[Closed] Great Sporting Bell Ends #6562

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Chris Lewis - [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/may/20/former-cricketer-chris-lewis-guilty-drugs ]13 yrs for importing cocaine[/url]

Look up Anthony Gobert - motorcycle racer turned druggie who ended up being arrested for petty theft.

A few lines of coke is nowt.

Sad, very sad. His career is over and he's no focus in his life so he's bored and this is what happens with too much time and too much money. He's not the only one and he won't be the last - if Rooney isn't careful he will be like a ticking time-bomb and could easily head this way.

I find it quite sad and disgusting that a newspaper can use a person during their successful years to sell papers and then revel and sell more papers in their downfall, that's not news! Scum.
This has been seen so many times, as Hadge says it won't be the last. Paul Gasgoine anyone? Too much money, too much adoration and then suddenly nothing.
Rooney should be ok, he's probably in the best place to keep him focused and under control. Ferguson won't torelate an abuse of talent, but if someone is hellbent on self destruction there is little anyone can do.

So what if Hatton wants to take some drugs: It's his life, he can live it how he sees fit.

he's a role model to some kids, especially in Manchester, that's my only concern
but then, should boxers be role models?
I think the bigger issue here is that you've been caught reading the News of the World
disgraceful behaviour

COME FORTH MIDDLE ENGLAND AND SHOW YOUR DISTAIN!!!

Pathetic, so Hatton likes a line now and again, lots of us do, and guess what, so do a good percentage of the country. I'm afraid these days it's just like having a pint, but people don't show revulsion at that do they??

wot he said^

leave the bloke alone.

Not sure a few lines of cheeky is the same league as having a few scoops but I agree with the sentiment.

A good % of the population?

Which ever way you look at it that's a whole new definition of the word 'good'.

I just love the concerned friend cashing in and selling the non-story!

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missy_Giove ]Missy Giove: In June 2009 Giove was arrested in upstate Wilton, New York on charges of conspiring to possess and distribute over 400 pounds of marijuana. Giove has pleaded guilty to the charges and faces a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years, a maximum penalty of 40 years imprisonment and a fine of up to $2 million[/url]

he's a role model to some kids, especially in Manchester, that's my only concern

And of course none of those kids would know about him taking drugs if it wasn't for the NOTW. I really don't see how this is in the public interest.

News Of The World really are c*nts.

...and the OP needs to wind his neck in for calling someone they do not know a bell end for recreational drug use.

The guys just having a couple of poodles legs so he can last the distance on his night on the batter and this tart who's pretending to be his mate has filmed him and shopped him to the NOTW. Premeditated too!
Shame on her. I read the article and the comments below and f*ck me there are some small minded people in this country.

He's been doing it for years. I used to regularly see him training inbetween fights. His weight would seriously yoyo, several stone.

Old news

You guys can kid yourselves all you want. Taking drugs is neither big or clever. Yes he is a bell end for doing it, as is everyone else. You guys included if that's your thing

Taking drugs is neither big or clever. Yes he is a bell end for doing it, as is everyone else. You guys included if that's your thing

Aww diddums! Did someone smoke a banana skin and get dizzy?

You guys can kid yourselves all you want. Taking drugs is neither big or clever. Yes he is a bell end for doing it, as is everyone else. You guys included if that's your thing

I take it you don't drink alcohol either then?

For saying that Monkey, I believe it is you who is the bell-end: Let people live their own lives, you self-righteous idiot.

Next...

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so Hatton likes a line now and again, lots of us do, and guess what, so do a good percentage of the country

Bakes - that is to do with the prohibition - the legal status of the drug. Nothing to do with inherent qualities of the drug. That is an argument for legalisation as prohibition does not reduce consumption.

Ahr ****, it's turned into this argument again.....

C'mon guys, from the casual user to the addicted, each to their own and all that, but [i]really[/i], you're not in the slightest bit ashamed of your need to dabble?

Do you drink alcohol TSY?

prohibition does not reduce consumption.

Really?

TJ, yes I do...

Isn't alcohol legal?

I know that TJ, it's doesn't change the fact that people taking drugs funds terrorism, and that they should not be ignorant of that fact

I think there must be a parallel universe where everyone has the odd dabble with drugs and it's seen as perfectly fine. At least that's the impression I get from some people's comments and the odd article in the more left wing press.

In my social circles it's either very unusual, or so low key that I haven't noticed.

Tron - its clear the "war on drugs" and prohibition has failed.

Vast quantities of drugs are consumed in countries with prohibition. In countries with more lax regimes consumption is lower and less problematic. In the USA you can go to jail for long periods for simple possession of small amounts of drugs - has it stopped consumption soaring?

The classic example of this is the dutch and heroin addicts. Simply put there are almost no new heroin addicts each year in the Netherlands. No new recruits. Why? - because of their liberal drug policies.

Teh average age of a junkie in the netherlands is in the low 40s and there are fewer of them each year. In the UK its low 20s and there are more of them each year.

Bakes, I hate to ruin your delusion but (living in Liverpool as I do) I know people right the way up the 'chain' from when it comes over, I can assure you they are not terrorists and they don't rape children, though no doubt the daily mail has you believing otherwise. The funny thing is is that people who are slap bang middle englanders think these big bad drug dealers are the devil incarnate. They are people, they have chosen a certain vocation, but on the whole they are pretty normal people.

You know it isn't as simple as that, and there's no way to control for all the other factors involved.

You might as well say that the Czechs drink more beer than us because we have cooler summers and milder winters.

They're nothing more than criminals. Simple

TJ & Bakes forget the prohibition argument. It's the need to take drugs full stop that is the issue. If I was getting shitfaced on white lightening every night I consider that something to be ashamed of too.

Tron - I'm afraid while I have oversimplified it is clear that prohibition not only has failed but makes the situation worse.

Look into the case of Leah Betts if you want to see why.

Humans have always wanted to get high and prohibition simply does not work

Look into the history of prohibition of alcohol in the USA

loddrik - pretty normal people who are also willing to fu~k you up real bad if you step out of line?

TSY - but you drink alcohol. Thats a drug implicated in huge numbers of deaths and huge amounts of addiction and misery.

Not all drug users get shitfaced every night. I know respectable successful professional people who like a little reconsecration drug use now and then.

TJ, you're talking tripe. Come back when you've got a test where the factors of treatment, education, social stature, employment etc. have all been controlled for and someone has a good confidence interval suggesting that prohibition increases consumption.

Until then, wind your neck in with your stupid unfounded assertions.

😆 @ TJ!
This is a public forum and a topic on which I am more than happy to discuss my personal opinions, however as a 'respectable successful professional'.... 😉

Still doesn't change what I think about the whole thing.

Tron

saometimes the truth is awkward and does not fit your perceptions.

Its a very complex subject but it is clear that prohibition does not reduce consumption of drugs and it is clear that prohibition make the social ills of drug taking worse.

this may not fit in with your simplistic kneejerk response. It is however not

stupid unfounded assertions.

Much research and evidence of this.

Until then, wind your neck in with your stupid unfounded assertions.

As much as it goes against my better nature I'm inclined to agree with TJ on this point. I think the government actually appointed someone to do a lot of research regarding drugs and when he pointed out that prohibition wasn't working they sacked him.

If it were clear, there'd be proof. Let's see the "research and evidence".

I note that you're now suggesting that people research your arguments, rather than providing the research to back up your claims...

As far as I can remember, Leah Betts died from drinking a hell of a lot of water. Which would be down to poor education, rather than the fact that MDMA is illegal.

Are some of those defending drugs use on this thread the very same people who shout "BUT IT'S BREAKING THE LAW" every time someone on here confesses to having done 75 mph once?

tron - if it was legal then Leah could've tried MDMA at home with her parents, she could have started out in a safe environment with her parents monitoring her water consumption?

Tron - I am suggesting if you knew a little more then you would be able to see its a lot more complex than "drugs are bad, prohibition is good"

There's nothing to suggest that her parents wouldn't have acted on the same poor information which was around at the time. I'd go as far as to say that even now, a lot of people don't know that you can kill yourself by drinking too much water.

TJ, you're moving the goalposts rather a lot. You said that "prohibition does not reduce consumption.". Prove it.

Bizzarre, innit.

Professor Nutt's proposed reclassification based on hard fact and evidence would have set MDMA as one of the safest, with alcohol and Tobacco waaaaay down......

Exactly TSY - and when she panicked she would have been able to get decent advice.

She panicked, thought that drinking lots of water would bring her down and thus drank soi much water she died from it.

Sorry Tron I should have put one of these in my last post 😆

A bit of recreational drug taking is all good imo. I spent the first six years of my adult life high as a kite on one thing or another. Now it's different, theres a time and a place for such things and such things are very few and far between these days. The vast majority of my old drug taking friends are still at it now on a daily basis.
Old Ricky boy obviously likes the odd line and was very foolish to be caught on camera. I wonder how many folks in the news of the world office partake in "pick me up" when they are out.? I always feel theres an element of hypocrisy about these stories.

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Are some of those defending drugs use on this thread the very same people who shout "BUT IT'S BREAKING THE LAW" every time someone on here confesses to having done 75 mph once?

No, I drive like a maniac too. Espescially when I'm ripped off my tits 8)

Tron - unprovable - but its my belief. Decriminalisation of cannabis in the Netherlands has led to as decline in the use of cannabis and a huge decline in the use of heroin allied to seeing drug use as a public health issue not a criminal one.

Its really far to complex to go into in a forum such as this due tot eh differing drugs and their actions but one of the effects of prohibition is to deter people from getting treatment for drug problems.

You guys can kid yourselves all you want. Taking drugs is neither big or clever.

This is true. I've taken drugs, and I'm small and stupid. 😳

Oh right. It's an article of faith.

I suspect that the fact that PPP GDP per Capita in the Netherlands is rather higher than here, and that their society is flatter than ours would have a massive impact on the use of hard drugs.

As for seeing drug use as health issue, we do. WTF do you think the government shovels cash into people like Turning Point?

Tron - no its an informed opinion.

We spend very little on drug rehabilitation and so on compared to the money we spend on criminal justice relating to drugs.

Every £ spent on drug rehab saves £7 in criminal justice. half of crime is drug related. 8% of the population regularly use drugs, 20+ % occasionally.(IIRC)

You just said it was a belief...

probably be cut down anyway,

I believe it to be true based on the information I have. Its not blind faith its an informed opinion.

I have worked ( briefly) in drug rehab and in the criminal justice system where I came into contact with drug users.

Are some of those defending drugs use on this thread the very same people who shout "BUT IT'S BREAKING THE LAW" every time someone on here confesses to having done 75 mph once?

The difference is that generally when you take drugs (apart from maybe alcohol) you are only endangering yourself.

I think there must be a parallel universe where everyone has the odd dabble with drugs and it's seen as perfectly fine. At least that's the impression I get from some people's comments and the odd article in the more left wing press.

In my social circles it's either very unusual, or so low key that I haven't noticed.

Probably just no-one invites you to any of the fun parties because they can tell what a killjoy you are 😛

What Grum said, your freinds who partake hide thier use from you as you are so obviously anti.

I've hid my use from the conservative elements for years.

The difference is that generally when you take drugs (apart from maybe alcohol) you are only endangering yourself.

That's really, a very, very short sighted view. What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?

What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?

A problem that would be solved immediately if they were made legal... I look forward to the day I can say I'm just off to the shop for a pack of spliffs.

No, I drive like a maniac too. Espescially when I'm ripped off my tits

I lol'd.

A problem that would be solved immediately if they were made legal.

It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.

What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?

I dunno - presumably then you only ever buy fair trade food, clothing etc? Never anything made in a sweat shop?

It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.

The previous poster referred to weed - that doesn't need to come from dodgy S American countries. There is really no logical argument whatsoever against allowing people to grow their own.

Moral relativism on a very grand scale there! I suggest you go and watch a documentary or two about coca farming, the gangs that run the operations and their methods.

Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.

Well that's a start in my book.

Have a read of this:

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/legalisation-drugs-antonio-maria-costa ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/legalisation-drugs-antonio-maria-costa[/url]

loddrik:

I can assure you they are not terrorists and they don't rape children

that's ok then isn't it, just the odd bit of armed robbery, extortion, gun running and prostitution? nice family business?

or you could have a read of this tron - in relation to Portugal's decriminalisation of all drugs.

The question is, does the new policy work? At the time, critics in the poor, socially conservative and largely Catholic nation said decriminalizing drug possession would open the country to "drug tourists" and exacerbate Portugal's drug problem; the country had some of the highest levels of hard-drug use in Europe. But the recently released results of a report commissioned by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, suggest otherwise.

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.

By god, how short sighted you are.
That same rule applies to almost any consumer goods you could care to mention.
Clothes? sweatshops in the far east
Electronic goods? Copper and tin mines run by Congolese warloads employing slave labour

Etc etc..

For all our western consumerism, some one somewhere is having a very very bad day

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah... Ricky Hatton!

By his own admission he's a bit of a bell-end.

A brilliant boxer, who arguably squandered his potential through a love of ale, pies and (now it seems) chang!

I think as much fun as drugs are recreationally, or otherwise, they probably have a lot to do with many people not reaching their full potential.

But hey, maybe your potential was exactly where you are, hazy memories and all!

And a bit more 'moral relativism' for you tron

[b]The demand for cell phones and computer chips is helping fuel a bloody civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo.[/b]

The offer turned up a few weeks ago on an Internet bulletin board called the Embassy Network. Among the postings about Dutch work visas and Italian pen pals lurked a surprisingly blunt proposal: "How much do you want to offer per kilogram? Please find me at least 100,000 U.S. dollars and I will deliver immediately."

The substance for sale wasn't cocaine or top-grade opium. It was an ore called Columbite-tantalite - coltan for short - one of the world's most sought-after materials. Refine coltan and you get a highly heat-resistant metal powder called tantalum. It sells for $100 a pound, and it's becoming increasingly vital to modern life. For the high-tech industry, tantalum is magic dust, a key component in everything from mobile phones made by Nokia (NOK) and Ericsson and computer chips from Intel (INTC) to Sony (SNE) stereos and VCRs.

Selling coltan is not illegal. Most of the worldwide tantalum supply - valued at as much as $6 billion a year - comes from legitimate mining operations in Australia, Canada and Brazil. But as demand for tantalum took off with the boom of high-tech products in recent years, a new, more sinister market began flourishing in the Democratic Republic of Congo. There, warring rebel groups - many funded and supplied by neighboring Rwanda and Uganda - are exploiting coltan mining to help finance a bloody civil war now in its third year. "There is a direct link between human rights abuses and the exploitation of resources in areas in the DRC occupied by Rwanda and Uganda," says Suliman Baldo, a senior researcher in the Africa division at Human Rights Watch, a New York-based nongovernmental organization that tracks human-rights abuses worldwide.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/442/guns-money-and-cell-phones

I think as much fun as drugs are recreationally, or otherwise, they probably have a lot to do with many people not reaching their full potential.

But hey, maybe your potential was exactly where you are, hazy memories and all!

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I reckon TJ is right it should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work.

Just one thing though - we should also have the right to knock off the dealers. Old-fashioned outlawry. Bang, you're dead. 🙂

I HATE THIS THREAD AS I'M AGREEING WITH TJ FFS :evil 👿

Drugs should stay illegal as far as I'm concerned.

I'd never be able to afford them if the govt. got their hands on them.

tron - check out the recent decriminalisation of drugs in Portugal if you want the most recent example of what happens when you do.
Prohibition does not work I'm afraid, and the sooner we start to decriminalise & tax drugs the better for everyone imo.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/20/drugsandalcohol.uk

I believe California is close to starting to tax the 'medicinal' marijuana trade.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/california.pot.tax/

1.8% tax rate according to that article. Considering that weed is the 2nd biggest cash crop in Canada these days, then there is some serious revenue to be made. Once the powers that be realise that then it's only a matter of time.

In another article NoTW also saying that the eejit Kerry Katona is having to move back North as she can't afford her £3.5m home!

Glad I live in the Midlands - at least dozy Northerners either stay at home or move South and leave us alone.

79 posts on great sporting bell ends and no mention of Kyle Lafferty? I can only assume the discussion went off-topic...