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 10:28 am
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 not having the wherewithal to spot the mobile cameras

They will have spotted you long before you spot them. Their main job is using that massive zoom lense to catch speeding drivers, while you are busy doing all the other brain-using activities that driving invloves.

In regards the OP and a couple of other comments, if there was an app or sat-nav that set off some stupidly irritating noise when over the limit then that would be enough to prevent me from considering it. A bit like an electric fence, the cows soon learn (not that I'm calling Mrs RNP a cow).
Even better if it was a standalone unit that you could install in a hidden location so she can't switch it off. If it was just a phone app then I imagine the final 3 points would come from being caught using a handheld device instead!


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 11:25 am
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My BMW has the speed limit warning built in - I assume via the on board sat nav (although you can mute it) - there's literally buttons on the steering wheel to manage it and a tone+ a message next to the speedo saying you're over the limit for that section of road.


 
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Hopefully she will be banned from driving soon.


 
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But areas speeding will include a road I’ve travelled many many times, they’ve recently reduced it to a 50 for no apparent reason, not an accident black spot etc, it’s just a countryside not all that busy road between towns. And yes it’s a fun to drive road.

for "no reason".  hmm.  have you checked crashmap to see if there have been any collisions?  Does it go past peoples houses?

How do you know there isn't someone on a bike around the next corner?  London at night has lots of people speeding 'because there aren't many people around".  Its scary if you're one of the few that are.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 11:47 am
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The reason that road will have got to 50mph is as a result of risk assessments following accidents


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 11:55 am
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Dynamic GPS based speed limiter?

https://www.speedlimiter.net/dynamic-speed-limiter.html


 
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^^^ the problem with that is, the GPS speed limits are often wrong, plus it won't take into account temporary limits. I know this cos the speed limit flashes up on my Tom Tom & also on my built in sat nav - it's not particularly unusual for them to disagree about a stretch of road (plus there are a couple of bits locally where they're both wrong!)

The way the Ford speed limit detection system works (and I assume also the BMW one that someone mentioned earlier) is by using cameras to read the actual signs by the side of the road.


 
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The way the Ford speed limit detection system works (and I assume also the BMW one that someone mentioned earlier) is by using cameras to read the actual signs by the side of the road.

Quite a lot do now.  I wonder if there is a portable device that does it now as well given that lots have cameras these days


 
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I’m not actually sure tha any road is fun to drive.

there are too many variables, there could be a cyclist round the next corner, or a cow, or a citroen saxo on its roof, or diesel/cowshit/mud on the road.

it’s quite easy to be going too fast but still be well within the speed limit.

i don’t agree 100% with the fixation on exact speed though, if exceeding the speed limit Is automatically dangerous, then *some* people will, by default, think that they are completely safe as long as they are at, or just under the limit.

concentrating on driving standards in general would be better imo.


 
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Which part of the UK does she drive in? We need to warn everyone else !

You know when you drive past a roundabout and somebody has put a bed sheet there with "Fat Dave is 50" or "Shaz is 30" painted on it, why don't you do the same?  e.g. "FFS slow down Mrs RNP", or "Just a few more days until you're banned you complete half-wit"


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 12:03 pm
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It’s a limit, not a target.

Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test.


 
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martymac - I do know roads where the sightlines are good and I know them well so exceeding the speed limit would not increase the risk of crashing - just the consequences if you do

I also know roads where driving as fast as you possibly can even on a powerful motorbike doesn't get you anywhere near the speed limit


 
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All of STW right now

excellent driver


 
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What a great thread.

Personally I recommend the Saudi Solution. Women, know your limits. Second best is the "take her car and have it tampered with" approach. Dob her in to the filth is a particularly good one.

The OP's bird sounds like a pretty good driver speed-wise, if not too bright. She doesn't speed in built up areas and she only just exceeds the 10%+ amount. Those vans tend to be parked up in places where the road opens up after a frustrating stretch and people let go. I've been caught a couple of times. These days I slow down in the usual spots because I know it's a "world of pain"* (copyright STW) if you get caught.

* aka a nuisance.


 
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What a great thread.

Personally I recommend the Saudi Solution. Women, know your limits.

We never should have given them the vote. 😆


 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09zgt51

Sit down with her and work your way though these. Pretty sobering stuff.


 
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I’m not actually sure that any road is fun to drive.

I can assure you that you're absolutely wrong!

After Monday Nights night ride, a couple of us (Golf GTi, Subaru Impreza) came back down one of our favourite twisty B roads about midnight, with a flagrant disregard for the speed limit, and had a right old laugh!

Like I said earlier, there's a time and a place. This was both.

No children or animals were harmed during this totally irresponsible, but bloody good fun behaviour! 😀


 
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Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test.

Quite possibly, though I am quoting/rephrasing the Highway Code which I assume still applies to those taking part in their driving test. (Rule 146 if you wish to look it up)


 
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Since 2008 23 crashes, 5 severe 18 minor no deaths, so i'd consider that hardly deadly. Also looking at where the accidents occurred the 50mph limit wouldn't have made a great deal of difference. Cool website though, shall now spend lunch perusing roads.


 
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Binners has just reignited the thread with that very post.

I had two imprezas in the past over the space of 8 years. Made a lot of progress, never got a single point or fine and always kept them shiny side up.

Make of that what you will.


 
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Not having a dig at all, we all make mistakes, I’m just intrigued – this should be a pretty easy spot?    Not knowing the difference is one thing, but knowing and not recognizing?  I don’t understand!

Yup ... it was dual my side, single the other way, with no dividing barrier ...

With the benefit of hindsight etc


 
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It’s a limit, not a target.

Congratulations! You have just failedyour driving test.

Try travelling at 60 on a winding country NSL road on your test. See what happens. I travelled at 40 / 45 on this sort of road when it was raining and passed. One of my missus pupils did the 60 thing and failed.


 
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I do know roads where the sightlines are good and I know them well so exceeding the speed limit would not increase the risk of crashing – just the consequences if you do

That comment kinda contradicts itself


 
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“flagrant disregard”

it was 31 in a 30 wasn’t it, you lunatic!!


 
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Cool website though,

Sorry, I'm lost, what website???

To the OP, get a dodgy lawyer lined up.  My sisiter-in-law was on 9 points, got done for speeding but the lawyer did the sob story stuff and she got away with a 1 month ban (2 week holiday, 2 weeks working from home) and then her points were reset to 0.  Result!!


 
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Wait what? They reset their points to zero?? Like even the ones they received recently, before they expired through age???

Rachel


 
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I've been driving like an undertaker since going on to 6 points. 9 points would put most same people into serious panic mode.

Cars nowadays really make speed comfortable and easy.  When I first passed my test I drove my mums Fiesta and could could actually feel the speed.  The car was straining, there was lots of wind noise, it wasn't particularly comfortable. My car now hardly feels like it is trying at 90mph (hence me no being on 6 points).  Not blaming the cars, just an observation.


 
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Yes - vehicles do speed far far more easily than they did. My motorbike at the redline in 2nd (second) gear is doing 100mph

Rachel


 
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They reset their points to zero??

Yes, bizarre isn't it............


 
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yes but you still have to declare it on insurance and expect a 100% loading


 
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Just as an aside, and I can't see it mentioned in the thread so apologies if it has already been covered, but i take it you are aware that the fines for speeding and the like were overhauled last year and are now based upon a weekly wage calculation with offences now also being grouped into bands with fines and points as a calculation of these.

interesting reading and calculator here


 
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Want to go fast?

Do it on a track....

Otherwise 1st rule of life: Don’t be a dick.


 
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Just as an aside, and I can’t see it mentioned in the thread so apologies if it has already been covered, but i take it you are aware that the fines for speeding and the like were overhauled last year and are now based upon a weekly wage calculation with offences now also being grouped into bands with fines and points as a calculation of these.

this of course only applies if it's over the FPN speed. None of these were apparently.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 2:22 pm
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Mr lebowski, exactly.

it does somewhat depend on your definition of ‘fast’ though.

ie: i do 110,000 miles a year in a bus fitted with a 62mph speed limiter, so, to me, 70mph actually feels quite fast.

this is the problem, people who habitually speed get used to it, so 70 might not seem that fast to them.

if i go onto a motorway in my own car, and just head off, whilst listening to the radio/cd and pay no attention at all to my speed then i will be doing 62/63 mph, exactly what the bus does. If I’m following someone who does 70, it actually makes me feel uncomfortable as I’m not used to it.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 2:31 pm
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Try travelling at 60 on a winding country NSL road on your test. See what happens.

Oddly, when a road where I used to live was dropped from NSL to 40, one of the most vociferous opponents was the local driving test centre as it was the bit of NSL nearby and featured in most of their routes.


 
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Not sure what the OP is thinking about the range of responses being offered..

But this:

We all speed. Any driver who says they don’t is a liar.

Is as ignorant a comment as I’ve seen outside a politics thread.

Well done whoever you are, I’ll keep note of that so I can steer clear of your belligerent viewpoints.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 2:41 pm
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Is as ignorant a comment as I’ve seen outside a politics thread.

I don't think so (not that I frequent politics threads) - you only have to drive around to see hardly anyone drives under the limits. He's not calling you liars, just speaking from experience, IMO.


 
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"

It’s a limit, not a target.

Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test."

as i said last time you came up with this shit . no he hasnt - if its not safe to do the limit then its not a target. you just have to be showing to make reasonable progress and not impede the progress of others without good reason.

case in point - do the limit past a horse on an NSL road and see how you fare in your driving test.


 
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I don't think the disregard of speed limits is because she thinks she is a good driver.

The telling phrase is

"She’s a going at a million miles an hour type person and always busy with loads on the go which translates to her driving as well."

My partner is the same, she is constantly late, sets unreasonable targets for everything and almost always stressed.

This translates into her speeding, being continually run down and catching colds, and other shit.

I've been at her for years  and can see some change, but its hard work !

As far as driving fast cos you think you are a good driver. Well I've been there done that, eventually went  circuit racing, cars and motor bikes then stage  rallying.

From experience, driving fast on the road proves nothing but what a dangerous idiot you are.

TRy the real thing and you will rapidly find out you are not the next Senna,Prost, Mc Rae.

You cannot commit on open roads, or take the right lines and are really not driving proper quick.

All the people I know who race, don't drive dangerously or overly quick on open roads.


 
Posted : 03/05/2018 3:00 pm
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People don't exceed the speed limit?

Come off it?!

How many people could sit on a lie detector, with the threat of being snogged by Anne Widdecombe if they told a porky, and make the following statement

"I have never been more that 70mph on a motorway, and I have never exceeded 30 mph in a 30 zone"

I reckon you'd be looking at 0.000001% of the population.

And we all know who they are. Because we've all sworn at them. They're the ****ing old giffers in a Nissan Micra, face pressed half an inch off the windscreen, doing 45mph in the middle lane of the M62


 
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Love these recurring threads on STW...those predicting death and destruction if you go over the speed limit are overreacting...do fatalities occur?...of course, are they common?...nope.

Given the number of vehicles on the road in the UK fatalities are thankfully rare, I work in the ambulance control room currently and it's a big deal to have a fatality call come in because it's not a daily occurrence.

Most people (and certainly most modern cars) can do 70mph+ on 50 limit roads and 100mph comfortably on motorways...people do it every day and don't spontaneously burst into flames.

Plenty of slow drivers are lethal, the old boy who drives everywhere at 40mph but cuts people up, pulls out in front of traffic, doesn't stop for pedestrians etc...never had an accident but caused hundreds!

In my experience the most common cause of accidents tends to be not looking/seeing...i believe the official stats back  this up too...of course speed compounds the issue once the accident has happened but rarely is it the actual cause.

People are also conveniently ignoring the attraction in that it's fun...like the illicit nature of drug taking, it's illegality is part of the lure...track driving, local level racing etc is all good fun but it's not cheap, usually requires a dedicated vehicle and a weekend away partaking in said activity...or you can put your foot down for 10mins on the lovely winding road during your commute to work...get to work invigorated and with a grin on your face.

Only thing I'd say about your wife is her speeding seems linked to a wider manic behavior pattern which would concern me..if she just enjoyed a blast once a week early in the morning I'd understand (we've all been there) but she needs to slow her entire life down or she'll have a stroke, heart attack etc before she knows it.

She'll be fine anyway if she gets caught again, a mother in court pleading hardship and an inability to ferry the kids around and do motherly things is never in a million years going to get banned...despite the progress society has made with equality women still get treated with kid gloves by the judiciary.


 
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My sister is the same as you describe, her life runs at 100mph and is always frantic, always late as she is trying to do so many things. Se has always exceeded the limit, been caught etc but it has not changed her behaviour. Even when she careered in to a tractor as she was speeding and not concentrating.

Deviant, like you say the accidents are caused by people not concentrating, looking etc. but it makes these things much harder to respond to if you are speeding in the first place. It makes it even more difficult to respond, if you are speeding and not concentrating.


 
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