[Closed] Greater Manchester future housing map

Thanks Harry, Likewise, the threat of 4000 new homes in High Lane near us appears to have gone

Yep I can see some that are already on right move (as artists impressions), a lot on the old sites around Trafford park and the Quays that will have a big impact and around Pomona

Cheers for that although  i'm not convinced how correct it is. In Flixton for example the council closed the municipal golf course as they had sold the land for housing development. This doesn't show on the map at all. In other cases the local church that is still in use has been identified as being a brownfield development site. that surprises me unless they plan to sell the car-park for development

Amazing map. Mesmerising level of detail.

As you state HTS - Bury seems to have been reprieved although Radcliffe seems to have been isolated.  I'd be marching if they went near Philips Park.

With housing so expensive due to demand i feel the only way to bring the costs down is to build more homes. Therefore its disappointing that some of the previously proposed sites aren't going ahead.

I feel the way to bring prices down is to whack a 100% tax on foreign investment buyers.

The London ripple has spread nation wide.

Cool the market at source.

The land identified is brownfield and is sufficient  for 175000 houses. They need 225000.

Hopefullythey'll use all the brown before they start on the green.

Let's see what the June version of the spacial framework brings. If it still involved digging up a load of fields then Burnham is in trouble

Stamp Duty on sellers, tax on profits, restrictions on buying certain new builds etc. heaps of ways to cool a market and they will do none of them. the idea is not to bring prices down but get people in with help to buy etc, if the prices drop then thousands of people hit negative equity or the ones who don't end up with no savings.

Anyway that is another thread, with about 20 apartment blocks nearing completion at the moment round my way and about 4-5x the area earmarked for development it might cause a local blip or at least make renting a little more competitive for a bit

I've been on 2 marches now and am fighting with many other people to stop any building on greenbelt.

There are plenty of empty homes and brownfield sites.

Greedy developers just want an easy option, often not playing by the rules. All these 4/5 bed executive homes being thrown up near us is in no way solving the problem.

Green belt land is so precious. It has so many important uses for the human race and of course wild animals, birds, bees etc.

With housing so expensive due to demand i feel the only way to bring the costs down is to build more homes. Therefore its disappointing that some of the previously proposed sites aren't going ahead.

Agreed, I live in Cardiff - we're building thousands of new homes too on 'greenfield' sites. I think it's a about time too.

'Greenfield' was nothing but a ploy to inflate housing prices to keep people happy because they thought they were all rich.

'Brownfield' sites invariably end up becoming another couple of thousand shoebox flats for the BTL market.

It’s the small “shoe box” properties that we need, but for sale to first time buyers not the BTL market. As Jane has said already there is no point in building thousands more 4-5 bed houses. The next generation won’t be able to afford them.

I don’t necessarily agree with your comments about Green Belt. It is there because we need green spaces. The original proposals saw a whole swathe of new housing across the fields effectively forming and annular ring round the north and east sides of the M60 that would wipe out the green land and the identity of the small towns and villages that it would engulf. It would also place a massive demand on the infrastructure. Building on brownfield would mean many small pockets of housing rather than a sprawl.

I bet that the Earl of Wilton is pissed. He is the owner of all the farm land near me and he put the whole lot up for development. 4000 houses and not a blade of wild grass or a single tree left! The new map shows less than 100. I should imagine that it would have turned a tidy profit for him, and as he lives in Australia he couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the impact that it would have on the locals.

Councils don't give a shit. They can get thousands of extra council taxes from a field. It's free money. They don't lay on extra facilities to accommodate these people . God knows what they spunk all that money on.

Local "brownfield" site still earmarked for full development, despite it actually being an abandoned golf course which has been re-wilding nicely and gets used by loads of people for recreation.

And yes it'll be more "executive" homes in a GM borough that already has loads of affordable housing. But the Tories (to whom housebuilders donate generously) are forcing the council to get more homes built. Marvellous innit.

God knows what they spunk all that money on.

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Just to echo what windydave above said about Flixton. There are several sites in the area which I'm fairly sure are going ahead (my next door neighbour works for one of the companies involved in one development and they have already reserved a plot for themselves to move into) which just don't feature at all on that map.

I really hope that it is correct though because we risk losing an area that I ride through at least a few times a week...

In the 90s I was told by one of the "people in the know" that Tameside council were actively promoting 4 and 5 bed executive houses to gentrify the borough. This was basically to move the riff/raff on......

This is coming from a council that had 51 councillors in total - 50 of them labour and the other banned from the labour party due to financial irregularities.

I do not trust any council or government officials involved in planning to have it's citizens best interests at heart.

Developers can afford expensive, clever and imo stealth lawyers, who fight local councils, who haven't got the means to fight the land banking and other crafty ways of bending the law to build properties that give profit before any other consideration.

Greenbelt:

It is not just there for the rich, it's there for everyone. If you live in a heavily populated town or city it provides:

Fresh air, somewhere to grow food or animal feed. Animal grazing, prevents mass urban sprawl, prevents flooding,  provides recreation, beauty, trees, hedges,  peace and quiet, habitat for wildlife, birds and insects.  Also small farms and outdoor type lively hoods.

Also in the latest figures showing the growing numbers of people suffering from mental illness,  mainly depression, greenbelt can provide well being. Most  people can get to some sort of greenbelt.  Do not underestimate the need for our green and pleasant land.

Green belt is precious, we cannot make or manufacture any more, once its gone, its gone.