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 kimi
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Does anyone have a good source for well priced green oak? I’m Planning a shed/log store build over the Christmas hols and would like to make the main frame in green oak. Open to alternatives but euro oak seems relatively cheap, rot resistant and will grey over time instead of degrade.

Larch or Douglas fir could work but not sure it works out cheaper.

Approximate cutting list:

17 x 150x150x2400

7 x 150x150x3000

14 x 100x50x1800

1 x 200x25x7200

Quick edit, Hampshire based.

Thanks!


 
Posted : 29/11/2020 5:49 pm
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English Woodlands near midhurst, sussex,
Honeysuckle bottom near Guildford...
If you're Surrey side... Two I've happily used in the past, but there will be many more...

Hampshire's a big place! if you're the Dorset side there's a place in Sherborne but I can't remember the name


 
Posted : 29/11/2020 7:19 pm
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I could recommend someone at the other end of the country but don't know anyone in your neck of the woods. Reading between the lines on other user's posts I thought someone was into that line of things down south though - maybe @timber??

RE your dimensions though, all should be relatively straightforward to source from yards that are importing rough sawn direct from France - getting someone to mill the 7m section might be trickier, it's a fairly uneconomical size to produce at a good quality for many yards even if they do their own sawing (which several don't any more). Seems you're planning something fairly substantial for a shed/log store, but if you can work that 7m in two sub 4m lengths you might well find it more economical, easier to source in a hurry (and easier to transport and handle on site etc).

Choice between D Fir and larch - I much prefer to use D Fir to Larch if working with it personally. Effects of Larch felling due to disease will impact pricing and availability in some areas of the UK. In the south good D Fir might be imported though (again not really my area of expertise) and prices not a huge saving over Oak. On a self build it's much less mass to be shifting around though which might be a factor.

Sounds like a good project though - make sure to stick up some pictures once you're up and running.


 
Posted : 29/11/2020 8:39 pm
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While the area I cover seems to be expanding, it is still Wales based, Powys, Ceredigion and anywhere south of those.
Friend of a friend is a Dorset based horse logger, into a bit of green wood working too and I'm sure will know the right people to source what you are after, will have to Google to find him, but horse logger isn't too common an occupation.

7m lengths are perfectly mill able, our sawyers Woodmizer has a 7m deck and we've done 11m bridge pieces on it. 50mm over 7m does sound a little flexy to handle, particularly in larch from experience, a 25mm thick piece at 3.7m feels a touch flexy and is typical cladding stuff. Not to say the others won't, but not milled much of it in small dimensions.

Must be a good source in New Forest surely? Homegrown or import. From the cutting list I would guess you need roughly a quarter of a lorry to get all of that out plus a good pile of slabwood to start your log pile. Chantlers Timber are the big boys in this. Then you just need someone with a suitably sized bandsaw. Have you got space to mill at yours? need roughly 30'x30' space to set up log stack, 'mizer and output.
Last time I checked, price/ton was much of a muchness with Larch the cheapest by a narrow margin, been a busy year for small scale construction.


 
Posted : 29/11/2020 9:40 pm
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Thanks all, have looked at a few of the bigger importers but the prices are high. Yandles coming in cheapest so far but still a bit high (£1500+). That’s euro oak, can only assume English oak would be more.

The 7m section is the least important and could be done in 2 or even 3 shorter sections, it’s the ridge beam, carrying no weight.

Plenty of space here to set up a big bandsaw! Access not great though, we’re at the end of a narrow track, no artics.

I did consider chestnut poles, which would be hugely cheaper but don’t have the framing skills to deal with the round sections

Will check out the recommendations.


 
Posted : 30/11/2020 9:22 am
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Timber wagons spend a lot of time down narrow lanes and aren't too shy of them, may just need a lorry and drag if really tight. Would limit you to 5m lengths, but as long as they can turn or drive a loop to get out, they're happy.

We've had timber lorries in places that X5 drivers have been panicking and hedge gouging.


 
Posted : 03/12/2020 10:07 pm
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Balcombe Estate Sawmill on the edge of W Sussex. Top chap runs the place and happy to show you round. Does Douglas Fir and Larch and cuts up to 8m.


 
Posted : 03/12/2020 11:02 pm
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I'm east Dorset and there are a few swamills near me. Horton way. Otherwise as suggested you can go on a list to get wood from New Forest.


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 7:56 am
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iTimber near Lewes is worth a shout. Razak is a good fella and will prepare oak to your spec.
I’ve had oak sleepers off him and custom oak posts for a few jobs and they’ve all been spot on.
Oh, he’s not big on paperwork ;o)


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 8:07 am
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I used oak sleepers for a garden wall project 8 years ago.

They are completely rotten & the whole wall is being replaced.


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 8:50 am
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I spent a number of years oakwrighting in Hants, Sussex, Surrey. I used to use a couple of guys based near Milland IIRC. Doug and Wink Northway. They may well be still going, good prices then and quality English oak from the south east and east anglia.


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 6:25 pm
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I used oak sleepers for a garden wall project 8 years ago.

They are completely rotten & the whole wall is being replaced.

To be fair....what did you expect ?


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 6:46 pm
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https://eastbros.co.uk/


 
Posted : 04/12/2020 11:16 pm
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Well, I was told they would last 25 years.


 
Posted : 05/12/2020 11:20 am

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