[Closed] Guns again - Oscar Pistorius

oh dear,

Terrible news if true. They are all over it on BBC news.

Not good but then in SA, you kind of need one especially if you live on a farm. Lots of farmers hacked to death even elderly ones in simple robberies. Of course there is more to the issue however I don't think the guns in this case are the main problem.

Terrible thing to live with, cant even begin to imagine it.

Nor do I want to.

Feel for the guy, that would mess me up

People seem to find it suspicious that he had the gun close to hand. Everywhere I know where people own guns for self/home defence they're always to hand, otherwise there's little point. Tragic incident.

Not sure how you'd mistake your girlfriend for a burglar mind.

Not sure how you'd mistake your girlfriend for a burglar mind.

The rather rash assumption on the news suggests she was trying to surprise him for valentines day.

That (if true) coupled with SA's burglary rates.

Shoot first ask who it is later?
Tragic and odd.

Shoot first ask who it is later?
Tragic and odd.

It is. Agreed. I have a mate from SA and the stories he tells are blood chilling. He's been shot twice. He doesn't want to go back again.

Depends really as there's no info. If she didn't live with him and was sneaking in early morning to surprise him (i.e. he was not expecting her), it might be an easy mistake to make.

This is shocking. I feel as if I know him having watched him competing for years.

Just seen that, pretty grim.....

Man in bed, no legs, can't run, can't hide, only one viable way to defend himself- I'm damned sure the gun wouldn't be in the drawers on the other side of the room if it was me.

Tragic.

Depends really as there's no info. If she didn't live with him and was sneaking in early morning to surprise him (i.e. he was not expecting her), it might be an easy mistake to make.

From what I heard he lives in a secure residential compound, fenced, armed patrols. And she was sneaking in.

Prepared to be corrected though.

I have a Saffer mate, he was explaining traffic light protocol in even supposed safe towns, slow down,don't stop.

My Mrs. recounts a story from her youth in SA where she had returned home from a night out when she was not expected home. She was met in the kitchen by her dad pointing a gun at her. Fortunately she had turned the lights on. The other stories she tells do not incline me to even visit the place, frankly.

[i]They are all over it on BBC news[/i]

Except they don't actually [b]know[/b] anything, other than a 26 year old man has been arrested at Oscar Pistorius' house, where a woman has been found shot dead and a gun recovered.

That's not stopping any of the irritating speculation that is the highlight of rolling news however...

Dont want to spread rumour but much more to this story than meets the eye.
http://www.wonted.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3414:tshiamo&catid=925:tune-news
plenty of details on the interweb if anyone is interested

Ive found myself in a strange kitchen in my boxers at the end of a gun explaining to the father of a lady friend why a strange man was in his house in his boxers raiding the fridge at 3am. To be fair he took it quite well considering

[i]Dont want to spread rumour [/i]

Yet you still have... Classy.

much more to this story than meets the eye, plenty of details on the interweb if anyone is interested

I'm at a loss as to how a story about Pistorius and an 18 year old (ex?)girlfriend have anything to do with the 30 year old (current girlfriend?) that was shot?

care to explain...

Not really spreading rumour am I - merely showing those that are interested that this story has some history to it. Had I provided my malicious opinion of what I think actually happened (4 shots included two to the head!?!!?!?!?) - then you might well have had a point.

"Buzzard - Member
Dont want to spread rumours"

to be fair thats a pretty cheap shot.

Radio reporting one shot to arm one to head - where did the 2 head shots and the other 2 shots come from?

Its surely the inevitable consequence of living in a completely divided society where the well off live behind walled estates with private security, and the dirt poor gaze in enviously. Its a tragic and sad story in so many respects

[i]Not really spreading rumour am I [/i]

By linking to a story that may or may not be related, but implying that it is? No, of course you're not

[i]Had I provided my malicious opinion of what I think actually happened (4 shots included two to the head!?!!?!?!?)[/i]

There you go again, not spreading rumour

[i]then you might well have had a point.[/i]

no 'might' about it.

PS - whatever happened this is a terrible story and a mother/father have lost their daughter in horrendous circumstances.

but since I was asked to explain. apparently the 18yr old and the 30yr old didnt know about each other. Cue massive public rows, crashed cars, broken house windows, alleged assaults etc etc. But as I said this may be nothing to do with that and merely an accident. Until the investigation is complete we just won't know - an even then we may not know.

OK - fair point. I perhaps wrongly have opened a can of worms and perhaps to some degree accept the ire with which that was treated. I will get my coat and retire from this one until more is known.

My knowledge or perhaps lack thereof on this topic is hearsay at best from one of his neighbours.

I can see which way this is headed. I'm out.

He hasn't got a leg to stand on.

IHN - Member
I can see which way this is headed. I'm out.

And Buzz Killington exits stage left.

*stifles giggle*

EDIT - DD, eh? That's a bit harsh.

One of my closest mates as a kid came over from SA when he was 7, basically they feared for their lives as his Dad had a good job which meant they were well off.

It must be one of the few places on Earth where on police advice you are told not to stop if you run someone over but to carry on and report it once you are well away from the scene of the accident. Basically if you DID stop and more specifically were white, you would have been hacked to a dog-meat like state within seconds.

And Nelson's hailed as a hero for creating this legacy...Awesome work.

Very sad if reports are accurate. Hopefully not, but doesn't sound good.

[i]It must be one of the few places on Earth where on police advice you are told not to stop if you run someone over but to carry on and report it once you are well away from the scene of the accident. Basically if you DID stop and more specifically were white, you would have been hacked to a dog-meat like state within seconds.[/i]

That has a whiff of urban myth about it.

Having been to SA, and knowing others who live in SA, and others who've moved from SA, the country has problems, absolutely, but a lot of the 'going to hell in a handcart' stories come from bitter whites who are having a hard time adjusting to the fact that they can no longer boss around the black majority purely because of the colours of their respective skins.

IME, and as a very broad generalisation, the 'blacks' were friendly and welcoming, the 'whites' were diffident and rude. It's an odd country, and I'm not sure I liked it

We have an office in J'burg. Every single member of staff and most customers I've talked to have been held up, shot at, robbed at gun point in their home or car jacked. One of our female sales people came home to find her husband tied up and a gang of robbers holding a gun to her 6 year olds head - the maid had let the robbers in as they'd threatened to kill her if she didn't.

My knowledge or perhaps lack thereof on this topic is hearsay at best

So, no worse than the BBC "coverage"

That's the problem with 24hr news channels - most of the reporting becomes speculation and opinion ...

Woman on R4 was talking about a bloke who saw someone in his car, fired at them and killed them only to find his daughter had gone back to the car as she'd left something in there.

I can't imagine living with that level of fear/paranoia and 'shoot first' attitude. Makes a lot of American gun advocates seem quite level headed.

And Nelson's hailed as a hero for creating this legacy...Awesome work.

To be fair to him, I think the seeds of the problem might have been sown slightly earlier than him taking over. You're not a history student I take it?

and as a very broad generalisation

I thought you were out? ❓

Sweeping generalisations and news speculations? This thread is going to hell in a handcart.

Guns and alcohol don't mix - simple as that really, isn't it?

Makes a lot of American gun advocates seem quite level headed.

Seems slightly different to me.

From the stories in this thread, and speaking to a friend from south africa, there appears to actually be a [i]need[/i] to own a gun in SA, whereas Americanists seem to think they should have them just because they can.

everybody becomes a sherlock holmes as soon as 'theers bin a mURda' 😉

everybody becomes a sherlock holmes as soon as 'theers bin a mURda'

Someone's mixing up his tv detectives.

whereas Americanists seem to think they should have them just because they can.

SOME feel that way. I have friends who live miles from the nearest neighbours on ranches and frequently (5-6 times a year) have armed robbers come onto their property to steal livestock or machinery. The only way to avoid losing their property or maybe their life is to go outside and fire a few shots into the air. Of course, they could have a blank firing gun but that wouldn't save them if the robbers decided to come closer.

Now, the bloke I spoke to in Vegas who was buying a gun "for between the house and the car" (so about 20 feet) didn't need a gun. The existing 9mm pistols he kept in his house and his car seemed to be overkill already.

The poor man, he's not got a leg to stand on!

And Nelson's hailed as a hero for creating this legacy...Awesome work.

I assume you're referring to Nelson Mandela. Not sure why you've chosen to involve him in this.

The poor man, he's not got a leg to stand on!

Is that something you'd say directly to an amputee? Classy.

And what's worse, it was done on page 1. Not sure what the bigger sin was tbh.

And not even original

[i]I thought you were out?

Sweeping generalisations and news speculations? This thread is going to hell in a handcart. [/i]

It's the news speculations I'm out of, I'm well up for the sweeping generalisations. Well, I was, I but I'm probably done now. But you're probably right.

Not sure what the bigger sin was tbh.

And Nelson's hailed as a hero for creating this legacy

The poor man, he's not got a leg to stand on

This place is so ****y sometimes

It's not so much the venue, as the clientele it attracts.

Perhaps she was a Replicant?

Very sad news, whatever the circumstances .
I left South Africa 11 years ago . I did not want to live a life where one needed a gun for self defence. I never bothered to own a 9mm pistol until the day my son was born.
One makes these decisions based on the fact that you could save your or your family's lives, but on the other hand you might take another persons life in the process.
A year after my son was born we moved here.
I still miss and love South Africa, but I love living in England now. A good friend of mine ( who is also a STWer ) lost his sister to robbers shooting her at point blank range. My brother in law and his wife have been car jacked several times. He has been held up at the factory that he owns many times ( Fridays is pay day in cash to workers) .
Owning a gun in SA - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

PS Nelson Mandela is a legend, wonderful human being.

Police News conference on Sky News, previous domestic incidents at the home and neighbours reporting shouting and screaming earlier in the evening.

Your first thought being "tv detective" when you hear "Sherlock Holmes"

Aye you're probably right there. I was going for short and punchy in my defence. 🙂

@IHN, apologies. Only teasing. (Brizzle Defence)

BBC News - he's been charged with murder - they don't believe the intruder thing..... 😐

Oh dear - a bad story just got worse. End of two lives at once by the sounds of things...

Eek 🙁

Roses are red violets are [s]blue[/s] glorious don't try to sneak up on Oscar Pistorius

OJ Simpson II anyone?

Roses are red
A helium balloon rises
Oscar Pistorious
Doesn't like surprises!

OJ Simpson II anyone?

If the false leg don't fit, you got to acquit

Bravo Ben bravo

Roses are red.
He's the bladerunner.
The model is dead.
At the hands of a gunner.

Roses are red
Chillies are hot
Surpriiiii
BOOMHEADSHOT!!

roses are red
violets are blue
who in my house
i'm gonna kill you

Hmmm at the risk of 'handwringing' - this thread has gone in a somewhat tasteless direction. 😐

Sorry grum. Teachers always said I was easily led.
I'm on a rhyming spree! Good for me!

Ahem..

Wow, even by STW standards this thread is low

I did get a warning early on for a poor taste joke that was removed, they are watching.

Thread closure/bans imminent.

Roses are red
Violets are glorious

dont try and creep up on Oscar Pistorius

ok been done already... 😐

she was trying to surprise him for valentines day

and she'd bought him a pair of socks?

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Hmmmm

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Too much of this thread is in very poor taste.

muppetWrangler - Member
Too much of this thread is In very poor taste.

This. Its a shame as Oscar is a high profile athlete that has done a lot for sport, particularly for representation sports with disability. To many he's a hard working hero of our era who has overcome much to be the best in the world at what he does..

Despite the fact he has poor form for temper tantrums, nothings been proven yet, and jokes about the circumstances and his disability are very unwelcome when we should be thinking of the effect on him and his girlfriends families with this very tragic loss, accidental or otherwise.