[Closed] Get ready; it's a RudeBoy rant.....

Duzznt matter...

You must be a bit miffed about that.

aye fred, you're right - the poll tax was a better option !

I'm scared....

...of Rudeboy's ignorance of the joint and several basis of Council Tax liability!

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Bit lacking in the CAPS department in my opinion. To be a proper RANT

who wudduv thought it

Had the same issue but had receipts of bills before I left to cover my butt.

Land lady tried to keep my deposit till I emailed her receipts of everything I payed and it was the 'girls' who didn't pay nowt.

Sorted.

I sugges t you ring the council to explain.

It would never have happened with a Poll Tax....

If you lived in a shared house, with an individual tenancy agreement for a room, with shared communal facilities, then the landlord's liable, not you.

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If the other 2 aren't worth chasing - they'll come after you
You are liable for the whole debt - regardless of any agreement you had with the others - & so are the other 2

My advice would be to claim the other 2 lived there but you didn't, you just visited & you were in fact the French diplomats gay lover

This lass...I got her a place on a local college course, we helped with her CVs and stuff, I built up a nice little bike for her, I recovered her bike when it had been stolen, cooked for her, looked after her when she was ill, all sorts.

Admit it, you were trying to get a shag. You weren't trying to help her for any altruistic reasons.

And the CT system is flawed, in this kind of situation. Should be per individual, unless you are a 'family'.

Goes against your ideology that (wasn't the Poll Tax a bad Thatcherist idea?).

If there had been no notification about the outstanding debt, then the debt collectors have been wheeled in without any warning, i'd say you have a case against your old council to get bailiff's fees waived. Oh, sorry, that would be in a fair society, something that the so called "peoples' party" have eroded. Good old Labour!

Glad your feeling better.

surely if your name isn't on the bill you don't have to pay?

Send it to any MP you like and tell the council they were using it as a second home at the time.

You really gots to chill.

sorry mate but you're done for. Bite down and take it.

My wife had exactly the same when she was ripped off by a housemate before we met. Except she didn't believe they could do it right up to the point where they got a CCJ against her for recovery of the costs. She ended up with the bill AND a completely ****ed over credit rating, which left her unable to get a credit card, our mortgage was refused until I put it through in my name only and we still bank separately so I'm not quite as tarnished by it.

Unjust - sure. Legal? Absolutely.

Rudeboy - did you post here for sympathy or to cheer us all up?

I think this is a very good ratn, considering how under the weather you have been. Like all the best rants, it is wrong, senseless and ill-directed. Good use of pictures too.

Did you deliberately craft it so the answer would be "poll tax", or is that a happy accident?

Admit it, you were trying to get a shag. You weren't trying to help her for any altruistic reasons.

Please, i'm not Hora. TBH, we actually did have quite a happy household. Which makes it all the more surprising that she's done this.

The bailiff's being a C. Just rung him to inform him that I've now made an arrangement with the council tax recovery dept, who are saying that they will remove the bailiff's fees as I've only just been notified of this debt, and therefore have been given no chance to pay it, and he's still getting all arsey. Tosser.

he's still getting all arsey. Tosser

he's gotta earn a living somehow

Socialism in action. You can afford so you must pay. Remember it's not your money, you just get to earn it until the state wants it. Perhaps now you'll keep your liberal ideals till after youve "had" the house mate.

Tough one though.

you really have to get things in writing - phoning people means sh1t all when it comes down to it...

Not poll tax. The Community charge was unfair, as it charged per head, regardless of how many people lived at a property. And they were bloody steep, too, in all but Tory boroughs...

No, same system, but with protection for individuals who are merely sharing, rather than living as a family unit. IE; if there's 4 people, then the total amount is divided by 4. Each person pays a quarter, and if one defaults and absconds, the remainder is not charged to the other poor sods. Do you know how much CT fraud is going on?

It's a conspiracy is not it.........

Why shouldn't it be? Have their bins not been emptied? Where is the logic in a charge based on the value of the property which is divided between the occupants? Bonkers.

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics. It's all "justice for brarn people", "kill Stoner and take his money" "in the perfect republic I wouldn't have to pay Council Tax". 😀

he's gotta earn a living somehow

Well, he won't be getting owt from this job! Bailiff's have failed to inform me previously, yet have had my addy for over a year. They've just waited for their charges to ramp up. The CT people won't be paying them on my account.

Be funny if they do turn up! I'll just sit indoors, with me music turned up. Maybe sit on the balcony. If I need to nip out, I can always go through next door's! 😀

Bailiff's can be utter Cs. They have no meaningful legal training, and are often ignorant of the Law. As in this case; I've tried to save this bloke a wasted journey (from Leicester!), but he's being all 'hardman' about it.

I've spoken to a solicitor, who says I have nothing to worry about, as the agreement I've made with the Council nullifies any Bailiff action. Aside from the issue of them not giving me adequate prior warning or opportunity to pay.

 

Where is the logic in a charge based on the value of the property which is divided between the occupants?

Did you not read my bit propply?

In situations where the members of a household are neither related to or in any direct relationship with any of the others, why should they be liable for someone else's debt? So, buy a pint, but the bloke in front of you buggers off without paying for his. You think it's right to pay for his pint too?

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics. It's all "justice for brarn people", "kill Stoner and take his money" "in the perfect republic I wouldn't have to pay Council Tax"

Poor, BD. What's my being 'brahyn' got to do with anything?

People should pay their fair share. I did, yet I'm now having to pay for someone else's, who is actually now breaking the Law.

Do you know how much CT fraud is going on?

You can help reduce this by paying the money your housemates are due 😀 You'll be doing society a favour and get to feel all good about yourself.

BigDummy - Member

I do admire the transparent self-interest of your politics.

I LOLLED at that, wuzznt it?

Yes, I read your bit properly. The basis of the charge is currently stupid. You are proposing making it stupider. You kicked up a fuss when fatcha tried to make it rational.

In your analogy, you and mate approach the bar, the bartender says, "what will it be gents" You say "a WKD Blue please, with a little paper umbrella in it" , and your mate says "A bacardi and coke" to the barman and "get this for me, I'm going to the loo" to you and sneaks out of the pub. The barman charges you for a WKD blue and bacardi and coke. You ordered it, you pay for it. He doesn't care how you sort it out between yourselves.

Justice for brahyn people was the key policy of the Rude Manifesto which you published before the yerpean electonions. It dovetails nicely with your belief that if something affects you and you don't like it then it offends against natural justice. Which appears to be the point of this rant. 🙂

whats this RB's utopia (aka Landarn) isn't all its cracked upt to be, or even taxed fairly?

whatever next?

:p

Not poll tax. The Community charge was unfair, as it charged per head, regardless of how many people lived at a property.

Come again? Surely a per charge head is precisely related to how many people live at a property?

good rant, but there's no such thing as "not liable" unless all housemates meet the criteria. I had to take a substantial bank loan to pay the council tax when I found that 6 students and one ambulance driver gets you 25% off nut nothing else. worse thing was finding out a few years later that due to low income i didn't have to pay either, but you can't back date these things!

we are some what amused.

dammit, atlaz beat me to that one...

plus surely OP loses points for his rant based on posting links that actually work - link FAIL would have added drama points.

Rudeboy on supporting LBS

Might sound bang out of order, but I will try on clothing/footware in shops, to get the correct size, then buy online, if cheaper. Sorry, but it's simple economics, I'm afraid. I'll go where it's cheaper, and save my moneys. I can't be losing sleep over the loss to the LBS. Capitalism, right? Survival of the fittest and all that? If the LBS can't offer the same low price as online, then they lose my custom.

What goes around comes around, the Germans have a word for it....

Bend over Sugartits......

I just feel really sorry for you, mate. Honest. It takes a lot to really get my sympathy, but this sorta thing makes my blood boil, really it does. Livin' there in the great cosmupolitan city like you do and bigging it up to all and sundry, they should like be paying you to live there and not the other way round. Wussnit you as fought London's corner against them ignorant norverners? Wuzzn't it you as put the the 'dun' in Lundun? It's a freakin' disgrace and no mistake. As fer yer housemates, well, I knows you aint a violent type though you are a vicious little bastard by your own admission, I says shop 'em to the Babylonians. Why do you refer to yerself in the third person by the way, is you Kevin Keegan in disguise?

Is "bend over Sugartits" really a german word? 😯

epic tag win

"Schadenfreude - largely unanticipated delight in the suffering of another which is cognized as trivial and/or appropriate"

Oh dear. It appears the heat is affecting people's ability to think propply (even mine, but I'm ill).

BigDummy; you post lots of words, but you don't really say much, do you? Careful; one day, you might actually express your own independent onion...

Your analogy refers to something you might do through choice; CT is something you have no choice over.

Justice for brahyn people was the key policy of the Rude Manifesto

You are being particularly dense today, arent you? The Rudifesto calls for equality for people of [i]all[/i] colours, races, creeds, etc. [i]Not[/i] exclusive to brahyn people.

Right. For the hard of thinking:

4 people live in a house. The council tax is say £1000 per year. Ok so.

With things being equal, and all tenants being equally liable, this would work out as £250 a year each, right? I mean, i know they are jointly liable, and they could, if they wanted, sort out a different amount per person, but split 4 ways would seem fair, no?

Ok. So, Imagine 2 of those people are exempt, due to being a student, or working for the French Embassy (Embassy staff are exempt from paying taxes in the UK, apparently). This now means the £1000 is payable by only 2 people, say £500 each. Hmm. So, the student and the French Embassy (note, [u]French[/u] Embassy, people...) worker get their bins emptied for free, or rather, are being subsidised by the other two who are fully liable.

Now if these 4 people were a family, this would surely be an acceptable situation. But, as these particular 4 people in question have no links between each other, does it not now seem a little unfair that 2 are paying for 4? And what if a 3rd person decided to become a student? That would leave the 4th person paying £750 a year (single person's allowance)!

What I am suggesting, is a provision for such circumstances.

IE; if a house is occupied by people with no family link to one another, then each person should pay only their 'share'.

Council tax is worked out on the basis that it's one charge per household, based on the value of the house. This means that the two of us were paying more, than if we were sharing a 2 bedroom place.

Still with me?

In large cities, it makes economic sense for people to share, speshly if they are of low income.

The current system makes paying Council Tax a struggle for many low-paid people, and places a greater financial burden upon them. And what do people do, when hey are palced under stressful financial burdens? That's right; they tend o entertain thoughts of fiddling the system.

I've seen places where there's only one person on the CT liability form, yet there are several living there, who are eligible to pay. And they one person is a student...

Starting to make sense, now?

I would be inertested to hear arguments against my proposal. Personally, although I am not claiming it to be perfect, I do believe it would be fairer on the individual than the current system.

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Since you were never personally served papers for the hearing/judgement on the claim - then you may well be able to get the judgement set aside for a rehearing - you might still have to pay but it should clear the bailiff fees.

Time for a trip to the CAB!

Living in a house with students and diplomats was something you had no choice over? That was bad luck, sugartits.

There is nothing particualrly rational about the current system, but it is fairly straightforward. The whole problem could have been avoided by you paying the tax that you were jointly liable for, and then recovering your flatmate's share from her yourself. Or, we could have a per capita charge levied on everyone which every individual was personally liable to pay. 🙂

mcboo - Member
Rudeboy on supporting LBS

What's that got to do with this? FAIL.

All right; forget it's RudeBoy. Imagine you are in this position.

There, easy to laugh at others, eh?

Oh, and the bailiff's are out of the equation. They haddunt given me any prior notice, or reasonable opportunity to pay.

And there may be shortly a warrant issued for the arrest of the my old flatmate!

The agreement between us, to pay our equal share that we were liable for, is also legally binding. I've been told I have a good claim against the cow.

If we can find her...

I had loads of sympathy for you until I saw all the stupid pictures you were posting. Then I thought you just came over as a bit of an idiot and so I chuckled at your downfall.

No hard feelings or anything.

Your beef isn't with the system, your beef is with the Spanish girl who left you in this mess. It's not the councils fault that you lot didn't sort this out properly when you all lived together.

Living in a house with students and diplomats was something you had no choice over? That was bad luck, sugartits

One became a student after I'd moved in, and the Embassy worker moved in after me. Oh, and the layndlord selected who moved in, anyway. So no, I had no choice over that.

Indeed. You have a claim against her and owe the council.

You use a lot of words but know very little, don't you. Careful, or one day you might write a fact first time around. 😉

Should be per individual

That's what Maggie said.

Don't mean to kick him when he's down, but this is the bloke who starts a [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/heating-has-to-stay-on-im-sorry-its-too-cold-what-about-yours ]thread moaning about the cold[/url], then a month or so later starts [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stiff-drink-needed-please-latest-fuel-bills-just-arrived-am-i-paying-too-much ]another one moaning about his heating bill[/url]. Really, sometimes "serves you right" is the only logical response. 🙄

Your beef isn't with the system, your beef is with the Spanish girl who left you in this mess.

It's with both. If the system was in the form I propose, then I woon't be in this mess.

I have her addy in Spain. and my tentacles reach into the furthest flung corners of the Globe...

With a warrant for her arrest issued, if she is abroad, she won't be able to enter the UK without being arrested. 😀

S'a bit 'ot, innit?

Anyone want an ice-lolly?

I do find RB's insistance that race be brought into his law breaking. Why keep mentioning that someone was French? Very poor from form for a man of the people.

For what is a warrant for her arrest being issued, out of genuine curiosity?

Now the spanish lass is a cow. Not what I'd expect from a man with ideas to rule the world (fairly).

That's what Maggie said.

No; the Community Charge was the same per person. If you bothered to read owt propply, you'd see I'm suggesting an individual amount payable according to how many lived at an address.

EG; £1000/4 = £250 each. £1000/5= £200 each. Geddit?

Thatcher: £250 per head; so: 4 people = £1000. 5 people = £1250. Etc.

It is a thankless task, to try and bring light to those in darkness, but a sacrifice I feel it is my duty to make...

For what is a warrant for her arrest being issued, out of genuine curiosity?

Er, you're the lawyer, allegedly! 😉

(It's not for the illegal cultivation of Brussel Sprouts on a motorway verge; or possession of a book on Byzantine art with intent to Tuesday, in case you were thinking along those lines)

Lefty turns Tory when faced with bill. Who'd have thought it ?

They all turn Right in the end. It's when the common sense kicks in.

The Lady this afternoon ( with her good arm ):

Rude, ahh ahh, ahhh Boy, www, aaahhh, waaants, aaahh , aaghhhh, Poll, aahh ahhhhh Taaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhhhx.

"Oh, now I feel a little bit dirty".

Brilliant thread.

You'd think he'd give up but he never does.

Lefty turns Tory when faced with bill. Who'd have thought it ?

Where?

Sorry, I thought the Tory Tax was about screwing as much money out of people as possible. I'm on about individuals paying their fair share.

Task for you all!

Go and have a read up on the Community Charge. Find figures for Labour and Tory areas. Then come and discuss.

You'd think he'd give up but he never does.

You fool! Me? Give up? 😯

😀

I'm on about individuals paying their fair share.

Go and have a read up on the Community Charge. Find figures for Labour and Tory areas.

I would be inertested to hear arguments against my proposal.

Still waiting for an answer to that, btw... 🙄

Just for inertest, if it izzent obvionion...

The main argument against your proposal is that it would make it harder for councils to gather the money they need to pay for services.

They have you by the balls, and can enforce the entire debt against you. The other person who was liable has gone to Spayne. So, by pressuring you, they are going to get all the money. Under your proposal, they would have to write half of it off because the enforcement costs are too high.

The effect of the current basis of joint and several liability for the household's tax bill is that they get more council tax.

Apparently, council tax is a good thing. It pays for social goods such as libraries, large print leaflets about gay fostering in Urdu, and banning Christmas. If you've decided paying tax is a rotten idea, please let us know so we can stop paying it as well. 🙂

It's not fair. Everyone should pay their way.

I'm on about [b]individuals[/b] paying their fair share.

Why should I pay for everyone.

And the CT system is flawed,.............. Should be per [b]individual[/b], unless you are a 'family'

Hang on, this is going to cost me and I look like a Tory. Let's forget about individuals and make it payable per household

I'm suggesting an individual amount payable [b]according to how many lived at an address[/b].

EG; £1000/4 = £250 each. £1000/5= £200 each. Geddit?

U-turn win, credibility fail.

This may give you some useful info:

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/tax/council_tax.htm

and get yourself down to the CAB rather than spend all your time ranting on here!

It's times like this that I wish Michael was still alive.
He'd know what to do.

All you need now is the TV Licence to catch up with you.

What are you on about, TM? ❓

The main argument against your proposal is that it would make it harder for councils to gather the money they need to pay for services.

Erm, but they might have more who are willing to pay a lesser amount, so your argument is negated.

The Community Charge failed, because it was unfair.

What I am proposing is not the Cummunity Charge. It's fundementally different.

All you need now is the TV Licence to catch up with you.

They've been and gone. I'm clean! 😀

Ah yes. I had forgotten that paying for a TV license was good enough for the many, but not good enough for the Rude. 🙂

BTW; it is so nice, that so many of you must pay so much attention to my posts, to be able to remeber stuff even I've forgotten!

Shows my words stick inside your minds. I am flattered that I have such an influence on you all. Most of youse, I can't remember what insignificant cobblers you come up with from one day to another.

Thank you for your unwavering support. God Bless you all!

(Signed postcards will be available for just £9.99 inc £4.99 p+p)

I am not talking about willingness to pay a given amount, I am talking about the ability to force people to pay. They will successfully force you to pay. Result. Under your proposal they couldn't, and would lose the money.

This is not about rates/levels. It is about effective enforcement.

It's not we remember it's just you spurt the same shite day in day out.

Drac; maybe a little lie down will help...

BD; as a lawyer, you'll no doubt be aware of the long queues, at yer average Magistrates' Courts, for the Council tax fines bit.

Care to hazard a guess how much it costs, to try and recoup the moneys from those what jolly well have not paid?

And people like my old flatmate; faced with a large amount of CT, she appears to have fled the country. What if she'd been the only person liable? They'd get nothing at all.

Not a bad effort, mate, and better than most of the Vogons on here, but Could Do Better.

[i]Drac; maybe a little lie down will help...[/i]

Can't see why that would stop you posting shite but give it ago if you want.