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Turns out there’s no evidence that the Nazis used fluoride to subdue inmates in concentration camps.
But about half the city is on some kind of Valium, so won’t this have a detrimental effect?
Fluoride in water in Scotland would save NHS a fortune, says dental expert https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61010060
Me, I think it would be more efficacious to add the fluoride to sugary foods/ drinks. Kind of a ‘night-cap’…
Just put it in the heroin, surely?
It's not like this is a new thing in the UK
Parts of the country with fluoridation schemes include Cumbria, Cheshire, Tyneside, Northumbria, Durham, Humberside, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, the West Midlands and Bedfordshire.
Kinda "meh" about the whole thing, as long as my water still tastes good
It’s not like this is a new thing in the UK
Huh, I thought they put fluoride in the water everywhere in the UK. TIL.
Just put it in the heroin, surely?
I find this kind of lazy, blanket stereotyping of a Scottish population hooked on opiates unhelpful and frankly a bit offensive.
It's a new millennium. We've got bath salts, spice and Yellow Bentines now, and some of the more forward-thinking dealers in Dundee are doing wonderful things with Clarky Cat.
Afaik, the link between fluoride and improved dental outcomes is solid.
The problem is with the delivery system.
Adding fluoride to the water supply is way too generalised.
With the sheer amount of medications that contain fluoride, one may be tempted to ask whether were getting too much.
Perhaps the question is whether we’re getting enough fluoride.
Despite any health drives, there’s still absurd amounts of sugar in food.
I recently tried some microwave porridge. Holy ****, they nearly had to peel me off of the ceiling. A dab of fluoride in the porridge might have taken the edge off of the sugar rush.
There’s only one sugar refinery in the uk? If it was mandatory for the sugar refiners to add fluoride to their product, then it would be guaranteed to reach the most vulnerable users, directly in proportion to their sugar consumption.
With the current hike in fuel prices, I’m surprised that any sugars are going towards food production.
It would be far more profitable to turn “ze sugars into alcohol” (Heineken) to power cars until they go electric.
Those sugar beet farmers could grow other crops that don’t require bee-killing pesticides (hemp) and send that crop off for conversion into bio-ethanol.
Our local water treatment plant already uses both chlorine and flourine. I'd assumed that was fairly common and would result in some flouridisation anyway (IMNAC)
I recently tried some microwave porridge. Holy ****, they nearly had to peel me off of the ceiling.
Did you get sugar flavoured stuff because the actual porridge generally doesn't have any added sugar in it.
Eg
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/285091302
https://quaker.co.uk/products/porridge/so-simple-sachets/original
It was Quaker ‘oats so simple’
Tescos cinnamon oats
And something by a company called ‘stoats’.
I’ve got a sweet tooth, but jings!
I just think that if they’re going to add fluoride to anything, then it should be added to sugar.
You’re getting the antidote to dental caries, in exact proportions to your sugar consumption. No more, no less. Simples.
cinnamon oats
Ah yeah, I'm afraid all flavoured (and a lot of not flavoured stuff like bran flakes) breakfast anything is full of sugar.
I find this incredibly disappointing as I'm rather partial to the aforementioned flakes but much sugar at all in the am leaves me hankering for more like a meth addict, all day.
I suppose the thing if there was fluoride in all UK water which is used in pretty much all UK food production you'd probably get much more on your diet than if it were in UK sugar, which is doubtless much too expensive to use in producing red bull or Mars bars. (also bear in mind there's a lot of sugar in fruit etc which you can't really fluorinate.
@dangerorbrain
Aaaah, but it’s the sugar that’s the main cause of dental caries.
Afaik, before our discovery of sugar in the 16th century, there wasn’t the scale of dental problems that we face today.
True, a sliver of pork, trapped between your teeth is going to produce a lot of bacteria (and acid), but it will be so annoying that you’ll eventually reach for the toothbrush (or a piece of twig for our pre early-historical period forebears).
No one brushes their teeth, just because they’ve swigged a can of red bull.
I don’t think that fluoride is expensive.
It’s a waste product of the aluminium industry?
They have to pay people to take it away.
Rather than adding fluoride to water at various locations around the uk, it’s simpler to add it to the sugar at the uk’s sole sugar refinery.
Then it gets delivered to red bull, mars, Cadburys, etc as per usual.
Fluoride is already in almost all water supplies to a greater or lesser extent. Some natural springs have very high ( possibly unsafe ) levels, most from the tap supplies naturally have very low levels, lower than the ideal level to influence decay rates, the Idea is to add a little to bring the level up.
Water is an ideal delivery method because it reaches the entire population with little or no account of socio economic class.
You are a little naive about how decay works, adding to sugary food would not cancel out the effect and sugar in the diet comes from natural sources also which being unprocessed food wouldn’t have fluoride added. You also wouldn’t deliver sugar effectively to very young children which is where it has the biggest effect.
Fluoride affects teeth in two ways. Very briefly & simply, teeth are made of crystals. The surface layer of crystals is constantly dissolving then reforming from component parts floating in your saliva. This system is usually in balance
When you eat sugar, the bugs in your mouth eat some too. Their “wee” ( or waste product of their metabolism ) is acidic, the acid dissolves your crystals. This tips the aforementioned balance and causes holes. Drinking lots of fizzy pop (acidic drinks) does the same. The bugs produce about the same amount of acid whether you eat a big dose of sugar or a small one so it’s the number of different times you eat/ drink counts more than the amount of sugar in each meal.
If you have a little fluoride ions in your saliva then the crystals that form are stronger and more acid resistant. Up to 50% stronger. Fluoride in water helps a little In this but actually fluoride toothpaste is much more effective at keeping some useful Fluoride ions in your saliva.
However, if you have a little fluoride in your system when the main bits of your teeth form ( i,e pre birth and in early childhood ) the whole tooth becomes a lot more decay resistant not just the top layer of crystals.
That’s why water fluoridation is much more effective than adding it to sugar. Especially since you ideally shouldn’t be feeding babies much processed sugar rich food.
Carry on.
Our local water treatment plant already uses both chlorine and flourine. I’d assumed that was fairly common and would result in some flouridisation anyway (IMNAC)
This is one area where I can categorically state you are mistaken. There is no fluoride added - at all - in any water treatment plant in Scotland. There may be trace fluoride in the raw water used from source, but there is none added.
https://dwqr.scot/public-water-supply/drinking-water-quality-faqs/fluoride/
uk’s sole sugar refinery.
There's more than one; Tate and Lyle still operate from Silvertown and British Sugar have at least three refineries that I know of.
FYI optimal level of fluoridation for decay prevention is between 0.7 and 1 part per million (ppm)
Post code Areas of the UK with Naturally-Fluoridated Water at more than 0.5 ppm:
Durham: DH1, 2, part of 6
Essex: CO1-6, 8-10
Lincolnshire: Part of LN13
Peterborough: PE2, 4
Suffolk: IP1-8, 13, 14, 28 to 30, 33
Teesside: TS27, 28
Tyneside: NE25, 26, 29; part of NE30
Post code Areas with Artificially Fluoridated Drinking Water (added by water supplier) to suggested levels
Berkshire: RG1, 4-6, 40, 41
Birmingham: B6-11, 13-21, 23-34, 37, 40, 42, 45, 60-62, 65-71; parts of Central Birmingham and B36, 38, 43, 44, 46, 47, 63, 64, 90, 92, 97
Buckinghamshire: Parts of SG18, 19
Chelmsford: CM1
Coventry: CV1-6, 10, 11; parts of CV 7-9, 12, 13
Crewe: Parts of CW1, 2, 5-7, 12, 17
Cumbria: CA24, 25, 27, 28
Dartford: DA1
Derby: DE13-15
Doncaster: DN15, 16, 18-21, 38-40; parts of DN9, 10, 17, 22, 31, 37
Dudley: Parts of DY9, 10
Durham: DH2, 7-9; parts of DH15
Lancaster: Parts of LA19
Leicestershire: Parts of LE10, and 18
Lincolnshire: Ln1, 2, 4-7
Milton Keynes: MK17, 43-46
Nottinghamshire: NG18-20; parts of NG17, 21-24, 31, 32, 34
Oxfordshire: Part of OX9
Sheffield: Parts of S80
Shrewsbury: Parts of SY13, 14
Stoke: Parts of ST7, 8
Tonbridge: TN26
Tyneside: NE1 to 6, 8, 12, 15-18, 21, 23, 25-27, 39, 42, 43, 45, 46; parts of NE9-11, 13, 19, 20, 24, 28, 44, 46-48, 65
Walsall
Wolverhampton: WV2, 3, 13, 14; parts of WV6-8
Worcestershire: Part of WR7, 9-11
Source National Pure Water Association
i.e quite a small percentage of the UK
We also import about 1/3rd of our total refined sugar use. So even if you added it to all the UK refined sugar you'd still not have very good coverage.