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"You can?
And I owe you £24,500 then? Oh."
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I thought parking firms could only charge reasonable costs for stuff like that? Ie they could only claim the £40 a month, plus reasonable costs? Or is it different in Scotland?
Sounds like she wasn't in an allocated, permit controlled bay.
Serves her right.
Ouch!
So did she, by the sound of it 🙂I thought parking firms could only charge reasonable costs for stuff like that?
So did she, by the sound of it
Must have gotten her advice from someone on the internet
You'd think that rather than carry on parking somewhere you'd just receied a penalty notice for, that you'd find somewhere else to park while you fought the perceived injustice.
Distinct lack of a solicitors presence being mentioned
Popular place for students to park hence the heavy handedness I'd bet.
We used to park in tescos about 5 mins along the road when i went to uni there.
Shit that's a lot of money!
Part of you has to admire the faith she has in her own opinion. I'd love to play her at poker, she'd be all in on every round lol.
Maybe the company will let her cut some kind of a deal so that she won't have to pay the full amount. Unless she is stinking rich of course, in which case she should have to pay double, obvs
(fyi: tongue in cheek for that last bit)
That wouldn't happen up here in Scotland 😆
She admits she parked without a permit, on the property that the pursuers were contracted to protect.
Protect? Hmmm... Protection racket??
geetee1972 - MemberYou'd think that rather than carry on parking somewhere you'd just receied a penalty notice for, that you'd find somewhere else to park while you fought the perceived injustice.
She didn't think there was a fight to be had
Wouldn't joke in Dundee rob Hilton.
Pops was advised to remove his privately owned JCB from the premises by some folk in mercs one Thursday night as the sites main contractor hadn't payed his protection money.
The site burnt down that night
Parking eye have cancelled all my tickets for parking on FCS land on appeal.
From another article prior to this going to court:
"At no time has Ms Mackie made contact with us to query, appeal or challenge the parking charge notices, despite reminder notices being issued. It is for Ms Mackie to explain why she chose to ignore them."In the absence of any contact from Ms Mackie, coupled with the fact that she still continues to contravene the terms and conditions of parking at this site, we have had no alternative but to initiate court action."
Difficult to feel any sympathy.
Just reading the summary. Very interesting case.
I managed to rack up £17k+ in parking tickets from Central Ticketing a few years ago in similar-ish circumstances. However in my situation the land I was parking on was actually owned by me and my argument was the parking company were acting without my authority.
Never made it to court though.
How many tickets did she actually receive. I'm quite partial to a bit of parking company villifying but she sounds like a class A pillock so far.
I can see why she'd not want to fork out £480 a year for a permit admittedly.
[quote=Rob Hilton ]She admits she parked without a permit, on the property that the pursuers were contracted to protect.
Protect? Hmmm... Protection racket??
Basically that.
Property factor introduces PPC to development.
PPC issues parking tickets
Property factor gets some kind of kickback
She didn't think there was a fight to be had
Key word in that sentence being 'think'.
Wouldn't joke in Dundee rob Hilton.Pops was advised to remove his privately owned JCB from the premises by some folk in mercs one Thursday night as the sites main contractor hadn't payed his protection money.
The site burnt down that night
😯
Wasn't joking - I just generally see the parking firms as shysters. Such as the ones who are trying to extort money from me ATM for parking on the grounds of the flats I live in. The owners of said parking company own the debt collection agency it uses and, co-incidentally, the solicitors' firm they use.
[quote=geetee1972 ]She didn't think there was a fight to be had
Key word in that sentence being 'think'.
Yeah she's basically given no arguments other than "you can't do this to me"
[quote=Rob Hilton ]The owners of said parking company own the debt collection agency it uses and, co-incidentally, the solicitors' firm they use.
The "debt collectors" and "solicitors" tend to be the next couple of desks in whichever portakabin the parking company operates from.
The "debt collectors" and "solicitors" tend to be the next couple of desks in whichever portakabin the parking company operates from.
This may go some way to explaining why their letters are exactly the same as each others' bar the letterhead. 
If she has no money and no possessions apart from a car which is probably in her stepfather's name they can enforce all they want
As far as not engaging with them, a lot of advice (not here) I see is "ignore them" (e.g. on the A9 Road Watch forum) - hence maybe they think it's best to act as if nothing is happening.
Bristol airport has the worst parking fees I've seen. They charge you £5 for 30 mins in the drop-off/short stay zone.
its extortionate the amount you pay to park.
Actually there are a few rocket surgeons on here still of that opinion, including this little gem offered on a recent-ish thread: 😆As far as not engaging with them, a lot of advice (not here) I see is "ignore them"
If it happened in Scotland you can ignore
As far as not engaging with them, a lot of advice (not here) I see is "ignore them"
The trouble with internet advice is it has no expiry date. Maybe its good advice, maybe it was good advice once,maybe its good advice [i]in a certain context[/i] maybe it was never good advice. If people think they know about some clever loophole they'll have no hesitation in telling everyone about it whenever the topic is raised and they probably won't realise they've been trotting out the same line for a decade or so - long after the loophole has closed or Parking Company/ Speed Cameras/Tax Man has change its MO.
If you are literally just dropping off then its a £1 for 10 minutes, which while pretty steep per minute isn't a huge amount of money. If you do want to take 30 mins then go to the short stay car park rather than the drop off one as it is cheaper. Parking there is a bit pricey but it is way better than most other international airports as you can walk to the terminal even from the long stay car park. Not having to get on a bus is worth something, especially when coming home. You can be on the road in under 20 mins from landing.Bristol airport has the worst parking fees I've seen. They charge you £5 for 30 mins in the drop-off/short stay zone.
hmm, [i]the way that's reported[/i] it sounds like "well FiL has paid for the garage, no-one else can park on the access to the garage so with FiL's agreement I'll park there" In which case I can see her working out but 1. the law doesn't work like that and 2. if it did it would lead to people trying all sorts of ill thought out tricks.She had been living at a flat with her stepfather, who was a tenant and had a garage at the property.Sheriff Way said Ms Mackie had parked outside the garage and would not accept the offer of a parking permit for a space nearby for £40 per month.
Parking firms still seem to be shysters, by and large, but they may have a point here.
BoardinBob - Member
Just reading the summary. Very interesting case.I managed to rack up £17k+ in parking tickets from Central Ticketing a few years ago in similar-ish circumstances. However in my situation the land I was parking on was actually owned by me and my argument was the parking company were acting without my authority.
Never made it to court though.
Do tell more!
I think the reference to ignoring it in Scotland is to do with not telling them who the driver was, that way, they don't know who to take to court. I think. The law did change in this a while ack, but it may be that nobody's ever pursued it up here yet hence no precedent.
schadenfreude is such an excellent german word 🙂
I love how she was taken to court last year for this charged with 18.5k's worth of tickets and then has racked up another 6k's worth of tickets and fines since....
[quote=plyphon ]BoardinBob - Member
Just reading the summary. Very interesting case.
I managed to rack up £17k+ in parking tickets from Central Ticketing a few years ago in similar-ish circumstances. However in my situation the land I was parking on was actually owned by me and my argument was the parking company were acting without my authority.
Never made it to court though.
Do tell more!
I live in a street with two new-ish build blocks of flats
Every flat has either a parking space or a garage
I actually own the land my space is on. Various burdens placed upon it (can't sell it, build on it etc) but basically I'm free to park there or allow whoever I want to park there
Scumbag property factors suddenly decide to introduce a PPC to the street. No need at all.
I refuse to display a permit. Absolutely no reason to display a permit to park on my own land.
It's a 100% scam between the factors and the PPC. At one point they were actually ticketing people parking on the public road, not just the private land. Some residents were even paying parking tickets they got for parking on their own land
Factors refuse to do anything as clearly they're getting some kickback.
I had two bin bags full of tickets I got from Central Ticketing. Never paid them a penny, never spoke to them, never acknowledged anything they sent me. Kept a tally of the value and it was way over £17k although they various begging letters they sent would go up and down in value. One week it was "pay us £150" the next week was "We've reduced it to £100" etc
Central Ticketing went bust a few years ago much to my delight.
The property factors have been informed in writing many times that I will not be displaying any kind of permit for parking on my own land.
Whatever PPC they employ nowadays continues to waste money giving me tickets and writing me letters.
£25k - what a muppet.
makes you wonder if she isn't a shill surely the stupidity is brexit level epic
create your own case law and all that ...
Absolutely no reason to display a permit to park on my own land.
You've probably got a cause there for a) them policing land they have no jurisdiction over, and b) harassment.
Why are you a special case, do you own a flat in the middle of a block of rentals or something?
You've probably got a cause there for a) them policing land they have no jurisdiction over, and b) harassment
When they were ticketing cars on the public road I complained to the police.
Eventually an officer called me back and after me fully explaining the situation he said it "was a civil matter".
At which point I asked him
"Are you therefore telling me I can setup a parking company, start ticketing cars on the public road and that's a civil matter"
The answer I got was "...yes"
Absolutely clueless.
No reason for me being special. I do own but even if I was renting I would still be legally entitled to "quiet enjoyment" of the land/ parking space.
I'm quite capable of controlling who parks in my space. No one ever does apart from me, and there's a bollard at the front of it so I can put that up if I was really bothered about restricting access. Every space has a bollard.
It's nothing but a total scam between the property factor and the parking company.
Why are you a special case, do you own a flat in the middle of a block of rentals or something?
Parking Companies regularly ticket people parking in their own spaces. Allegedly their parking contracts can't over-ride a tenants right to park. Depending on the terms of the lease etc. They have lost many cases.
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/residential-parking.html
Agreed with bob, they are criminals
There was a carpark along from mine that everyone use to park in, it wasn't monitored, and there were no signs. One day the parking scum turned up and put up a sign stating it was under their jurisdiction, then ticked all the cars already parked there.