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Totally agree.
Maybe the memorial, whatever it ends up being, should include a shame list all the companies and their management that were responsible for the mess, along with the numerous politicians that repeatedly sat with their fingers up their own asres after repeated warnings about this, and from fires elsewhere including Lathkill.
Totally agree.
Maybe the memorial, whatever it ends up being, should include a shame list all the companies and their management that were responsible for the mess, along with the numerous politicians that repeatedly sat with their fingers up their own asres after repeated warnings about this, and from fires elsewhere including Lathkill.
Totally agree.
Maybe the memorial, whatever it ends up being, should include a shame list all the companies and their management that were responsible for the mess, along with the numerous politicians that repeatedly sat with their fingers up their own asres after repeated warnings about this, and from fires elsewhere including Lathkill.
I'm not sure what I, or dare I say what most of us think should happen to the building is relevant. What is, is what surviving ex residents and the families of those who didn't survive think should happen to it.
What is, is what surviving ex residents and the families of those who didn't survive think should happen to it.
Yet views amongst survivors and local residents generally appear to be mixed. So unfortunately that doesn’t get us very far.
Sad thing is whilst family's of victims want it to remain until justice is served, which is completely understandable, majority of local residents want it to come down due to the risks of it collapsing. A second disaster would be horrific. A painful but correct decision IMO which will help everyone move on. Hopefully the proposed park will reflect the dignity due to the victims.
And people really need to be brought to account and serve jail time for this. This is the much bigger story here.
Sad thing is whilst family's of victims want it to remain until justice is served, which is completely understandable, majority of local residents want it to come down due to the risks of it collapsing. A second disaster would be horrific. A painful but correct decision IMO which will help everyone move on. Hopefully the proposed park will reflect the dignity due to the victims.
And people really need to be brought to account and serve jail time for this. This is the much bigger story here.
The building is only upright because the top floors have hundreds of support props and scaffolding holding it up! The entire structure is desperately unsafe, keeping it as a memorial is frankly stupid, because the ongoing costs to prevent it collapsing and causing more deaths and injuries would be astronomical, and completely irresponsible.
Keeping the cleared space as a memorial park is the obvious solution, and respects those lost.
If the prevailing attitude amongst the survivors is leave it standing until justice is served then I support that. But it shouldn’t stand forever.
I completely understand that it's a tragedy. But surely knocking it down and building something new, safe, and modern that's actually useful is so much better than letting it rot as a memorial?
Simply leaving it is clearly not a viable option. But a point was being made yesterday which I hadn’t really appreciated before - it sits on the skyline as a huge highly visible reminder of what happens when commercial interests get priority over human lives. Perhaps rather than simply a ground level memorial there should be a tower like sculpture which captures the issues involved and can be seen clearly from afar.
If the prevailing attitude amongst the survivors is leave it standing until justice is served then I support that. But it shouldn’t stand forever.
Plenty of survivors want it to stay, plenty want it to go to remove the reminder of the horror.
Pragmatically, it is unsafe and needs to come down. A suitable memorial garden of some sort can be in it's place.
I actually think this is a call the government has got right.
Difficult one, I'm torn on this. Obviously it has to come down for purely pragmatic reasons but on the one hand I can see the logic of wanting it to stay up as a reminder that our governance systems don't work, but on the other we seem to be developing and unhealthy obsession with bending over backwards to the emotions and whims of the action groups set up after these tragedies. And I this case they dont all align either.
Lots of emotion and rhetoric fills news papers, it seems to do sod all to really change underlying British culture. As a society we have massive numbers of rules, laws and regulations, most of which are ignored daily with next to no enforcement or consequences for not following them. That the lesson we need to learn from Grenfell, invest in your regulatory services and make those who don't comply pay for the enforcement.
I'm not sure what I, or dare I say what most of us think should happen to the building is relevant. What is, is what surviving ex residents and the families of those who didn't survive think should happen to it.
I don't buy this argument. Hundreds of families could live in a replacement building, many of whom are currently homeless or sharing a single room. Should they continue to live like this so we can leave a folly to a particular industry's lack of human decency in the search for profit? If you're going to do this then you find the CEOs responsible and make them personally responsible for funding 20,000 acro-props to hold it up.
it sits on the skyline as a huge highly visible reminder of what happens when commercial interests get priority over human lives. Perhaps rather than simply a ground level memorial there should be a tower like sculpture which captures the issues involved and can be seen clearly from afar.
Now that is a good idea, maybe illuminated in some way, perhaps with the name ‘Grenfell Tower’ down the sides as a landmark at night. I’m sure that’s something the former residents could get behind.
Thinking about it, four slender towers, set at the corners of the original ground plan of the tower, each lit at night would be an even more forceful reminder.
it sits on the skyline as a huge highly visible reminder of what happens when commercial interests get priority over human lives. Perhaps rather than simply a ground level memorial there should be a tower like sculpture which captures the issues involved and can be seen clearly from afar.
Now that is a good idea, maybe illuminated in some way, perhaps with the name ‘Grenfell Tower’ down the sides as a landmark at night. I’m sure that’s something the former residents could get behind.
Thinking about it, four slender towers, set at the corners of the original ground plan of the tower, each lit at night would be an even more forceful reminder.
Perhaps rather than simply a ground level memorial there should be a tower like sculpture which captures the issues involved and can be seen clearly from afar.
Everyone grieves differently, how many people have been consulted?
A garden would be better for the environment, easier to maintain and would make an appropriate centre-piece for a new development of housing, which is badly needed. It's more likely to provide local employment too, unlike specialist tower construction and maintenance. Like a tower, it's available year-round for private thoughts. The new housing could be designed to be visible as well
I'd move for an communal memorial day, open to all-comers, and in the memorial garden
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To create a memorial there's a shortlist of 5 teams working on it, I'm going to assume victims families will have an input into this process, so it is happening it will just take time. In the meantime the tower itself is a growing safety issue, we don't want a second tragedy it needs to come down, I know it'll be like removing a memory for some but there will be a more appropriate and permanent memorial.
IMO a fitting memorial and replacing what was there with decent quality/exceptionally green public housing (setting an example) would be the right thing to do.