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Sounds like someone else has listened to the most recent Darknet Diaries podcast 🙂
not sure I know many primary school kids using VPNs...
people can already use deepfakes to extort money off me by pretending to be my kid. This bill won't impact that.
Doing something will of course reduce content. It won't stop it, anyone who thinks anything can entirely stop it is an idiot. but doing nothing is not an option.
Whenever people slag off these kind of bills they rarely come up with an alternative. So I can only assume that means we all think nothing needs to be done. Maybe, but personally I'd rather do something. Bit like putting the recycling out and cutting down on meat...
The issue is that the "something" they've done have does nothing to prevent nefarious users doing nefarious things, but that if it is enforced it will make it easier/more likely for those things to happen to you or I. So sort of the exact opposite of your post.
So unless you are really, really good and really, really lucky then chances are one countries law enforcement agency would find their way in and then invite everyone else to the party.
How would they know?
If I give the app to people directly, and don't put it on Google Play, how would anyone know?
Yet despite this being VERY easy to solve
Could you please put your SA80 down and step away whilst someone makes the area safe?
Sorry if I’m bucking the trend here and coming off all Tory. I’m not, I’m a raging lefty. But I’m also a parent. And that’s my priority right now.
Do you understand the unintended consequences of this stupid bill? If not, I suggest you do some learning now. The potential negative impacts are many orders of magnitude more serious than your kids getting exposed to pornography a couple of years earlier than they should!
This is populist posturing and an attempt at over-reach by a lame government but has potential serious impacts on many other aspects of life such as security of your bank accounts and identity, plus how UK businesses can (or cannot) do business outside the UK or how foreign businesses may choose not to do business in the UK...
(BTW: I was "exposed to pornography" when I was 12 or 13 when I found a stash of porn mags. It didn't turn me into a rapist you'll be pleased to know so, you personally may have your reasons for wanting the government to "to something" but in the grand scheme of things, that's a trivial use case. Sorry for the reality check 😉)
Agreed, triviliaising the issues young girls and boys are getting from seeing some of the sick porn that is available, the disturbing content from some 'contributors' and the horrendous mental health impact that has to finding a mag in a hedge in the 80s is rather distasteful.
The potential issues you highlight are a potential major issue for the UK, but so is the 1st issue i raised above
"Parenting is easy..." said no one ever, but it's the parents responsibility to either (a) prevent their kids being exposed to pornography/evil/whatever (using whatever means available) or (b) dealing with the consequences.
It's a core part of parenting and it might make you the unpopular parent with your kid or their friends if/when you put limits on what they can do.
But this bill is throwing the "baby out with the bath water level of over-reaction" and I personally have a problem with parents who expect the state to step in fix the problem because they abject their responsibility for their own kids or complain because it's "too hard" whilst deliberately compromising MY security and/or potentially putting my livelihood at risk.
Firstly, that’s not how it works; secondly there’s porn and there’s porn…
Fullheartedly agree with your second point, not so sure about your first unless you're talking about the rabbit hole in the hedge?
Anyway I agree with his general point which is that this legislation is utterly brain dead and will wreak havoc when someone breaks open the back door.
And they will.
Encription is ‘just’ maths, the government may as well try and ban calculus, or French.
Oi, you've pinched that line off me! 😁
I’m reasonably confident I could write an app now that used private key encryption and install it on my Android phone. Then I could send you the app and the private key and you could do the same. Noone would ever know.
I’m also reasonably confident I could do the same thing with PKI and create a criminal network based on my own shady certificate authority and anyone could use it.
And this is essentially what he just said.
Fundamentally this isn't wizardry, the knowledge how to do it is in the public domain. The basic concept is in young adult fiction (uh, as is wizardry). You can ban what you like, it's the work of minutes for anyone moderately technical to implement from scratch.
Sorry if I’m bucking the trend here and coming off all Tory. I’m not, I’m a raging lefty. But I’m also a parent. And that’s my priority right now.
Which is exactly what they're banking on. "You're opposed to the bill? Don't you want to protect children?" It's an emotive argument and it is deeply disingenuous.
Whenever people slag off these kind of bills they rarely come up with an alternative. So I can only assume that means we all think nothing needs to be done. Maybe, but personally I’d rather do something.
The desire to do "something" rather than nothing is in part how we got brexit. Setting fire to your settee because you're a bit chilly is "doing something." Building a scale model of the Arc Du Triomphe out of your own earwax because you're a bit chilly is "doing something." We don't need a better alternative before we can acknowledge that an idea is braindead or simply just won't work.
It's a difficult issue for sure. But "something" isn't the answer even if we're not sure what actually is.
Has anyone seen anything "official" from the Government about how they intend to measure the success, or quantity the benefits, of this bill ? [Apart from n seats saved in any Election 🤔]
I've no idea what metrics they would use!
Similarly, have the "opposition" (and I'm not referring to Labour) produced any credible rebuttal and/or metrics about potential harm of this bill?
It’s a difficult issue for sure. But “something” isn’t the answer even if we’re not sure what actually is.
yep it ends up falling down the trap of they have to be ‘seen’ to be doing ‘something’ as opposed to actually doing something right.
In a subject where the majority(ish) of people don’t get ‘it’.
so to loop back to the OP, and i slightly apologise as this could be better placed on the other 18 page thread..
long overdue allegations (several years in the making) emerge at the same time as the (re-emergence of the) online security bill...
conspiracy or (desperate, convenient) coincidence.
genuine question - personally i say coincidence, mostly as i dont rate the ability of the government, security services and media to get together..
Irrelevant tbh.
produced any credible rebuttal and/or metrics about potential harm of this bill?
What other than maths says you can't gain access to encryption without breaking it totally for each and every use lawful and unlawful.
Register article where bill is passed but admissions of technically unfeasible from those in charge.
Earlier article stating the same
It's enlightening to read the comments too as the commentards are generally technically adept and they lay out all the wrongness in glorious sarcastic detail, with a side order of scorn.