[Closed] German Market . . . .

Another extremist?

Here we go again.

So far it seems deliberate but no confirmed "terrorist" link,

Yes, saw that on Ch 4 news just now at the last minute.

Not looking good.

Actually anyone doing this would likely be an extremist, but they seem to be hitting Germany, France and Belgium with some regularity.

9 dead so far. FFS.

Shooting in Zurich, too.

not good. uk can not be far off something.

Not that it is of any consequence, but I've walked that street a few times in the past.

What I though rmacattack. We definitely on the target list.

Poor folk.
Crossed my mind at the German Market in Brum.

The Zurich one seems to be inside the Islamic Centre. Is it getting tit for tat?

Horrible news. Something like this is one of the reasons we haven't been with our kids to our local Xmas market. 🙁

I do wish these people doing this stuff would just **** off.

Pathetic cowards.

Horrible news. Something like this is one of the reasons we haven't been with our kids to our local Xmas market.

It's so sad, it doesn't matter which side of arguement you happen to have been born on - it's always the everyday people just going about their lives who get hurt and killed.

🙁

Do not let these bastids win!

which side of arguement you happen to have been born on

Russia today reporting driver caught and another body found in lorry cab

Horrible news. Something like this is one of the reasons we haven't been with our kids to our local Xmas market.

The chances are extremely remote. My wife was scared about going to London with the kids due to the high alert, I persuaded her it'll be Ok and they headed off this am for a few days.

Tossers.
I spent yesterday afternoon in a busy London location with loads and loads of different cultural types all having fun together .This kind of thing crossed my mind.
Children were playing together and at the time I thought "this is fantastic , how could anyone want to **** that up?"
Grrrr.

Can't let them beat us through fear. The purpose of terrorism is to terrorise.

My lad (13) has just come back from a school trip to Belgium that included several Christmas markets and the thought of some kind of attack had occurred to me, also when he was there in the summer on a music tour. But the chances of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time are incredibly small.

Terrible to read about another event like this - not least after the incredible generosity the Germans have shown to others in recent years.

I was at that market with my wife on Sunday morning.....

No definite links to terrorism... yet.... it could still be a traffic accident like the Glasgow bin lorry

Don't jumps to conclusions

I'd put money on it bring individuals as opposed to terriost group.

Drac

I'd put money on it bring individuals as opposed to terriost group.

According to the New York post ISIS have claimed responsibility for the attack. So now folk can start debating what kind of mental health issues the driver had.

I'd put money on it bring individuals as opposed to terriost group.

ISIS has been calling for "lone wolf" attacks using vehicles and knives for some time. The Nice attack was just such an attack. That one form of an ISIS attack. US State Department has been warning tourists to avoid places like Christmas markets. I am quite surprised after Nice there where not concrete blocks in place, either that or the lorry has pushed through them.

I hope the Polish truck driver is ok, he has not been heard of since 4pm. Theory is the truck was hijacked. A person was found dead in the passenger seat of the truck.

The Zurich shooting was near an Islamic Centre as opposed to inside. Not clear who where the casualties.

the problem is that there is little difference between 'Individuals' and 'Terrorist group'. That is the whole key to terrorist cells. Individually can independent do something for ' the cause'. Though the problem in Germany are not wholly unlinked to the fact they let 1,000,000 immigrants in un filtered. Who know's who crossed the line into the country. It only takes a handful of terrorists in amongst the majority of genuine immigrants to make an impact. Not quite the same risk as the UK faces.

Agreed.

The Zurich shooting was near an Islamic Centre as opposed to inside. Not clear who where the casualties.

Guardian report says people where shot inside the centre/mosque whilst at prayer

Awful thing to happen again. Once again our basic ability to behave inhumanely is seen.

My thoughts as always are with the families of the victims.

I am quite surprised after Nice there where not concrete blocks in place

Can't let them beat us through fear. The purpose of terrorism is to terrorise.

Looks like a terrorist attack done in the name of the religion of peace.

Of course. You would think the citizens of Berlin would be well up for building concrete walls around places where people come together.

Don't be a twit, it's a completely different situation and reasoning. 3ft high concrete blocks surround road access points at the market in Birmingham.

It only takes a handful of terrorists in amongst the majority of genuine immigrants to make an impact. Not quite the same risk as the UK faces.

7/7 was committed by Brits. The Nice attack as committed by a French-Tunisian who had lived in France for 10+ years.

It's tempting to think that the problem is this new rush of refugees and immigrants, and by simply shutting that door we can keep out the bad guys. It's not true.

I see that 3 more people died overnight. Death toll now at 12.

People (politicians, media, individual citizens etc) will always choose to tell the story in a narrative that fits/confirms their personal ideology.

Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?

Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?

Unless you're Burmese, then it's the Buddhists. Or in Uganda (or until recently N. Ireland), where they're Christians. And let's not forget the Jewish extremist groups in Israel. Or the Hindu lynch mobs that pop up now and then in India.

bencooper

7/7 was committed by Brits. The Nice attack as committed by a French-Tunisian who had lived in France for 10+ years.

In the same way the Canary Wharf bombing was committed by brits.

"Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?"
Obviously wrong but good attempt to help the Isis agenda.

Just what would you have done with the millions of refugees, Jamba? A full proposal with the probable consequences please.

Whilst Germany is suffering I think the rest of the world would have suffered more had Germany not taken the refugees. Personally I'd like to see a deal with Saudi so that radicals can be swapped with Saudis who reject radicalisaation.

Unless you're Burmese, then it's the Buddhists. Or in Uganda (or until recently N. Ireland), where they're Christians. And let's not forget the Jewish extremist groups in Israel. Or the Hindu lynch mobs that pop up now and then in India.

Or in Canada, where Sikhs were responsible for the biggest terrorist attack. Etc etc etc.

spekkie - Member
Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?

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I see Farage is using it for his own agenda, perhaps a new low even for him.

The whole thing is horrific

"Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?"

[i]Obviously wrong but good attempt to help the Isis agenda.[/i]

I'm not specifying ISIS, I'm specifying that "Religion" (in whatever misguided form) seems to be a constant . . . as confirmed here:

[i]"Unless you're Burmese, then it's the Buddhists. Or in Uganda (or until recently N. Ireland), where they're Christians. And let's not forget the Jewish extremist groups in Israel. Or the Hindu lynch mobs that pop up now and then in India."[/i]

French and German media are reporting the profile of the killer BTW: origin, route, status in Germany and previous criminal record.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

French and German media are reporting the profile of the killer BTW: origin, route, status in Germany and previous criminal record.

Oh thank god. Please let it be a white person with mental health issues instead of a brown person with religion of peace issues.

I hope someone with a piano can show up at the scene of the murders and sing "Imagine" by John Lennon. That's what religious nut jobs really fear.

Gary_C - Member

Looks like a terrorist attack done in the name of the religion of peace.

Yep, with 44 million Muslims living in Europe if Islam wasn't the religion of peace we would know all about it - we've seen the carnage that just one individual can cause.

Thank goodness that 99.9% of Muslims aren't terrorists eh ?

I'm not specifying ISIS, I'm specifying that "Religion" (in whatever misguided form) seems to be a constant . . . as confirmed here:

Well, ETA (in Spain) haven't actually turned in their guns yet. There are maoist terrorists in Colombia, Peru and India. And that's without getting into the murky debate about US drone strikes, Russian attacks in Aleppo, etc. etc.

Just what would you have done with the millions of refugees

International agreements/law already have this sussed.

You keep displaced people together as close as possible to their original homes. That way they can be looked after and most importantly when the threat goes they can return ASAP. Otherwise you end up in the situation where the nutters get defeated and there are no sane people around to repopulate the areas they came from. The last thing you want is displaced people spread over the planet.

Damn those Muslim terrorists to hell.
Thoughts with the Muslim victims in the Mosque.

@pete tough times. Give everyone a hug. I hope you don't know anyone killed.

Christmas market and fair in our town in Paris has concrete blocks placed in road and armed police and the army guarding the site. We have not been into the main Paris market for personal security reasons.

It's tempting to think that the problem is this new rush of refugees and immigrants, and by simply shutting that door we can keep out the bad guys. It's not true.

This is Germany's 4th (I believe) deadly terrorist attack carried out by a "refugee". This terrorist was from ****stan although he claimed he was Afghan. ****stan not Syria or Iraq. As part of the deal with Turkey all ****stani and Bangladeshi migrants are now returned immediately. Germany accepted a million people with virtually no checks. From the data I have seen majority are not entitled to asylum (Germans have declared Afghans ineligible as its a safe country) Moroccans, Tunisians, ****stan, Bangladesh, Somalia ..

Farage is right to say this disastrous policy will be Merkel's legacy. The EU tried to force all member countries to take an allocation of these un checked "refugees". It's hardly surprising the member countries have declined to do so.

Edukator the refugees should have remained in Turkish, Lebanease and Jordanian camps. The UK is the second largst financial supporter of these refugee camps after the US. Had Germany wanted to accept refugees it should have followed the UK policy of preclearing them via the UN and taking people only from these camps.

US drone strikes,

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

Edukator the refugees should have remained in Turkish, Lebanease and Jordanian camps.

You know as well as I do that those camps were already saturated and incapable of taking a million more and the UK certainly wasn't going to finance doing so.

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

So he failed his geography test then?

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

Well you can turn that around and say it clearly demonstrates he's originated from a hotbed of terrorists.

The ****stanis, Bangladeshis, Moroccans and Tunisians for example could have gone back to those countries. Why should Saudi take them ?

for those saying we could be on the list next, there were six arrests at the end of last week around Birmingham, London and derby regarding plots for attacks on Christmas markets in the UK.

****ers are everywhere

No, Dragon, he just followed instructions to kill infidels wherever he could.

Prophetic speech from Dominique de Villepin before Blair and Bush started to the chain of events that led to this thread being posted:

Do you really think that if Middle Eastern countries used a huge military machine to bomb the UK for years a few British expats in the Middle East might not feel the need for revenge?

Edit: I thought I'd typed a four letter acronym, could a mod confirm that some things don't get replaced by the swear filter but simply disappear.

Is it actually possible to check refugees for this sort of thing? I presume they aren't all carrying passports, utility bills and so on?

Is it actually possible to check refugees for this sort of thing? I presume they aren't all carrying passports, documents so on?

All terrorists carry a terriost members card at all time.

Of course. You would think the citizens of Berlin would be well up for building concrete walls around places where people come together.

...what was the intel that led to this, and was Germany party to that intel?

Because if so, there's a frigging nuclear level scandal waiting to happen over failing to act on it.

Because if so, there's a frigging nuclear level scandal waiting to happen over failing to act on it.

Why? They're not the only city who doesn't have them.

No definite links to terrorism... yet.... it could still be a traffic accident like the Glasgow bin lorry

Don't jumps to conclusions

I think that you need to up your meds.........

I think that you need to up your meds......

He was just making a point that people were jumping to conclusions.

...incredibly racist, xenophobic and islamophobic to suggest that something which looks like an islamist attack is an islamist attack.

There is a perverse legacy from our IRA years, that many of our city centres and public buildings still have concrete bollards and barriers around them, meaning that in many places it would actually be very difficult to do the same here. A lot of people don't realise there is still this infrastructure in our towns as we have got so used to seeing it.

(that and the ram-raiding years).

Bicker, bicker, bicker... Bonnes fêtes, à plus.

Edit: you posted while I was typing, Scud, congratulations on typing something pertinent.

Puts rose tinted glasses on and looks nostalgically back to the IRA years in so much as at least they usually gave a warning and had a political leaning that was not all 'death to the infidel'.

[quote=jambalaya ]..........
Farage is right to say this disastrous policy will be Merkel's legacy.

Is he? Should try looking at his own legacy

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If her legacy was welcoming hundreds of thousands of desperate people into Germany; giving them shelter, safety and a possible future, then, to be honest, I'd be pretty happy with that as a legacy.

Yes, it might be that one of the 900000 people she saved turned out to be a wrong 'un. That's terrible. It doesn't mean that the act of compassion was wrong, though.

Rachel

How the **** does he sleep at night.

Just as I was thinking I was on the wrong forum three people prove me wrong. Exactly Allthegear. We now need to stop creating the conditions that produce "wrong uns".

Farage managed the unmanageable today - to sink below the level of the gutter. I almost pranged my car, listening to his BS on the radio about an hour ago. He has sunk below contempt now.

Its a horrible thing but it is too easy to blow this stuff out of proportion and start pointing fingers. Far more likely to be killed or severely injured in an RTA.

Shitting your pants about refugees carrying out attacks is a waste of time.
[url= http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015 ]Deaths in Europe from extremism[/url]

ETA, IRA, RAF, Neo-Nazi's. Lone wolf attacks e.g Anders Breivik (killed 77 - 2011). Don't forget that Europe is perfectly capable of creating its own extremist psychos. (or wars for that matter)

We should still help refugees.

We should still help refugees

Id be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees, it just appears that Merkals open door policy exacerbated the situation and allowed a good deed to be taken advantage off.
It also didn't help that when she had realised what she had done she then tried to foist them on neighbouring countries!
Process the refugees near the borders of Syria, then allocate them to safe host countries.
You now have a lot of refugees mixed in with more good old fashioned economic migrants taking advantage of the situation, living in subpar accommodation and now being viewed very suspiciously by the local population, something that will lead to more of these attacks as everyone becomes more disillusioned with the status quo.
Its a horrible vicious circle with frankly no easy fix.

It's a religion of peace you know....