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Maybe you should be asking if certain contributors can discuss Israel & Palestine (you do know the current issues are more than just Gaza right?) in a mature, balanced way and without squabbling about what side said what first or what side did that last..... Oh, and LOL straight back at ya.
So, galloway has said ‘his party’ will stand 59 candidates in the GE, all in the greater manchester area
There are not 59 constituencies in the Greater Manchester area.
For millions of muslim voters in this country it absolutely will be the number one issue.
1. The election is months and months away, and anything could happen between now and then. 2. Saying this is the most important thing for a "muslim vote" is pretty dismissive of a huge swathe of individual voters.
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"Galloway told GB News earlier this morning his Workers Party of Britain has got "59 parliamentary candidates ready to go, and will stand therefore in three-score Labour seats" in the general election.
He wants to "either defeat them ourselves or cause their defeat".
The political maverick also flagged backing independent candidates, "many of whom are energised by what happened tonight".
The Workers Party will be targeting seats around Rochdale including Oldham, Bolton, Blackburn, Bury and Tameside in greater Manchester, according to Galloway."
Hope that clarifies.
Maybe you should be asking if certain contributors can discuss Israel & Palestine (you do know the current issues are more than just Gaza right?) in a mature, balanced way
I've seen very little discussion of the issue which isn't mature. The vast majority of posters are very careful not to cross any lines. Not sure what you mean by balanced though. This isn't the BBC, we are allowed to have opinions on one side or the other. The problem with this whole issue though is that the opinions on one side are repeatedly cancelled by the other with offensive and unfounded accusations of anti-semitism.
He will, because as demonstrated by the vote a good proportion of the people of Rochdale clearly want their voice heard on the Gaza issue
I'm sure they do, but what they will get instead is George Galloway promoting himself.
But yeah we can only hope that he wakes up the House of Commons and stale British politics, in a good way obviously.
Like being unhappy with the flavour of the soup of the day, hearing that someone has done a shit in it, and hoping for something positive to come from that.
1. The election is months and months away, and anything could happen between now and then.
Probably two months away. What do we think might happen in that time? If nothing changes on the aid front then almost certainly mass starvation and the complete breakdown of whatever social order is still left in Gaza. They'll be killing each other for a loaf of bread. Also the potential attack on Rafah and all the horror that will entail. In the runup to the election I reckon it's highly likely muslim voters will be even more outraged and disgusted with the Gaza situation and Labour's lack of opposition to it than they are now.
Galloway is balls deep in conspiracy theories
he spent ages saying Putin would never invade Ukraine, then blamed Ukraine when he did
Hes made tons of insane claims about the hammas attacks in October - that the rapes & dead babies were faked, that the IDF infact killed many of the victims etc
not to mention his previous charity that raised £1m for Gaza, yet mysteriously never delivered any aid...
it is worrying that he was elected
I’ve seen very little discussion of the issue which isn’t mature.
That's great and long may it continue and I guess the discussion will stay open. Unlike so many previous discussions regarding the subject.
The vast majority of posters are very careful not to cross any lines.
Let's hope the usual overly combative posters continue to be careful and the Mods continue to see it that way.....
Not sure what you mean by balanced though. This isn’t the BBC, we are allowed to have opinions on one side or the other.
I'm not sure I said or insinuated we aren't allowed opinions!!!!! Apologies if I gave you that impression.
The problem with this whole issue though is that the opinions on one side are repeatedly cancelled by the other with offensive and unfounded accusations of anti-semitism.
I guess some folk are allowed opinions even if they differ from our own, after all this isn't the BBC right? Or the Mods can shut the discussion down again.
I'm sure Gorgeous George will be working tirelessly to bring together all the opposing sides in the Middle East to bring around a lasting peace that all sides can work with. Like a modern day Mo Mowlem I guess......
Am I alone in wondering that if narrowly retaining 1 seat by going full right wing, pro motoring, and ditching all environmental policies was enough to define national Tory policy.
What does a 19.2% swing to a socialist do?
but he’s just another farage-like grifter.
Spot on. He knows his target audience,and is playing entirely upon it.
He doesn't give a rats testicle about the people of Gaza. Only that he can use them as a means to bolster his own ambitions.
Galloway got one thing spot on for Gaza but I am not sure about his "administrative" prowess.
For the coming GE, two international events will affect the voters' decision. Gaza and Ukraine will feature highly on the mind of the voters. These two agendas are rather opposite with the "rights" standing up to Russia, while the "left" opposing the displacement of Palestinians.
As far as I know, the former is a "leveled" playing field, while the latter should not be allowed at all. Especially giving support to an oppressive regime with clear intend to displace an entire population.
I guess Rochdale is such a perfect utopian place to live with no major societal problems for politicians to campaign on that fights between foreign powers in the middle east are somehow relevant to voters?
Everything is fine. Just fine.
For millions of muslim voters in this country it absolutely will be the number one issue.
Nah, muslims are just people, for most, the things that affect all of us will be top of their priority list. Please don't stereotype based on someone's faith.
Rochdale is an anomaly, GG only got in because the Labour candidate was an idiot and lost party support, the borough is deprived and wasn't going to vote Tory and GG popped up at the right moment.
Muslims only make up 18.8% of the Rochdale population, people of no religion 28.8% and Christian 46.9%. The borough is 74% white. GG did not get voted in because everyone agreed with his stance on Gaza.
I guess Rochdale is such a perfect utopian place to live with no major societal problems for politicians to campaign on that fights between foreign powers in the middle east are somehow relevant to voters?
Actually, in many parts of the world the issue related to Gaza and Ukraine feature rather prominently in their political campaign. These are issues that truly affect the people directly and indirectly. The longer the conflicts/wars goes on the more they will disengage with the West.
GG did not get voted in because everyone agreed with his stance on Gaza.
There are many factors but I suspect his stance on Gaza got him more votes than other local or national agendas. Nevertheless, the turnout was only 39%.
Muslims only make up 18.8% of the Rochdale population, people of no religion 28.8% and Christian 46.9%. The borough is 74% white. GG did not get voted in because everyone agreed with his stance on Gaza.
the turnout was only 40% (was 60 at the last proper election) - so george pulled in 16% of the public who could vote. That's more than anyone else, and I'm not suggesting he shouldn't win, but with targetted campaigning it could well be that 90% of his vote were people who are muslim (which won't work in a GE with a higher turnout)
He’s a self serving narcissist who has no place in British politics.
Sounds like its the perfect place for him.
We're already repeating the usual positions on Gaza, time to leave it for this thread?
He’s a self serving narcissist who has no place in British politics.
Most politicians are. It is a matter of who hit the right spot better than others.
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I guess Rochdale is such a perfect utopian place to live with no major societal problems for politicians to campaign on that fights between foreign powers in the middle east are somehow relevant to voters?
You think people who live in deprived areas or who are at the bottom end of the income scale are not interested in or shouldn't have strong views about world events? Lets leave the big stuff to the educated middle classes eh? I mean they make such a good job of everything why would people in places like Rochdale have any reason to question anything?
Time is limited for galloway to show he's more than a one trick pony; we know he isn't but...could be wrong.
Will be interesting to see how often he attends HoC and whether the speaker will choose any of the questions he will undoubtedly wish to ask at every PMQs - think of the free publicity which, I'm sure, he is.
GE is likely to be in either May or November. If May, he has next to no time; if November, that's a little more time but the summer recess will, hopefully, deprive him of political oxygen.
As for his party, anyone have any information about backers, finances, membership numbers etc?
Will be interesting to see how often he attends HoC and whether the speaker will choose any of the questions he will undoubtedly wish to ask at every PMQs
I suspect he will attend since doing grandstanding speeches is more his style than the tedious day to day support of constituents and might keep his vote up.
Although that said outside of Labour he has been extremely consistent in finding a single issue for the campaign but then crashing out at the next election. Wonder if he is entitled to "redundancy" pay if (I suspect when but wouldnt want to put proper money on it) he gets kicked out at the GE?
As for his party, anyone have any information about backers, finances, membership numbers etc?
Given the number of seats it has been contesting it doesnt look overly large in terms of membership but also doesnt need major funds unlike rekip.
@enrielynch - IME most of the people I know regardless of their religion, background or race want an MP that can focus on more than one issue at a time and not someone that disappears only to surface on a reality TV show or Russia Today.
@dissonance I think they need to be in post for 12 months then be defeated to get the MP redundancy. If I’m right, he won’t get it on this occasion assuming he’s not re-elected come the GE.
not someone that disappears only to surface on a reality TV show or Russia Today.
Galloway would not have been my choice had I been a Rochdale voter yesterday. That does not mean that Gaza did not play an important part in yesterday's by-election result.
Although if you want to challenge that suggestion I would be interested in why you think Galloway is now a Westminster MP.
Galloway should be an interesting character in the parliamentary debate stirring up all sorts of issues.
As for what he can do for Roachdale that's another question.
However, the question is why are the rest of the candidates did so poorly in the local election?
Although if you want to challenge that suggestion I would be interested in why you think Galloway is now a Westminster MP.
Challenge? Why would I challenge a democratic vote in the UK as I'm sure it the election of George was suitably corruption free? The people of Rochdale exercised their democratic right to vote and George won the most votes.
What I would challenge is the suitability & ability of the new MP. Just like farage, Galloway doesn't really offer anything apart from a populist commentary without actually having to do anything constructive about the issue, as this is a discussion about George Galloway MP......
Galloway should be an interesting character in the parliamentary debate stirring up all sorts of issues.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up. In order to opporyunisticly woo the socially conservative Muslim vote, he’s made plenty of openly homophobic and transphobic comments
I do love the hypocrisy of all the lefties lining up behind him and conveniently ignoring all the other shit that he’s got going on
He’s not your friend. He’s an opportunistic shyster in the Boris Johnson or Farage mould. He’ll tell anyone what they want to hear at any given moment.
Challenge? Why would I challenge a democratic vote in the UK as I’m sure it the election of George was suitably corruption free?
What a strange thing to say.
It is very obvious that I was asking whether you were challenging the suggestion that Gaza played an important part in yesterday’s by-election result - that was what was being discussed.
Why on earth would I be asking if you were challenging the vote?
So, galloway has said ‘his party’ will stand 59 candidates in the GE, all in the greater manchester area.; if this happens, they will be focussed on hoovering up the muslim vote.
Looking at his election literature, it was somewhat cynically divided between Reform-style tropes and Gaza/Muslim sympathetic messaging, depending on which household it went to. Galloway got a nice 'good luck' message from Nick Griffin, too.
I'm not sure if playing both sides will continue to work, and it won't take votes exclusively off Labour. I expect Reform thought they had a clearish run at the far right vote.
He’s not your friend. He’s an opportunistic shyster in the Boris Johnson or Farage mould. He’ll tell anyone what they want to hear at any given moment.
I don't doubt that at all. There should be some entertainments in the parliamentary debate with Boirs the clown (I think I saw some news saying he is back).
Galloway got a nice ‘good luck’ message from Nick Griffin, too.
The neo-nazi far-right are hopelessly divided over Gaza between those who hate Jews more than Muslims and those who hate Muslims more than Jews.
Griffin is in the hating Jews more camp and Tommy Robinson, who is a big supporter of Israel, is in the hating Muslims more camp.
It is very obvious that I was asking whether you were challenging the suggestion that Gaza played an important part in yesterday’s by-election result – that was what was being discussed.
I would prefer not to guess at peoples motives for voting the way they did but rather to ask the voters themselves.
However, as you asked.... As George is pretty much a single issue politician so there is a high probability that Gaza played a significant role in Georges' victory. Did he offer much else? Do you think simply winning makes him a suitably able & honest MP that can deliver to his constituents & for Rochdale? Or is he just another farage-esque populist?
What exactly has George ever achieved as a politician (apart from his wonderful 2005 speech in the Senate)?
Did he offer much else?
The opportunity to register a bit of a protest vote perhaps?
As I said earlier I'm not totally sure how many of those that put their mark next to George's name we're totally sincere in their support for him. He gets to play at being an MP again for a few months, then we'll see if he keeps the gig eh?
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Feel free to continue this thread, but if any more chat about Israel or Gaza comes up, it will be closed.
It may have been mentioned already and I have 0 interest in anything he says now. But I remember seeing a vid of him in front of a senate committee (or suchlike) a few years ago. Something about oil maybe?
Here it is, 1.05 in...
He ripped them apart...
He's a very orator and doesn't beat about the bush. I respect him for that.
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Seems a bit stupid given the reason given by many news outlets is his stance on this issue.
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