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Right, I've decided I can go without something to eat after arriving at the office in the mornings - about 2 hrs after breakfast, and 3 and 1/2 before lunch.
Traditionally I'd eat a bacon roll (no butter). But have decided to swap that for Jordans 45% fruit meausli.
Is there any point? Is this just replacing calories from item a to item b, or is the Jordans calories significantly better for my health / waistline?
Full of sugar, stick to the bacon roll, just make sure its brown bread and trim the fat, no sauce.
stevewhyte - Member
Full of sugar, stick to the bacon roll, just make sure its brown bread and trim the fat, no sauce.
That might be tricky, from a polish cafe....
More protien I guess thouogh...
throw the bread and eat the fatty bacon. fat is good bread is not.
thats a ropey bacon roll right theyre....i remember reading a bit of the atkins diet and they suugested eating just the burger if you go to macdonalds and chuck everything else..
Why is saturated fat good for you and bread not?
Your more likely to die from eating saturated fat than bread surely
I eat around 6/8 slices of seedy granary brahn bread every day...
calories are just calories (a unit of energy, specifically 1 calorie is how much energy it takes to increase the temp of 1lt of water 1 deg). the only benefit of swapping your bacon roll for the sugar laden jordans cereal is that it has less sat fat.
why is saturated fat good for you and bread not?
highclimber - Member
calories are just calories (a unit of energy, specifically 1 calorie is how much energy it takes to increase the temp of 1lt of water 1 deg). the only benefit of swapping your bacon roll for the sugar laden jordans cereal is that it has less sat fat.
Although the sugar will turn to fat right? And it does say on the box that (of a 45g serving) 18g of the Carbs ofwhich sugars is 18g - is that 18g of Sugar and therefore fat?
18g of the Carbs ofwhich sugars is 18g - is that 18g of Sugar and therefore fat?
No...
They have different calorific values.
So, a gram(me) of X has Y calories in it
protein = 4
carb = 6
fat = 9
alcohol = 9
(IIRC)
So for every 1.5g of sugar, you'll make 1g of fat (kinda...)
DrP
Oh god it's the same old argument all over again.
Not all calories are equal.
Search youtube for a long presentation from Gary Taubs, watch it and them make your own mind up.
Or watch it here
Although the sugar will turn to fat right?
excess energy from too much sugar and too little exercise will be stored as fat.
lot of this fat is stored around the organs etc so you don't really notice it until its too late!
So thats roughly 12g of Fat from my Jordans.
How much then from my bacon rolls, bearing in mind this from Ton's article:
[i]
The Fat Paradigm, under which the human species has thrived quite effectively for two and a half million years, recognizes that human metabolism is pre-programmed by evolution to be primarily fat-based (the real preferred fuel). In other words, our genes expect us to function optimally when we consume fats and can easily access our stored fat. The Fat Paradigm acknowledges that the body is able to manufacture adequate glucose as needed. It acknowledges that most typical human movement patterns can be fueled almost entirely by fats [/i]
calories are just calories (a unit of energy, specifically 1 calorie is how much energy it takes to increase the temp of 1lt of water 1 deg). the only benefit of swapping your bacon roll for the sugar laden jordans cereal is that it has less sat fat.
Um surely the cereal has a lot more nutrients in it though?
But the roll has more bacon in it........
mmmmm.......BACON........
DrP
I think the gist of it is that there's no link betweeen fat you eat and ilness' caused by fat? The illnesses caused by fat are caused by excessive calories being stored as fat, i.e. if you eat too much of a normal diet your body will store the fat and try and burn off the carbs, if it can't burn the carbs it stores them as fat too.Your more likely to die from eating saturated fat than bread surely
e.g. BHF has removed it's 3 eggs a week guidance as there's no indication that colestrol you eat is bad for you (it actualy does some really good stuff if your a bloke, it's metabolised into testosterone, but then that kills you off anyway......).
I long ago gave up trying to understand the ins and outs of the latest thinking and just eat whatever I fancy (but try not to eat too much) and try to avoid pasta/rice/bread/potato.
good quote from somewhere says, "there are no essential carbs, but there are essential fats"Um surely the cereal has a lot more nutrients in it though?
DrP has a very good point
mmmmmmmm....BACON... 😆
Thread closed 😉
Next time you're feeling peckish on a ride, gather up some twigs and branches from beside the trail and tuck in. Full of calories, should get you fueled up nicely.calories are just calories (a unit of energy, specifically 1 calorie is how much energy it takes to increase the temp of 1lt of water 1 deg). the only benefit of swapping your bacon roll for the sugar laden jordans cereal is that it has less sat fat.
"I long ago gave up trying to understand the ins and outs of the latest thinking and just eat whatever I fancy (but try not to eat too much) and try to avoid pasta/rice/bread/potato."
Me too, but I like eating pasta, rice, bread and potato too and its not done me any harm yet.
Have a read of the 4 hour diet or 4 week diet 😕 not particularly something you can follow but very interesting and I'm only on the first chapter.
Next time you're feeling peckish on a ride, gather up some twigs and branches from beside the trail and tuck in. Full of calories, should get you fueled up nicely.
Ah, now you're on about calorie density.....
Twigs contain calories, but aren't calorie dense! By that - a mars bar will burn "better" than a twig (in scientific conditions - I'm not saying we all sing kum-by-ar around a burning Twix...)
DrP
Calories are not just calories, not at all.
Different types of calories make your body respond differently.
Hence what is known on here as the iDiet.
Me too, but I like eating pasta, rice, bread and potato too and its not done me any harm yet.
So do I, but I no longer feel guilty eating [s]spaggetti[/s] bolognese with a side of steak for example. I prefer steak to stodge.
calories are just calories (a unit of energy, specifically 1 calorie is how much energy it takes to increase the temp of 1lt of water 1 deg). the only benefit of swapping your bacon roll for the sugar laden jordans cereal is that it has less sat fat.
For the love of god....read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
[i]Calories are not just calories, not at all.
Different types of calories make your body respond differently.
Hence what is known on here as the iDiet[/i].
You know Godwins Law?
We should think of a name for this phenomenon that corresponds.....
Gutwin's Law?
Mmmmm, pasta, rice, bread....FunkyDunc - Member
Me too, but I like eating pasta, rice, bread and potato too and its not done me any harm yet.
I eat tons of the stuff, me.
Sorry, but can someone explain what is wrong with bread? Specifically I eat a reasonable amount of home made bread made with good quality wholemeal flour and not too much salt, sugar or fat
DrP - MemberBy that - a mars bar will burn "better" than a twig (in scientific conditions - I'm not saying we all sing kum-by-ar around a burning Twix...)
though pringles take a flame and burn quite happily. and quite depressingly!
molgrips - MemberCalories are not just calories, not at all.
Different types of calories make your body respond differently.
Hence what is known on here as the iDiet.
Somewhat contentions indeed. You will get a whole variety of opinions on this topic and lots of badly understood mumbojumbo. The iDave diet is plausible but far from accepted fact.
just calories
This. If you burn off the calories, the rest is just bunk.
OTOH, brown bread (rather than white) has been linked to lower incidence of colonic cancer, but that's not quite the question you were asking!
[url= http://www.life.ku.dk/English/Nyheder/2010/966_diogenes.aspx ]the world's largest diet study:[/url]
" If you want to lose weight or avoid gaining weight, you should cut down on finely refined starch calories such as white bread and white rice and instead eat a diet that is high in proteins with more lean meat, low-fat dairy products and beans."
The iDave diet is plausible but far from accepted fact
People disagree on whether or not is [i]necessary[/i], but I think anyone would agree that it would work and is healthy.
Sorry, but can someone explain what is wrong with bread?
According to many, gluten is not good for you even if you are not actually allergic or intolerant.
Funny how it has taken us several thousand years to discover that.
Yeah, it also took us quite a long time to discover that tobacco is bad for you. It's because now we are in a position to figure out why we die or feel a little bloated after a big meal etc etc.
[i]It's because now we are in a position to figure out why we die or feel a little bloated after a big meal etc etc.[/i]
That's quite a large spectrum we're figuring out molgrips....
...and although I go on about it almost as much as you go on about iDave, I still find the thought and sight of the most well fed, well supplied, well optioned, well medicined people in the whole wide world chundering on about which calories to eat or not to eat to avoid them being fat bastards to be more than a little distasteful...
Quite so crikey, but I don't see what you are getting at. Our world is unbalanced - is that your point? Cos it's a bit of an obvious one!
Or are you saying I should stop thinking about what to eat?
[i]Or are you saying I should stop thinking about what to eat? [/i]
I'm saying that perhaps you could not bring up the iDave subject at EVERY posssible opportunity. You are a grown up, you can decide what to eat all by your self.
Um. It is highly relevant to this thread, and I mentioned to provide possible further reading opportunities for the OP.
And people can only make decisions with information, can they not?
I'd have thought that any regular STW reader would already know about the iFad diet.
I'd have thought that any regular STW reader would already know about the iFad diet.
Colin, stop being a troll...
Pedant. A calorie is the energy to heat one gram (not a litre) of water by one degree.
🙄
Diet probably has more bobbins talked about and believed about relating to it that anything else bar religion.
I am not saying 1Dave is bobbins but it is not accepted mainstream thought - but it is not faddish and poor / unbalanced diet either.
Buet some of the nonsense talked about an accepted is frankly worrying.
Oh dear lord make these threads stop 🙂
Watch the tubs video and make your own minds up
...and although I go on about it almost as much as you go on about iDave, I still find the thought and sight of the most well fed, well supplied, well optioned, well medicined people in the whole wide world chundering on about which calories to eat or not to eat to avoid them being fat bastards to be more than a little distasteful...
What a bizarre thing to say. As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa. 😕
Pedant. A calorie is the energy to heat one gram (not a litre) of water by one degree.
in the context of food, it's the Kcal that is used i.e 1 kilo of water.
[i]As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa.[/i]
Which is why I didn't say it. But do carry on.
to go back to OP how about a banana or apple? or low fat / low cal yoghurt? Granary roll and low fat cheese spread?
Muesli is ok but some are full of sugar and saturated fats especially the "crunchy" ones - i don't buy Jordans so not sure
As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa.Which is why I didn't say it. But do carry on.
So what was your point again? That thinking about what you eat is morally wrong?
Glutens bad for you?
Cooked meat is as well. ****, I'm loving the uninformed opinions in this thread.
[i]So what was your point again? That thinking about what you eat is morally wrong? [/i]
I made my point further back in the thread. You appear to have a problem interpreting it, which is not my problem. 😉
I am having trouble interpreting it yup, on the face of it it seems non-sensical and ridiculous, but if you're not up for explaining....
[i]I am having trouble interpreting it yup, on the face of it it seems bizarre and ridiculous, but if you're not up for explaining....[/i]
Not to you, no.
According to many
Oh yeah, that well known source...
we are in a position to figure out why we ... feel a little bloated after a big meal etc etc.
Because we're greedy knackers who eat too much.
HTH.
I think I'm with the prophet TJ on this.
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I'm loving the uninformed opinions in this thread
Read my post again.
just eaten fried liver, mushrooms, green beans and corn on the cob.
good calories or bad calories........... 😆
I'm confused. Bacon roll or Jordan's tomorrow? Which will murder me to death quicker?
Me, I'd have the bacon roll.
I'd just like you all to know ive entertained a client whilst drinking 3 pints of Honeydew. I'm about to get a chinese takeaway on the way home.
I shall consider the advice herein and let you know what my decision was after I've settled into work with my bacon roll tomorrow.
Ps. My current thought process may be affected by mind altering substances.
If you're getting a Chinese takeaway I don't think what you have for breakfast is going to matter too much.
Mmmmm.... MSG....
Its OK, I went via an alternative route, bypassed the MSG and am sitting here eating an oaty biscuit.
[i]If you're getting a Chinese takeaway I don't think what you have for breakfast is going to matter too much.
Mmmmm.... MSG....[/i]
Which is kind of my point, grum.
I'm suggesting that in a society like ours, where we have so much choice, so many options, so much opportunity and inspiration with regard to food, where food has become so much more than a source of calories, this constant angst about what to eat is, to my mind, distasteful.
I've just been to the chip shop, so am feeling the warm glow of gravy.
this constant angst about what to eat is, to my mind, distasteful
It's not angst. At least not here. It's about science. I'm not agonising over moral choices, I just don't want to be fat.
That's surely not distasteful, is it?
I was trying to think of something that would be distasteful, but I just can't, beyond nasty jokes.
3 (obviously simplified, for the hard of thinking) options:
i. Be careful about what you eat and stay trim.
ii. Eat what you want and turn into a biffer.
iii. Eat what you want and [b]HTFU[/b] and burn it off.
Option 3 wins for me every time. Eat good food, eat crap food, drink lots of beer, vino and whisky...
Then lay down the pain on the bike. Not cake and pie between downhill pootles pain. Sweating your lungs out and don't think I'll ever move again without throwing my ring up pain.
Or moderation in all things, whatever.
Ok, maybe it's me being a knob.
I seem to be surrounded by people, not just here, but at work and on the telly who are so concerned with something that seems only to be a problem because there is too much of it.
I'll shut up.
😛
[b]ton[/b] - Member
just eaten fried liver, mushrooms, green beans and corn on the cob.good calories or bad calories...........
We had chicken, onion, courgette, sugar snap peas, mange tout, carrot, shredded cabbage, garlic, bean sprouts. Fried the chicken breast chunks, then chucked the veg in the pan in layers on top of it, sprinkled with ground cumin, coriander and paprika and drizzled some soy sauce and lemon juice on top and left it steaming while we got the kids to bed.
Hand a plateful. Absolutely lush and [i]definitely[/i] good calories 🙂
Ok, maybe it's me being a knob.
I seem to be surrounded by people, not just here, but at work and on the telly who are so concerned with something that seems only to be a problem because there is too much of it.
I'll shut up.
I still don't really get it. I mean, yes it's obscene that we have an obesity problem in the western world when millions are starving, but I really struggle with seeing how that make it distasteful to talk about healthy eating. Seems a very bizarre cognitive leap.
Today for lunch I had..
Pan fried scallops with a carrot and apply puree and pork crackling.
Fillet steak in a fancy mushroom sauce with green beans spinach and mash.
Chocolate tarte with salted caramel ice cream.
Each and every calorie was fantastic. So good I could've licked the plates.
iii. Eat what you want and HTFU and burn it off
Aarrghh.. must not bite... argh...
I've just been to the chip shop, so am feeling the warm glow of gravy
You're not supposed to roll in it...
I'd be interested in what Mick Ives eats. That's how I want to be at his age.
[i]but I really struggle with seeing how that make it distasteful to talk about healthy eating. Seems a very bizarre cognitive leap[/i]
Maybe I'm not quite getting across what I mean, and perhaps I can't. It seems strange/bizarre/discomfiting/insert unsettling word of your choice to be so obsessed/concerned/over interested/insert word of your choice meaning 'thinking lots about' the kind of food we eat when the basic problem is that we consume too much (and probably do too little although that is yet another argument).
Anyway, as I said, I'll shut up.