[Closed] Get out of Jail free card = Being an attractive Oxford student

Would jail do her any good? I doubt it. I think the media attention has done her future prospects enough damage as it is.

I dont know, I wasnt in the court so dont understand the circumstances. A sensationalised news story doesnt allow me to make an informed decision either way.

justice, punishment, sending a message?

OP you sound like a very bitter person

I'm sure there is some sensationalism in the story, however the bones of it can't be too far removed.

Stabby drug addict. Sounds like an extraordinary young lady alright.

Don't know the full story. She also stabbed herself, so I'm guessing the ex might have been the final straw in an impending breakdown. Hope they are both okay now.

That better have been an empty jam jar though. Mmmm jam

OP may wish to read this before embarrassing himself any further
https://thesecretbarrister.com/

That better have been an empty jam jar though. Mmmm jam

The kids use jam jars for their drinks nowadays so maybe no jam was harmed in the making of this sensationalist story.

Gary_M - Member
OP you sound like a very bitter person

why would i be bitter? I've done alright for myself, so Uni thing is not an issue, nor is her potential wealth. What is an issue is seeing women get batshit crazy violent and then promptly blame it on drugs or booze and get let off. There is zero balance when it comes to stuff like this.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/

yep read it, still think its wrong. Point being, if the person was of a different background there will have not been a deferred sentence, it would have been straight to custody.

why would i be bitter?

I don't know, only you can explain that.

But the use of 'luv' and the 'Mummy and daddy probably had a word..' line just smacks of bitterness and nastiness. And you do appear to have a chip on your shoulder about your 'class'.

I've done alright for myself, so Uni thing is not an issue, nor is her potential wealth.

But I'm guessing have neither been a drug addict or in an abusive relationship.

You clearly have more details about the case than everyone else.

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yep read it, still think its wrong.

Really? The Judge has deferred sentencing to see if she gets her shit together rather then sending her straight to prison.

If she doesn't get her shit together she goes to prison, if she does than we have a useful member of society without the expense of imprisonment.

Win win surely?

I don't think we are getting the whole picture here. She's probably a very disturbed individual and the probation / mental health reports have come back with the analysis that jail could possibly send her over the edge.

The only reason its in the papers is cos she is relatively fit. Clickbait 101.

Read it? Must have skimmed past the bits about the Bashir case then.

Lock her up!

Wait, wrong thread.

Letting her try to get her drug issues/mental health together before sending her to prison seems sensible if she hasn't got a history of violence/crazy stuff like this.

Regardless of whether sentencing is deferred, delivered or suspended, wouldn't her guilty plea mean she will now have a significant violence conviction which will show up on all future vetting Enhanced Disclosures, which are pretty much universal in responsible positions in clinical and care settings, and you would expect most future employers to be wary of the risk of taking on someone with such a history?

To follow that up, would this not make the idea that she had a bright future as a surgeon impractical as an argument for deferring sentence in itself?

Whoever wrote that piece on the secret barrister website seems almost as guilty of speculation as the tabloid writers...

Conclusion

It is too early to draw any conclusions. That is really the beginning and end of it. But if we must go a little further, I would observe that, although understandably surprising to the non-lawyer, there is nothing on the reported facts of this case to suggest yet that anything is amiss. We will wait and see what September brings (and hope that, given the pre-emptive press rumblings, the judge takes the step of formally publishing his sentencing remarks in full), and reassess then. But it is entirely plausible that this is a sad and difficult case where a talented young woman bearing pains that few of us can imagine acted out in an uncharacteristically raw and violent fashion, in a manner that demands condemnation, but the punishment for which the court will temper with mercy, avoiding the compounded tragedy of extinguishing a bright life in the squalid pits of our rotting prisons.

Really? The Judge has deferred sentencing to see if she gets her shit together rather then sending her straight to prison.

I think the OP is suggesting others may not get the benefit of getting their shit together.

OP may wish to read this before embarrassing himself any further

Not sure the blog post is quite as clear cut as to achieve that. As it seems to err on the side of speculation itself.

Another person falls for click bait that reinforces his prejudice, hardly a shock is it?

I wonder how her bedside manner will turn out.

On a more serious note, if she's not dangerous to anyone else (any more) what would be the point of a custodial sentence? We arguably incarcerate too many non-violent criminals who then cost the taxpayer money, contribute nothing to society and add to prison over-crowding.

Perhaps she should be given a legal obligation to add a health warning to her Tinder profile.

For balance.

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/woman-stabbed-her-partner-in-the-chest-with-a-steak-knife-after-drunken-row/story-30015892-detail/story.html

No mention of Oxford or good looks though.

as Jamie more succinctly put it..

Anyway, the "luv" and mummy and daddy "thing", was more to highlight the apparent head start in life and subsequent chucking it down the drain scenario, as there is always some form of cushion there. Up-bringing a caue?- probably a flippant question itself...

So the Burton Mail thinks a steak knife looks like this:

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Not trying to be dramatic or anything.

the barrister's speculation lies within the confines of the laws that will have been applied. His conclusions flow from logic and the laws. Not hyperbole and wild allegations of favours and bent judiciary.

yes there are some assumptions as to culpability and harm to arrive at the sentencing guide of a [i]probable[/i] <2yr sentence, that then has the capacity to be suspended, and again, the ability to suspend is defined in the guidelines and the facts as they are known meet them.

as there is always some form of cushion there.

What about the Burton woman? How come she escaped jail?

So the Burton Mail thinks a steak knife looks like this:

, this isn't on

I'm willing to bet that this sort of judgement goes on all the time without the papers troubling themselves overmuch. This one is different though, as 1. She is posh, 2. She is attractive (and theres the photo of her in a swimming costume in all the papers) . 3. Oxford university. Which is treble points on red top headline bingo

You're right though, it's not on

Knife - stock picture

I mean, I guess technically you could cut a steak with this:

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I can't square the op's comments about "mummy and daddy" with any facts indicating she's from some privelidged set; her background as far as I have read is one of a drug addict who's been in a former abusive relationship.

That's not a stock picture.

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SO they don't have a picture of a steak knife?

Tuna bake?

I've no idea but I'm not sure what it has to do with the story much anyway.

She sounds like a troubled individual, with mitigating circumstances (not related to her background and education) which have presumably convinced the judge she's unlikely to re-offend.

I don't have a problem with the sentence, and I can be as chippy as anyone.

No point aiming to be a heart surgeon if you're not prepared to practise

Pretty shocking comment from her defence team. She's a drug user I would have thought that she would be most unsuitable as a doctor / surgeon. Hence jail time is irrelevant to her desired career.

She's a drug user I would have thought that she would be most unsuitable as a doctor / surgeon

Former. And you're wrong.

Is Lavinia the posh version of Louise?

No point aiming to be a heart surgeon if you're not prepared to practise

She definitely needs more practice if she's currently hitting the leg.

the quickest way to a mans heart is via his femoral artery you know...

I've no idea but I'm not sure what it has to do with the story much anyway.

Someone will get it. 🙂

I got it very good.

highlight the apparent head start in life

What is her 'apparent head start in life'? Ah she's called Levina, that's it.

Is that what constitutes attractive these days?

She does sound to have been troubled. I wonder what the lad that got stabbed thinks about it. For the law to be work it needs to be deemed fair and equitable - The judge will have to do a damned good job in what is said in the sentencing if it's not custodial. Not that it will matter - the press will publish a sensationalised clickbaity summary irrespective.

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I;ve been dying to use this since last week!

Someone will get it.

I wasn't replying to your post. 😀

Pretty shocking comment from her defence team. She's a drug user I would have thought that she would be most unsuitable as a doctor / surgeon. Hence jail time is irrelevant to her desired career.

Never been near a medical school? Biggest bunch of pissheads ever! You'd never let a white male doctor anywhere near you ever again.

she was drunk addicted to drugs threw a bunch of stuff at the fella and then stabbed him and then herself.. too right the judge said i m adjourning till the end of sept for reports and to see if you can stay off the drugs.. he never mentioned her potential career..

know a mate who has been plagued by someone putting up posters claiming hes a murderer and child molestor for months police arrest the guy charge him and he pleads guilty.. adjourned for 3 months for reports etc only right that decsions that can affect lives are taken slowly

hmmm...

she has a google problem now...

Not sure I'd want her in my profession having done that. Does not sound like high-spirited pranks. Often you can see people who are temprementally/psychologically unsuited to medicine who don't get redirected soon enough.

She sounds like class act all the way! 'before stabbing herself'!! Awesome. Ideal candidate to take the medical profession forward. 😀

convert - Member 
Is that what constitutes attractive these days?

Well I wouldn't say she was ugly. At least not to her face. Especially if she had a knife.

Great link Stoner.

I also recommend http://ukcriminallawblog.com/
as well as
@CrimBarrister
@Barristerblog
@davidallengreen
@Maggotlaw

if you like to follow law stories.

Judge Pringle was told Woodward had become addicted to drugs and had previously been in an abusive relationship with a previous boyfriend.

In other words, she has Previous.

Does not sound like high-spirited pranks.

Come on, admit it, we've all pulled a cheeky prank that ended up with a leg stabbing. Am I right guys.

Guys?

She has a massive Google problem now....24 and a drug addict, wants to be a Dr....yeah, sounds like an ideal candidate for having prescribing rights and being around controlled drugs.

As an American might say....stick a fork in her, she's done.

Thank you. I'll check them out tonight after wrangling jr into bed!

I particularly interested to know what The Huffington Post makes of the story. They usually take DV stories very seriously.

No real emphasis placed on domestic abuse, which if this were a man, would be very much at the forefront of things. And rarely does that kind of violence just pop out of nowhere, there is almost always a pattern of escalating behaviour, now just like female victims, that could have been omitted. Just like men who perpetrate this kind of violence, I hope she gets help to overcome it. Oh wait...