[Closed] Get your dancing on grave boots ready

Back in the day of the nationalised industries, they basically didn't give a damn about those poor saps who were paying the bills.

After all, why should they? They had a monopoly - so you had to go to them, and if they screwed up even that, the taxpayer would bail them out.

Nowadays the privatised industries don't give a damn about those poor saps who are paying the bills...you know the rest.

if you loose your temper, you've lost the argument

We would have been saddled with the poll tax if it wasn't for that riot. It also marked the end of Thatcher. The moral high ground is only for those who can afford to be there.

You realise that when she does we will have to pay for a 24 hour, 365 days a year guard for her tomb?

For two reasons, one, to protect it from dancers and streams of wee, and two, to make sure she stays in it...

MrNutt - Member
say what you like about the [s]iron[/s] evil lady but she did great things for the financial industry with her "light touch" approach,(which we are paying for now)

wonderful things for 20 state controlled utilities such as BT, British Gas etc,(sold them all off piecemeal),

brilliant things for council housing,(sold them to closet conservative voters who thought they where home owners, then they found out the cost of repairs and maintance that they had done for free)

inspirational things to community taxation,

brought Britain back to the forefront of international manufacturing (after closing down the mines, the steel industry, the car industry and the railway workshops)

and showed us all that unemployment was just down to people being to lazy or too busy moaning to go out and get work...(then we discovered Singletrack forum while at work)

...oh, hang on

Posted 47 minutes ago # Report-Post

There sorted it for you.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

hadn't realised that the majority of STW looked like this

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hadn't realised that the majority of STW looked like this

That's on a good day.

"Chicken-shit poltroon" is a favourite of mine.

would you like rice or chips with that sir?

Was it not Enoch Powell who came up with the singular truism that all political careers are doomed to end in failure. Having lived through the Thatcher era, I can't say that what she did was any better or worse than any other politician. Labour took us into Iraq and deregulated bank controls which helped contribute to our current mess, is that any worse than what Thatcher did? In Glasgow, the ship building industry that once led the world is now a shadow of what it was. Other economies caught up and the unions never saw it coming save for the likes of Jimmy Reid who had the savvy to see where the industry was headed. Thatcher is an easy target to lay all our woes at of the time. However, to wish I'll upon her? Nah, life is too short to waste time on that. Better to learn from her mistakes and look forward. As a kid , I hated everything she stood for yet when I saw her in the flesh, she stopped being the monster I had created in my mind but a little old lady with an odd hand bag and ugly shoes.

Cheers

Sanny

[i]a little old lady with an odd hand bag and ugly shoes[/i]

Sanny = Gok Kwan....

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Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains

Just curious like ... who on here was an adult when Margaret Thatcher came to power?

You're asking about age rather than behaviour, right?

Just wondering who remembers the strikes, 3 day week, rubbish collections building up etc etc.

Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher, LG, OM, PC, FRS (née Roberts; born 13 October 1925) served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990

Straight from wiki.

I wasn't even born when she was PM.

i was 13 cg.

I was 6

I was 5, left school just in time for her fxxking recession to screw up my entry into the world of employment. 🙁

cg, i remember me and my dad being out of work at the same time in 1984.
with him being a miner and me being a coal merchant, no coal was allowed out of the yards.
like i said earlier i managed to get a job, but my wage went to my mum to run a house with 4 people to feed.
i do remeber being a very angry skint young man.

I was 5, left school just in time for her fxxking recession to screw up my entry into the world of employment

but looking on the bright side.. it was also the perfect time to appreciate the explosion of the rave scene and general air of rebellion.. and if you were wise and decided to live according to her philosophy you could make a killing selling drugs.. and psychedelic print clothing..

unfortunately I was just one of the nobs who spent my dole cheque on such luxuries...

cinnamon_girl - Member

Just curious like ... who on here was an adult when Margaret Thatcher came to power?

Just wondering who remembers the strikes, 3 day week, rubbish collections building up etc etc.

Well I certainly remember that there was no 3 day week or rubbish collections building up when Margaret Thatcher came to power.

What can you remember C_G ?

I was 16, I seem to remember it just heralded a different kind of crap from the previous crap. But I was 16, a seething gangly flesh bag of hormones and not really paying that much attention to anything I couldn't eat,drink or have sex with.

13 in 1979 and vividly remember the miners' strikes. I remember having milk at school too. 😆

I was old enough to remember my Dad losing his job and going away for months on end to work on the Scottish isles to keep food on our table. Old enough to remember drawing pictures to post him. I will never forget those dark days and I consider my family members some of the more fortunate ones in those times.

I was 8 in 79 and can remember as a kid watching the rubbish pile up and watching green goddess's put out fires befor she came in to power. British Leyland and miner strikes dominating the news followed by months of the Falklands. Wasn't much fun for me as my parents suffered greatly through continous bouts of unemployment, as I entered the workplace in 88 things had improved at home only slightly but not much for the people around me at work or neighbours.
If she goes, she goe,s won't be missed by many people but there are plenty to replace her in terms of reprehensible politicians who can see no further than the end of there bank balances

As a result of this thread I will be going to buy some beers tomorrow to celebrate the hopefully iminent demise of Mrs Thatcher.

Oh and surf matt - why you felt to need the death of your baby is beyond me

Plum

"those with the broadest shoulders" does not appear to be the people with the most money, many of whom created this mess. Who would have guessed that from a Tory government?

I think we'll look on Thatcher favourably by the time this lot have finished

[i]"those with the broadest shoulders" does not appear to be the people with the most money, many of whom created this mess. Who would have guessed that from a Tory government?

I think we'll look on Thatcher favourably by the time this lot have finished [/i]

+1

2.5bn from children
2.4bn tax on the bankers
same old torries

I had milk at school, but all that stopped

how are your bones and teeth now Nutt?

ugly and ruined, the bitch!

dont know if this has been posted yet (not checking), but this site always makes me laugh.

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

dont know if this has been posted yet (not checking), but this site always makes me laugh.

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

how are your bones and teeth now Nutt?

Rickets has been on the increase for many years in Britain now. But I do remember someone talking about "returning to Victorian values"........it was Thatcher actually.

ha! she had bigger balls than you lot of nancies, thats for sure!

I was 17 and remember being worried first of all about the rising price of beer,2nd I didnt have a girl maybe I should post that on another thread :-)struggled through college then 2 years on the bru miners strike etc things looked bad then and they look bad now. When she does go I wont be mourning

I was 20 in 79

No politician is perfect, but as Tony Benn said you knew where you stood with her. On the point of unemployment, industries like coal were no longer viable, she didn't waste money trying to subsidise them and although bitter at the time, countries that did try to keep loss making industries going like France & Germany are now paying for it with huge unemployment now.

She stood firm against the IRA and reacted with an incredibly cool head in the Brighton bombings.

She took on Argentina and won.

She revolutionised higher education.

Her government turned around an uncompetitive, union-dominated economy into a powerhouse that set a lot of precedents for the world to follow.

She inspired (some of) a generation to believe that hard work pays off.

She was a genuinely well respected leader the World over.

Do people not understand that the coal industry was NO LONGER VIABLE? Why prop it up?

+1.

Standing up to the unions was probably most important thing she did. The strikes and effect on output convinced Thatcher the problem was supply side - she moved away from demand management economics, focusing on monetarism and supply side reform .

Whatever you think look at our GDP growth from 79' to now and compare to other countries. Thatcher laid most of the ground work for that.

Rickets has been on the increase for many years in Britain now.

That's lack of vitamin D, which can be fixed with sunshine.

Too many people sat indoors furiously posting to STW...

she moved away from demand management economics, focusing on monetarism and supply side reform .

Monetarism pretty much a dead duck now.

Monetarism pretty much a dead duck now.

We're still controlling the money supply to maintain an inflation target.

I was born in 1979.

luked2 - Member

Rickets has been on the increase for many years in Britain now.

[b][i]That's lack of vitamin D, which can be fixed with sunshine.

Too many people sat indoors furiously posting to STW... [/i][/b]

So it can be "fixed with sunshine" ......and ?? ..... what's your point ?

Did I say that couldn't be ?

Maybe you should stop and think before sitting there furiously posting to STW ..... eh ?

ha! she ha[s]d[/s]s bigger balls than you lot of nancies, thats for sure!

+1

Socialism = a truly chronic British disease!

Lefties = miserable, self serving, shortsighted, financially irresonsible niaive fools!

"Thatch" is a legend!

Greatest PM of our generation, by a country mile!

Whatever you think look at our GDP growth from 79' to now and compare to other countries

I sure ain't no feminist but you will never ever see a Prime Minister with bigger balls than Margaret Thatcher.

Standing up to the unions was probably most important thing she did

+ 1.

crikey - Member
You realise that when she does we will have to pay for a 24 hour, 365 days a year guard for her tomb?

For two reasons, one, to protect it from dancers and streams of wee, and two, to make sure she stays in it...

cinnamon_girl - Member

Just wondering who remembers the strikes, 3 day week, rubbish collections building up etc etc.

Yeah cinnamony, they are either too young, or too wrapped up in their socialist ideology!

Spongebob - yeah, was just trying to flush 'em out. 😀

My memory may not be what it was but, c'mon on, there's a load of tosh being spouted on this thread.

The title of this thread is quite nasty.

Whatever you think look at our GDP growth from 79' to now and compare to other countries

I did what you suggested and found this :

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[img] http://wallstreetpit.com/26726-britain-enjoyed-higher-gdp-growth-post-thatcher [/img]

It would appear that GDP growth increased at a [i]lower rate[/i] compared to similar countries under Thatcher.

GDP growth in the UK increased at a higher rate compared to other countries after Thatcher was gone.

My memory may not be what it was

Is that why you think the 3 day week was in 1979 ?

The numbers don't lie ernie. Th thatcher years were an economic disaster. Not only was growth lower here than in other countries and our recession deeper and longer but we had north sea oli. What a waste that was. The oil should have meant we had huge money to spend on infrastructure. Instead it was wasted paying benefits for people who could have been working

Remember - tory governments give you higher inflation, lower growth and higher unemployment tha labour ones. this conmdem alliance is going to do the same. Todays spending cuts = a million more unemployed.

looks to me like it only increased once labour came topower - perhaps the miminimum wage that did it ?
C-g I dont think anyone is trying to claim that everything she did was wrong or evil.YShe was a very divisive figure and decimated large swathes of the country that still bear the scars today.I was 9 when she cam to power and do remember the strikes of 83 onwards.
Thatcher was no feminist either hardly any females in the cabinet and none at the end iirc. Respecting her for being a strong woman is like a man respecting Stalin because he was strong or Mussolini for getting the trains to run on time. It in no way ofsets the damage she/they did.One nation disraelli Tories [wets she called them] are ok [relatively]IMHO rabid right wingers are just heartless lovers of money and their self interest rather than the common good.

Thatcher put a lot of people out of work, and replaced these jobs with.... er nothing, no suitable replacement industries to provide growth and long term investment

Labour put all these people back into public service jobs (not the best idea but better than the dole)

the tories are now ditching all these public service jobs and replacing them with.... er.....

can anyone see a pattern forming ???? Not only did Thatcher make some huge mistakes but the idiots who are now in charge are looking to her politics as some kind of answer

I sure ain't no feminist but you will never ever see a Prime Minister with bigger balls than Margaret Thatcher.

Great.

So it can be "fixed with sunshine" ......and ?? ..... what's your point ?

Did I say that couldn't be ?

Maybe you should stop and think before sitting there furiously posting to STW ..... eh ?

Here you go Ernie! Just for you!

"Computer-obsessed children who spend too long indoors and over-anxious parents who slap on excessive sunscreen are contributing to a sharp rise in cases of the bone disease rickets, doctors are warning."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/21/rickets-increase-milk-supplement

The title of this thread is quite nasty.

EXACTLY!

Seems like graciousness and dignity eludes these socialists!

Wishing someone dead is pure miserable nasty hatred. Shame on the OP and it's supporters! (the description "it" is befitting of such low life).

This is a classic case of people showing their true colours!

This attitude is totally contradictory to the values of socialism and is indicative of the control freak tendencies of your typical lefty!

I wouldn't wish death on my worst enemy, let alone a politician.

Sad ****ers!

t would appear that GDP growth increased at a lower rate compared to similar countries under Thatcher.

GDP growth in the UK increased at a higher rate compared to other countries after Thatcher was gone.

Ernie, if UK is the blue line, it's [b]rate[/b] of growth looks higher in the Thatcher years......

Unless the Y axis is actually Rate of Growth itself of course!!

As far as dancing on graves etc, I've never heard of something so ridiculous, especially to someone who benefited the nation as a whole. I wouldn't even consider dancing on Tony's or Gordon's grave, despite them being the worst combo in living memory.

Here you go Ernie! Just for you!

Thank you luked2, I notice your link suggests a solution for rickets via milk.

Here's another :

[url= http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2008/1/drink-your-milk-the-return-of-rickets-other-vitamin-d-deficiencies ]Drink Your Milk! (The Return of Rickets & Other Vitamin D Deficiencies)[/url]

ernie, maybe take italy out of the graph? it's one of the PIGS countries, not comparable to the UK in terms of industry

cinnamon_girl - Member

Just curious like ... who on here was an adult when Margaret Thatcher came to power?

Me I was 18. I remember the summer of 77. I went to the job centre and got a job - they had loads to offer. |I went to a local hospital to ask for a job. Welcomed with open arms.

in 1980 I tried again. No jobs in the job centre and the hospital had a waiting list of hundreds for jobs

I remember her and the damage she did. I remember watching vast swathes of the country loosing Their jobs. I remember HER flogging the family silver for pennies to pay the milkman, I remember double digit inflation along with falling growth.

She was an utter disaster as a pm Destroying entire industries for political dogma, doing huge damage to the social fabric of the country and worst of all wasting the north sea oil money on paying benefits and giving tax cuts to the rich.

I wouldn't wish death on my worst enemy, let alone a politician :-)spongebob your going all touchy feely and sensitive on us

Spongebob It adds more joy to know you will be upset on that day 😉

Spongebob - Member

The title of this thread is quite nasty.

[b]EXACTLY!

Seems like graciousness and dignity eludes these socialists![/b]

I think you'll find that Aracer isn't a socialist. In fact he has claimed on here, that he voted Tory in the May general election. I also believe that he might be a bit of a fan of Mrs T.

I took the thread title as being tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously not all Tories share the same sense of humour.

Just wondering who remembers the strikes, 3 day week, rubbish collections building up etc etc.

3 day week was during the Heath government and the first miners strike. The rest was the winter of discontent in 1979 during the Callaghan government, and was a particularly dire time - that was when the rubbish collected in the streets and the morgues filled up.

After the Vietnam war the communist Khmer Rouge lifted there heads up and looked around. They were penniless and in a country bombed to sh1t. What they saw was something worse. Cambodia. The people there had been subjected to the tyranny of a marxist dictator and were being murdered in their millions.
So they did what no other civilised wealthy nation could be bothered to do. They went into Cambodia, defeated Pol Pot and his troops driving them back into impenetrable jungle.
How did Mrs Thatcher react to this defeat of the most evil man alive during my life time?
Well, she assisted her pal Ronnie Reagan in fighting the commies. They funded and gave arms to Pol Pot.
She gave arms to Pol Pot.
Mrs Thatcher gave arms to Pol Pot.
Luckily, mainly for the survivors of Pol Pot's purges it was to no avail. The communist Vietnamese kept him in place then once everything was under control, left.

Now, my grandfather and my great grandfather were miners in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire and I grew up through the devastation caused but there are some things that should not be forgotten and forgiven.
Perhaps some of the Thatcher apologists on here can explain her rational here to me.

But when she does finally pass away of natural causes after a long life, I shall pause, take time out to remember 4 million that didn't.
Then I shall party like a b@st@rd.
All are welcome to join me, those who normally occupy the expensive seats can even come along and rattle your jewellery in time to the music and dancing. I will even buy a drink in the name of inclusion.

did she also help Regan/CIA flood South Central/Compton with crack to help fund the Contras? or did I dream that?

she also supported racist SA apartheid - opposed sanctions on them- vetoing UN resolutions- and despised the ANC as terrorists and marxists*.She hated nelson Mandela yes the noble peace prize winning man whilst befriending pinochet and polpot

* cameron apologised for this and called it wrong iirc when he met Mandela..just googled it this led her then press secretary Bernard ingham to question whether cameron was actually a conservative
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-413569.html

the winter of discontent in 1979 during the Callaghan government, and was a particularly dire time - that was when the rubbish collected in the streets

The longest any refuse collectors went on strike was 4 weeks. Many councils now collect every 2 weeks, so 4 weeks is hardly the end of the world. It didn't cause me any hardship or any inconvenience whatsoever. Government policy 1979-97 certainly did. And the strike was fully resolved long before the general election - so it had nothing to do with Thatcher.

And the refuse collectors had a perfectly legitimate case for strike action btw, not that anybody seems to be bothered by that.

I took the thread title as being tongue-in-cheek.

did she also help Regan/CIA flood South Central/Compton with crack to help fund the Contras? or did I dream that?

I think the Yanks funded the Contras on their own - with money they made from selling arms to Iran.
During the Iraq-Iran war the Yanks were supplying arms to both sides.

Don't think Thatcher needed to be involved, although I'm sure she would have approved - she was after all best buddies with Reagan.

congress blocked the funding, initially from arms sales to Iran, in 82, so the CIA allowed the contras to flood south central with crack as their little fund raiser, using crips and bloods as distributors

i bet it was maggie who suggested it. i recall reading somewhere about her support for it at the very least

Many councils now collect every 2 weeks, so 4 weeks is hardly the end of the world.

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Rio that looks like a pile of rubbish and a woman walking past carrying an umbrella to me.

What does it look like to you .............the end of the world ?

No, it's a picture of the rubbish during the binmens strike. If that's what the 2 weekly collections look like round your way then I guess the cuts have come early for you.

Edit: having just watched The Road on DVD I think maybe it does look a bit like the end of the world.

We still have weekly collections. That big pile of rubbish just looks like there's been a strike on. And so there was - for 4 weeks. It wasn't a permanent thing.

But what's you point......you're challenging my claim that it wasn't the end of the world ?

My original point was that the winter of discontent was a particularly grim time, which you seem to be challenging. Remember, it was this mess that caused the Callaghan minority government to collapse and led to the subsequent conservative victory.

I don't think a 4 week strike by bin men constitutes a "particularly grim time".

I think its fair to say that the Thatcher created recessions and over 3 million unemployed was a particularly grim time though.

Last year Leeds refuse collectors were on strike for 3 months........how would describe that - worst that living homeless in war-torn Baghdad ?

The bin men's strikes were just one visible part of the winter of discontent as I'm sure you know.

If it weren't time for me to go to bed I'd stay and argue a bit more but life is too short.

Apparently the Royal Navy have been put on alert and are practicing for her funeral at the moment.

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[b]Dance away mother****ers![/b]

The bin men's strikes were just one visible part of the winter of discontent as I'm sure you know.

Yeah, for a period of a few weeks there were quite a lot of people taking industrial action. But it was all completely resolved before Thatcher became PM - she had nothing to do with resolving the dispute. And none of it caused anyone I know any hardship.

However within a couple of years Thatcher had created an extra 1.5 million unemployed people. That caused [b][i]real hardship[/i][/b].... and it was not for just a few weeks. She scrapped all incomes policies and reduced pay (and strikes) by creating the highest levels of unemployment since the Great Depression.

Funny how 1.5 million on strike would have been considered an absolutely intolerable disaster for Britain, but an extra 1.5 million people sitting at home doing bugger all was absolutely fine and tickety-boo.