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I get they want to compete with Apple, but the pricing seems ludicrously ambitious for a new phone without the brand cachet and loyalty that Apple has.
The 5in Pixel will cost £599 with 32GB of storage or £699 with 128GB of storage. The 5.5in Pixel XL will cost £719 with 32GB of storage or £819 with 128GB of storage. Both models match the pricing of Apple’s iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus
can probably plug your sennheiser headphones in though?
Does use flash? And other such drowl comments.
If every component is of a higher specification than an iPhone, which it appears to be, then why should it cost any less?
There are already countless "cheaper" options if you want a smartphone that doesn't cost the earth, there's no point trying to expand that market.
Allied to that there must be an element of "if it's cheaper it can't be as good" so start off pricey and you can always go down from there.
Price is too high. 6p seems like decent value now, or Moto z Force maybe. I'm after battery over anything else. Moto x play doing somewhat well for me one year later.
Crikey. The oneplus 3 manages more or less the same spec for £329 with 64gb...
The new Sony Xperia XZ looks nice and comes in a little cheaper in price. Could who be a contender for those not wedded to the obvious Apple or Samsung.
No mention of missing SD card slots, removable batteries?
Google have dropped a bollock on this one.
The main appeal of Android was its price! They're going to really struggle to command this sort of premium for their product.
I really dont think they will. New Android is very polished, Google control the hardware and the software so that should be flawless and it's a very premium device. It competes with the iPhone, so it's priced accordingly. Too cheap and people wont buy it. Its 'reassuringly expensive'.
is it going to last more than half a day?
Bit stupid when every other bugger can make an android phone that lasts longer than Googles flagships.
Phones who gives a shit.
The main appeal of Android was its price!
Not really, it just works 😉
New Android is very polished, Google control the hardware and the software so that should be flawless and it's a very premium device.
This, been using a Nexus 6p for a year now, had the Nexus 5 for 18 months before that. Both excellent phones, both did exactly what they said they would quietly and effectivly.
is it going to last more than half a day?
Unless I spend all day listenting and with the screen on browsing mine lasts 1-1.5 days especially with the battery saver. Couple that with the boost from a 10min fast charge it's never really caused me a problem.
Googles share price rose today, on the day of the new i-launch apples dropped. Make of that what you will
I've a 5X and it's the first phone that I've had that I'm happy with, it just goes about it's job with min fuss and hassle. I'll be looking at these when it's time to change
battery life is happily a day and a half (unless being hammered) more importantly I can charge it from empty to full in a couple of hours
Will never buy a Google phone again. Got their first attempt maybe 8 years ago, was absolutely useless. Got rid of it after 3 months even though it was a 12 month contract.
Unless pricing is substantially cheaper they will make little headway against Samsung and Apple.
they will make little headway against Samsung and Apple.
I don't really care about it's penetration against the two market leaders, it's completely irrelevant
looking at these. Ive had a Z3 compact for the last 2 years and im on my third. (water damage, they arnt as waterproof as they make out) Its a brilliant phone and camera.
Id like one of the pixel ones but it costs more than another top end brand. Thats crazy.
not buying anything from a company run by the CIA
Will never buy a Google phone again. Got their first attempt maybe 8 years ago, was absolutely useless
Yeah I'm the same with bananas - I had a bad one 8 years ago and I haven't eaten one since.
Why is the fingerprint sensor on the back!?
I don't really care about it's penetration against the two market leaders, it's completely irrelevant
I think you'll find that Google will be 100% opposed to that view, that's their sole reason to develop a 'premium' phone...
I don't really care about it's penetration against the two market leaders, it's completely irrelevant
In terms of actual manufacturer (eg, Google vs HTC vs Samsung), yes, it's irrelevant. In terms of OS / infrastructure though (Android vs iDevice) it's very relevant as it attracts developers.
I don't really care about it's penetration against the two market leaders, it's completely irrelevant
In terms of actual manufacturer (eg, Google vs HTC vs Samsung), yes, it's irrelevant. In terms of OS / infrastructure though (Android vs iDevice) it's very relevant as it attracts developers.
If they want to compete with Apple they need to make it look like a premium item and sell it like one. That blue one looks terrible and their website could be selling A.N.Other android phone.
And they do phone cases in pretty colours and with pictures on! Is it 2007?
Whether you like Apple or not they know how to market their products very well.
jambalaya - Member
Will never buy a Google phone again. Got their first attempt maybe 8 years ago, was absolutely useless. Got rid of it after 3 months even though it was a 12 month contract.
I think phones have progressed somewhat in the intertwining years! 😆
Not that I'm promoting buying this phone. I think it's crazy to spend so much on for a finger print scranner, NFC and some extra processor power, which in the main is largely useless and other such fairly useless trinkets.
Too cheap and people wont buy it. Its 'reassuringly expensive'.
So Apples are too expensive but Google are reassuringly expensive. 😆
Why is the fingerprint sensor on the back!?
same on my Nexus, actually quite intuitive when you start to use the phone on a daily basis.
what do they actually do that justifies the price? Google phone, Apple, ANother 'premium' phone.
I have a HTC One mini M8 blah, blah.......It doesn't have finger print recognition, but I can pay for stuff with it, it take nice photos, I can make calls, send text, [s]look at porn[/s] go on the internet. I genuinely don't understand what makes these phones sooooo expensive.
Although I can understand if it's just "people want them so we charge more and they are a bit blingy" or if they do loads of 'business' stuff.....
My 7 is due any moment, but I'll certainly have a look in 18 months when I can change again.
I didn't like my last Andriod phone, seemed to have 2 or even 3 apps that all did the same thing, or variations of the same thing and I found the 3 unlabled bottons annoying - they seemed to do different things on different apps so I said I'd never go back, but it seems most of my issues were down to it being a Samsung who want to push their own apps / shops over Google which won't be an issue here, and the fact it was a low-spec S3 Mini which is never going to be as nice to use as the iPhone 6 that replaced it.
ads678 - Member
I genuinely don't understand what makes these phones sooooo expensive.
The amount of people willing to part with their cash.
Beer has a similar effect on me. though more in a bulk rather sense! 😆
[quote=cp ]Crikey. The oneplus 3 manages more or less the same spec for £329 with 64gb...
Google had better improve their software quality & support if they think they can charge big money for the Pixel. I had two different Nexus phones, both had software problems introduced by updates (i.e. they broke stuff that had been working) which Google refused to acknowledge.
Oh no, I remember now- a google employed [i]did [/i]respond in the form of a blog post about one of the bugs after about a year. He was bitching about users posting 'me too' and 'this still isn't fixed after X months'. WELL ****ING FIX IT OR AT LEAST SAY THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IT. ****
I will never buy an Android phone again, no matter who manufactures it. I hate the OS 🙁
I was a bit of a Nexus fanboi but I just don't see how these Pixel phones are going to compete with Samsung in the android space and iPhones in the other smartphone space, unless all this machine learning whizz bangery is some serious next level craziness.
darrell - Membernot buying anything from a company run by the CIA
Jive? Is that you Jive?
I think this is a real attempt by google to capture the iPhone,Samsung, HTC etc high end phone market.
People will happily pay high prices for the top of range iPhone etc.
Up till now Google has focused on the mid to low end, established itself well and made a good name for itself.
It always amazes me that people will pay so much for a mobile handset. I've been using a Moto G (Mk2 and Mk3) for a couple of years. I really cant find them lacking really, they're not blingy, they just work.
not buying anything from a company run by the CIA
FBI slush fund Facebook.
Makes you think.....
A mid range phone at super premium pricing?
No Thanks
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On the fingerprint sensor why put it on the front? Pick up a phone and where are your fingers? How do you pick up the phone with your fingers at the front if you want to use it?
[quote=mikewsmith ]On the fingerprint sensor why put it on the front? Pick up a phone and where are your fingers? How do you pick up the phone with your fingers at the front if you want to use it?
some of us have opposable thumbs... 😉
Well done I pick up. My phone as my finger sits in the middle at the back, exactly where the sensor is, kind of how you hold it. Like someone had thought of it
Is the big deal about this you talk to the phone a lot when using apps? Do many people want that? Seems a gimmick to me rather than the next big thing. I used to feel a tit using Siri in public when I had an iPhone, was it just me?
Is the big deal about this you talk to the phone a lot when using apps? Do many people want that?
Apparently it's taken off in the states but is still not really the done thing here. Googles voice recognition is ahead of the competition though and I do somethings use it when I have my hands full.
Its bad enough people talking to their phone with it on speaker. Is it really that hard to put your phone to your ear so we don't have to listen to you waffling about Britney's thrush in public again?
I think this is a real attempt by google to capture the iPhone,Samsung, HTC etc high end phone market.
People will happily pay high prices for the top of range iPhone etc.
Whats their Unique Selling Point ? Same price as established players, where is their advantage ?
Yup because we know them and are repeat customers having had a positive experience. Also Apple phines hold their value well so overall cost of overnership is reasonable
Fuzzy - no idea, I have never used it. I know why the phone companies are keen on it, the more they improve voice recognition which they do by AI learning of Siri usage the more ability they will have to scan our voice calls like they do emails for advertising keywords. IMO its absoluteky not about user convenience
Whats their Unique Selling Point
it's not iproduct? They have a headphone socket? but I suspect it's a premium phone designed to work with the Google platform for all the google/gmail/chrome users
I'm not sure NickC understands what unique means.
Same price as established players, where is their advantage ?
It's a own brand Google phone, so you will be staying up to date with Android when you get the phone. A bit like you can with iOS but it's Android and not iOS.
Nexus was great. But Nexus was cheap and the build quality reflected the price. This is expensive and it needs to be a build quality to reflect the price, like the iPhone generally is.
People generally purchase a phone on contract and don't think too much about the overall price of it because it's lost to them with monthly contract costs.
Whats their Unique Selling Point ?
can someone do a venn diagram of:
doesnt catch on fire
not an iphone.
[quote=jambalaya ]Also Apple phines hold their value well so overall cost of overnership is reasonable
Not especially when compared to comparable devices.
I just checked a few sold listings on ebay and a used iPhone 6 (released autumn 2014) is going for around 35% of the original price. A used Sam Note 4 (also aut 2014) is also around 35% of the original price.
where is their advantage ?
Unlimited online photo/video backup, immediate update of the next [i]x[/i] versions of the OS, tighter integration between hardware and software.
I'll not be buying one because I'm tight and I don't [i]need[/i] the newest bestest phone. I always buy second hand, so will be looking for a second hand Nexus 5X and hoping that much of the AI newness appears as software.
I'm not sure NickC understands what unique means.
all your unique are belong to us
mikewsmith » On the fingerprint sensor why put it on the front? Pick up a phone and where are your fingers? How do you pick up the phone with your fingers at the front if you want to use it?
some of us have opposable thumbs...
Yeah, fingerprint recognition doesn't mean you can't use your thumbs: I almost exclusively use my thumbs when I unlock my phone, it just seems the most natural thing to do.
I almost exclusively use my thumbs when I unlock my phone
Man, you're really missing out. There's [i]loads[/i] of things that thumbs are good for:
[url= http://www.google.co.uk ]Wikipedia/Thumbs and their uses[/url]
I almost exclusively use my thumbs when I unlock my phone, it just seems the most natural thing to do.
I'd assume that is because of where apple put the sensor (because that is where their home button was and they didn't want to change/move/add one)
If you remove conditioning where would you put it 😉
The selling points?
Well put together integrated OS - I have a seamless connection between my apps, phone, pc and cloud
Not Apple - for many reasons
High performance phone
Clean android is great
uses normal connections - 3.5mm headphone USB C (an actual standard cable) - no need to buy a special cable to connect to a phone for no reason other than to license cables/docking stations
The selling points?
Well put together integrated OS - I have a seamless connection between my apps, phone, pc and cloud
Not Apple - for many reasons
High performance phone
Clean android is great
uses normal connections - 3.5mm headphone USB C (an actual standard cable) - no need to buy a special cable to connect to a phone for no reason other than to license cables/docking stations
As mentioned above, the Oneplus3 has all that covered for something like half the price. The difference seems to be that many people value being able to pick one up in a shop (and take it back if there's a problem), and of course you can't pay for a OP3 over 24 months.
I like the smaller one - if it's dual sim, it might get a look-in when I replace my OPX.
It's a phone.
They've floated at a high price.
They will adjust price based on the strength of sales.
I am sure they have plenty of margin to play with - I doubt they have the problems that RIM had where they couldn't reduce the price because they were crap at making phones efficiently.
The difference seems to be that many people value being able to pick one up in a shop (and take it back if there's a problem), and of course you can't pay for a OP3 over 24 months.
slight aside - op3 is now available from o2 on contract...
Unless they adjust the price radically downwards it's going to be as successful as the Google Glasses.
Nothing about this makes me want to spend £500 more than I paid to get my most recent phone.
The only conceivable difference is the camera, my phone smashes this to bits in terms of battery life.
The sheep will be lining up to empty their pockets though, so well done Google.
I've had a Nexus 5 and now a Nexus 5X. Both have been pretty good. I think the key point with the Nexus branded phones was the value for money. They were priced very competitively for what you got. The Pixel phones seem to have upped that.
I guess you could compare the Nexus range to Skoda and the Pixel range to BMW/Audi (insert other appropriate STW car brand).
Nothing about this makes me want to spend £500 more than I paid to get my most recent phone.
You're not their target market.
They're aiming for people who [i]are[/i] willing to spend this much on a phone, because they already do to get the latest bestest Samsung/Sony/Apple phone.
Whats their Unique Selling Point
Regular upgrades of the latest Android, which apparently most Android manufacturers don't supply to owners as they have to re-customise the latest build from Google and can't be bothered....
apparently most Android manufacturers don't supply to owners as they have to re-customise the latest build from Google and can't be bothered....
The current process is:
new version by Google > ported to the handset by the manufacturer > pushed out by the mobile company
Some phone companies are faster than others at modifying for the handset, and some don't bother. (Some also add a load of junk over the top of Android.)
(Google moved a lot of the functionality of the OS to a higher level 'app' that they could control directly a few versions ago, so being on an older version doesn't stop all the new functionality making its way through.)
With Pixel:
new version by Google > pushed out by Google
With Pixel:new version by Google > pushed out by Google
same as the Nexus, just got the first update to 7 this morning.
jambalaya - Member
Unless they adjust the price radically downwards it's going to be as successful as the Google Glasses.
but if you slapped an apple badge on the back it would be must have?
Pricing is on a par with the S7 etc.
Android (Nexus) phones were historically cheaper that iPhones because Google's bottom line is subsidised by them flogging your personal details to build an advertising profile. Now they want their cake and to eat it too.
Google also do a top line Chrome book that price matches the mac, and yet no-one is forced to buy one, some folk like spending money, some don't. Don't understand why it seems to wind up Jamba and others on the thread.
weird, picking your choice of phone is becoming like picking a football team. Choose a side and be a dick about it.
weird, picking your choice of phone is becoming like picking a football team. Choose a side and be a dick about it.
Pick?
Outrageous suggestion, football team should be allocated at birth.
Will never buy a Google phone again. Got their first attempt maybe 8 years ago, was absolutely useless. Got rid of it after 3 months even though it was a 12 month contract.
i thought the G1 with OG android was a great phone, G2 was decent as well,
but if you slapped an apple badge on the back it would be must have?
No it would need iOS and the seemless integration with iCloud, iPad, Apple TV and Macs
i thought the G1 with OG android was a great phone, G2 was decent as well,
Mine was the white one with the keyboard.
Google phones are going to be as successful as Google has been at making inroads into Facebook / social media
No it would need iOS and the seemless integration with iCloud, iPad, Apple TV and Macs
as it stands without the apple badge, it has seemless integration with Drive, any other android device you choose etc.... oh, and iphones it would appear 🙂
so let me get this right, It can be a premium product if it's made by one giant american corp that has storage, telly, browser, and computers in it's platform, but if another giant american corp try to do exactly the same thing (googledrive, chromecast, chromebooks and well, any computer ever) it can't be premium, because...resons?
Google phones are going to be as successful as Google has been at making inroads into Facebook / social media
Google currently have around a 90% share of the phone market, OS-wise. They're [i]quite[/i] successful...
... it can't be premium, because...resons?
Because Google has no brand cache - it's not seen as sexy. Just like Microsoft isn't sexy - very good at what they do, but seen as a utility, a white goods product.
If a Lexus cars were badged as Toyotas (which they are) do you think they'd sell as well or have the same appeal to their target market?
Because Google has no brand cache
As a google user, is there any good reason I can't have the same perceived quality of product that apple users expect, if that's what I want?
you seem to be saying, because I haven't chosen Apple, I can't have a quality product.
you seem to be saying, because I haven't chosen Apple, I can't have a quality product.
Not saying Google can't produce a quality product at all. And you are free to buy that product.
I'm saying that the vast majority of people won't desire that product.
There are Apple fanatics but in general phones are still not quite like fashion clothing where the brand cache is everything. People are generally pretty interested in how the product functions, how many pixels, camera performance, processor speed, battery life etc.
Google is a very established service/software brand, it is going to be interesting to see how it develops as a goods brand. What some people have pointed out here is that the Pixel is priced much higher than technically similar products. I suspect in reality the Pixel's hardware e.g. camera will turn out to technically outperform a lot of the competition but how justified their initial asking price is will depend on how people take to the design of the phone as an overall package.
so let me get this right, It can be a premium product if it's made by one giant american corp that has storage, telly, browser, and computers in it's platform, but if another giant american corp try to do exactly the same thing (googledrive, chromecast, chromebooks and well, any computer ever) it can't be premium, because...resons?
You've got it right. Casio can't just set-up a plant in Switzerland and then knock out automatic watches and hope to sell them for the same price as Rolex.
Brands have value, Apple consistently tops Forbes World's Most Valuable Brand list.
Reasons why Google isn't a premium brand.
1. It's advertising driven, google's most famous product Google.com is an ad platform. Apple.com isn't.
2. Google's core services are free to use - got a gmail account?
3. Google often target their products at the value end of the market, Chromecast £30.
Non of the above shout 'Premium brand'. That doesn't mean they don't make premium or cutting edge tech, it just means they can't expect the margins Apple do.
It's not really weather Google can sell an expensive phone, it's how long Apple can keep selling their phones at the price they do.
Google can absolutely launch a fancy expensive phone. I'm just expressing my view it will be a flop. Bill Gates expressed his view that the iPhone would be a flop. We are all entitled to our opinions.
t's not really weather Google can sell an expensive phone, it's how long Apple can keep selling their phones at the price they do.
Absolutely, if / when sales slow down they can cut the price but right now they can sell them as fast as they make them. They have only just started selling in China fwiw.
They have only just started selling in China fwiw.
"offically" on sale since 2009 two years after the first iphone went on sale in the US. I'll bet most chinese have never heard of apple 🙄