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I started watching this thinking it would be the usual stuff....and some of it is.
But Ollie really sticks it to ultra-processed foods in general, and Huel in particular. I wonder if Huel are still on speaking terms with GCN.
Ollie's main message seems to be eat more different types of plants. I'm hearing that as more kimchi, which can only be a good thing.
So, vegetables, what are we eating?
EDIT: I did make some kimchi, and it was pretty tasty, but I think I need to throw it out and start over having read all about salt levels and botulism.
But Ollie really sticks it to ultra-processed foods in general, and Huel in particular. I wonder if Huel are still on speaking terms with GCN.
Huel pops up all the time on my YouTube adverts. That alone is enough to make me never even consider buying it.
I might watch later. He’s the one with a science PhD?
I nearly started a thread on ultra processed foods as I’m never sure what counts.
So from yesterday which of these is ultra processed
Brown sliced bread
Naked bar
Waitrose vegetable biryani
I’m assuming avocado, muesli and aren’t ultra processed but supermarket cheese cake is.
Huel worked for me.
Mostly through giving me the runs.
The Phd doesn't realy help when you are so far off topic. He didn't manage to find out that the bomb calorimeter energies for foods are corrected on a food by food basos to get nutritional calories.
had Huel in work for maybe 8 years, this isnt to lose weight, this is to eat more balanced
Significantly better than any grotty old cheese and pickle sarnie i might make for myself but more realistically buy an off the shelf meal deal
So from yesterday which of these is ultra processed
Brown sliced bread
Naked bar
Waitrose vegetable biryani
I’m assuming avocado, muesli and aren’t ultra processed but supermarket cheese cake is.
With a fairly loose interpretation, ask yourself, "Would a caveman recognise this?"
If the answer is, "Yes" then it's not processed. Any other answer... then proceed with caution.
I'm not familiar with all of the items on your list, but would suggest that the avocado alone is not processed.
I've just had a look at those Nak'd bars. "Natural flavourings" is often code for processed. It's a minefield :-/
I’m assuming avocado, muesli and aren’t ultra processed but supermarket cheese cake is.
Yes, but there are categories.
1. Raw foods, like your avo. and things like Tomatoes, honey etc etc
2. Ingredients. Things that need to be processed to make them, but are otherwise "naturally occurring things" sugar, salt (most herbs and spices)
3. Cooking: mixing stuff in category one and two to make food. Muesli is here.
4. Ultra processing: Either substituting cheaper ingredients to mimic expensive things, or replace them. Cotton seed oil is a good example of this. In it's raw state its toxic to humans, so process it to remove the toxicity, but then it still smells bad, so process it to remove the smell, and you can now use it in things like mayonnaise and other sauces and spreads because its still cheaper than using say; olive oil. And even better, you still get to call it natural. Also stabilisers, thickeners, modifiers...and so on.
most research is now suggesting that limiting your intake of cat 4 food is better for your health.
Fairly obvious that a meal composed of fresh fibrous veg and protein is going to be best for you. But if you're in a situation where the choice is between something spectacularly unhealthy (airline food / work canteen / supermarket sandwich / Greggs etc) then Huel is likely to be the superior choice.
It's a bit generic and boring if you have it every day, but it's not intrinsically bad for you in comparison to a lot of stuff.
I had a green revolution about 9 months ago, and feeling allthe better for it! Instead of a bacon butty most lunchtimes i scoff some local greens - chard, cavolo nero, broccoli, or spinach at lunch, with a couple of eggs, kimchi, avocado and beetroot.
it doesn't seem to stop my blood sugar levels from spiralling (no processed food here!), though curiously , over Christmas, and mince pies, stollen, grog and all the rest, my HVAC dropped from 45 to 41....
The generally accepted identifiers for ultra processed food is 1. It has to be advertised at you, and 2 It comes boxed or wrapped in plastic. Generally speaking its made so that food companies can make a profit from it. If it has to tell you its good for you, turns out it probably isn't.
What is Huey?
So from yesterday which of these is ultra processed
Brown sliced bread
Naked bar
Waitrose vegetable biryani
I would say that all of them will be. Most bread is (unless bought from bakery that bakes onsite), the Biryani absolutely will be and so will the naked bar.
You pretty much cannot buy any prepacked item from a supermarket and the only safe area is the fish fruit and veg.
What is Huey?
🎵 It ain't me...🎵
I wouldn't touch Huel if I was paid to!
I've spent the last 6 months doing some work with a nutritional therapist*. My reasons for doing this were quite different to the usual "lose weight" mantra. It's been quite difficult at times but I now feel a little better, have a little more energy, feel calmer and really enjoy eating a varied and colourful diet. My main take-away (sorry) has been to eat as many different plant-based foods as possible (including: berries, seeds, herbs, beans etc... but not much fruit), to drink plenty of water, avoid all processed foods, and to exercise and rest well.
*I know, I know.
Yes, just stick to making your own food and buy ingredients that haven't been 'flown in' from half way across the world. Also buy fruit/veg/salad 'in season' where possible. Even better still, grow your own and cook with this, ( where possible). Own grown food will look wobbly and misshapen, but will taste great.
Isn’t “huel” the noise that you involuntarily make when you smell it?
Why not fruit?
Possibly the sugar content. I'm back on Keto and have given up apples and bananas, along with anything potato or rice based, bread, biscuits, chocolate. In other words, anything that brings joy...
I've never heard of huel. I had a quick Google but they seemed to have wrapped up the Google results pretty well and everything reads like an advert. Is it some sort of modern slimfast milkshake type nonsense?
I missunderstood what Huel is and was always put of by a name thats so close to Gruel. However I've been using it for a month now for breakfast at work. It tastes fine and keeps me full until lunch ago no stacking. At home I prefer eggs for breakfast but I'd argue huel is better than most cereals or processed bread. The ingredients isn't full of preservatives, palm oil or sugar.
It's a convenient meal with precise calories without resorting to takeaways.
So not sponsored by huel :)but I lost 1/3 of my body weight by doing huel for breakfast, salad for lunch and a "normal" dinner.... And running 5-10k each day. Now have swapped the salad for a huel hot and savoury. This gives me 800cal + dinner each day with low carbs and low sugars
It worked for me and I find huel convenient especially when I am in hotels and on the road as I can bring it with me in the cabin on planes.
The new huel bars are much better tasting than the old black bars but also have much more carbs than I want. The huel ready pots also have waaay to many carbs in my personal opinion (your diet may differ)
Anyway worked for me - may work for you or may not
So not sponsored by huel :)but I lost 1/3 of my body weight by doing huel for breakfast, salad for lunch and a “normal” dinner….
Bloody hell.... How much did you weigh...?
If I lost a quarter I think I'd collapse.
I look at Italians and the amount they eat, yet don't see many fat ones.
I remembered this -
. I've never fancied it but there are worse alternatives , sandwiches for a start
Ha ha ! went from 94 to 62 - huel kept me full and allowed me to easily control calories
Thought that was an interesting video. A lot of it we probably all know, its applying it.
I'd not really thought of Huel as ultra processed foods, but it obviously is. Two colleagues at work used it, one was advised to stop by a nutrionist, not quite sure why, it was affecting another health issue.
On the other side, a clubmate has used it for 7-8 years as part of his training and nutrition plan, gone from overweight cyclist to podiums at national, european and world CX champs in his age group.
Huel worked for me.
Mostly through giving me the runs.
As it looks almost exactly the same as Jevity this is the least surprising thing I’ve read today. And you won’t be getting a flexiseal.
There's a lot of shite and groupthink on socialmedia. Remember ten years ago when we all went out and bought the 4HB book and iDave was our nutritional deity?
....And running 5-10k each day.
I think that's doing the heavy lifting here rather than the Huel....
I could eat +3000kcal a day if I was running that distance daily.
Best definition I've heard of ultra processed food is if items on the ingredients list are things you wouldn't find in your cupboards at home then they're ultra processed.
Chris van Tulleken has done several talks and interviews on the subject, including this TED talk:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QOTBreQaIk&t=221s&pp=ygUbdmFuIHR1bGxla2VuIHByb2Nlc3NlZCBmb29k
Thanks folks, it’s been an education
And running 5-10k each day.
Interestingly that GCN video debunks the link between exercise and weight loss.
Eating properly and losing weight is EASY if you eat low calorific density foods.
Essentially you want to eat a lot of fresh fruit and veg that is full of water. Things like fresh meats and fish are also great.
It's really obvious, but you need to make yourself feel 'full' with the least amount of calories. Being hungry, is different to feeling full. People need to learn when they actually need to eat, and when they don't.
I eat 1500 calories a day at the moment, and have done so for a couple of months. All that has changed is eating nothing I don't prepare myself, and halving my portion size. For example, I still will eat a burger, but I won't have chips, or something with it.
And don't eat anything that is pre-made, which obviously includes anything processed in general.
If you don't have control over what's in the end product you eat, you're not trying hard enough.
You just need to have a good 5 main meals, breakfasts and lunches you know how to make and have the ingredients in for.
Anyone who says they can't lose weight, or eat healthy and they eat crisps, chocolate, tinned soups, cereal bars, cereal, or anything that has more than a handful of ingredients or are full of carbs or sugar - then again, you're not even trying.
No one needs to eat/drink Huel. Just make breakfast or lunch the night before work. Or take apples, grapes, berries and some fat free yoghurt.
Any short-cuts to eating well aren't going to work long-term. Everyone needs a sustainable way of maintaining a healthy diet, and that changes with thinking that food NEEDS to take zero time to prepare, and come in a pot, or a bag, or a wrapper or a tin.
Interestingly that GCN video debunks the link between exercise and weight loss.
If you actually listen to what he say then it doesn't, he just briefly covers some ideas from the research. Like the suggestion that after you exercise you change your behaviour.
But what if you exercise at the end of the day, before bed for example?
I find just a little exercise (30 mins) on the turbo at the end of the day in zone 2 is enough to drop between 1/2 and 1 lb overnight, with no change to what I eat earlier in the day, And running burns even more.
I am coming down from 13 stone 10 lbs to currently 12 (gained from comfort eating and no real exercise whilst DIYing on my new house) in a fairly leisurely manner, previously went from about 13 to near 11 to win a weight competition at work (and that included drinking a Venti caramel latte every morning before work), and when I was younger 13 stone 3 down to 11 stone, so based on my experience I would catagorise that research as flawed...
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I think that the likes of Huel and Soylent etc are meant to be only used as alternative to eating crap, not really a substitute to real food ie, when you're too busy for lunch so just eat a bag of crisps and a kitkat.
Best definition I’ve heard of ultra processed food is if items on the ingredients list are things you wouldn’t find in your cupboards at home then they’re ultra processed.
The Biryani did ok on that test
INGREDIENTS: Vegetables (42%) (red pepper, cauliflower, butternut squash, courgette, peas), onion, basmati rice, rapeseed oil, tomato, half fat cream (milk), ginger purée, tomato paste, chopped coriander, garlic purée, butter (milk), green chilli, salt, chopped mint, jaggery, ground coriander, paprika, turmeric, cumin, crushed coriander seed, cumin seeds, colour (paprika extract), fennel seeds, kalonji seeds, mace, chilli powder, nutmeg, cardamom pods, whole bay leaf, cinnamon, white pepper, clove, ground ginger, ground bay leaf, saffron, cardamom
That's the way I see it.. It's better than your typical meal deal from a supermarket in that it contains a balanced array of carbs, fat, protein & vitamins...
... So you only really need to measure out how much you want in terms of calories.
Really ? There is no secret magic formula to weight loss.... Just need to make sure that the amount of calories going in is less than the amount of calories going out. I found that by exercising I got more calories going out per day. I kept a thousand calorie deficit going for about 6 months and the weight just fell off (by the way, it was a lot harder than this sentence makes it seem - 1000 calorie per day deficit sucks)..
those people who think there is no link between exercise and weight loss and afraid are wrong. Anything that up to your calorific burn (and so long as you don't replace it) means that you will lose weight as you've got to be able to find that energy from somewhere
so based on my experience I would catagorise that research as flawed…
He also says that the science is not black and white and that individual's metabolisms can vary the results hugely. But this area of research is pretty well understood now, Chris Van Teluken describes the same thing in his podcast and book (Ultra Processed People). Folks need on average about 2000-2500Kcals a day to maintain weight, and that's true of miners as it is of office workers. Eat more food; gain weight, eat less food; loose weight, everything else is pretty much just comment.
The type of food, or type of diet may have [even a significant] effect on you as an individual in the short term, over the long term, its mostly just down to quantity.
I think that the likes of Huel and Soylent
Soylent? There's a brand naming decision hoping the intended audience either finds it funny, or has never heard of the movie.
I have Huel a couple of days per week, at work, as a lunch when busy.
Its probably the very definition of processed food, but I'm fine with that a couple of times a week.
400 calories for the higher protein version, so a bit less than a supermarket salad or meal deal.
Definitely seem to lose weight the days I have it, but more because it always seems to facilitate a second 💩 of the day!
What’s that? Huel gives you the shits? Hmmmmmm. So it is both nutrition and laxative in one meal?
I found it fine when I had it as a lunch replacement at work for several months, but then I do have a cast iron stomach and can tollerate most things.
Stopped eating(drinking?) it as I just found it a bit boring really, I prefer 'real' food! That was just the regular powder though, not the pasta stuff they do.
Interestingly that GCN video debunks the link between exercise and weight loss.
The subtlety that gets lost in that debunking is usually that gym (or turbo) based training a few times a week burns a meaningless number of calories.
Even a decent length MTB ride probably barely justifies a slice of cake.
Even a roadie Sunday club run will struggle to break calorie even if you start it with porridge, coffee and cake, and lunch when you get back.
But if you commute to work every day 10+miles each way, and don't eat extra, then those "barelys" and "struggles to break even" start to add up.
A bit like saving money. £10/day won't make you rich, it'll barely put petrol in your car to commute. But ride a bike to work, put that £10 in a savings account and in 45 years you'll be a millionaire (and thinner than the person doing a pointless amount of exercise from a calorie perspective each day).
But if you commute to work every day 10+miles each way, and don’t eat extra,
All other things being equal then yes but the research suggests that if you say ride 10 miles then you will be a bit less active for the rest of the day than normal as your body knows if has used up some energy so takes a bit of a rest, even down to less fidgeting/restlessness. It is also difficult to not eat that little bit extra as we are not all measuring exactly what we eat each day.
In my experience of avoiding UPFs I am less hungry and just feel that bit better. It is not very dramatic and hard to prove but I know how I feel and ultimately why eat a cocktail of crap when I can avoid it.
To be fair to Oli it wasn't just Huel he had a pop at. Morrison's butties, McD and Burger King were all hinted at.
In my experience of avoiding UPFs I am less hungry...
That's because UPFs are designed to leave you wanting more.
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That’s because UPFs are designed to leave you wanting more.
Yes, I have read Ultra Processed People so know quite a bit about it!
And once you have spent time looking into packaged foods there are some you can actually eat and avoid UPFs, just not many. Things like Tracklements condiments, Costa Millica bread/wraps/pizza bases are the exception and prove that it can be done but the cost is higher as they are not from mass produced processers that seem to rely on putting in as much crap into the process that they can.
Luckily it is not a religion so way I see it is that as long as I am trying and end up probably eating 90% of 'clean' food then not bad.
The subtlety that gets lost in that debunking is usually that gym (or turbo) based training a few times a week burns a meaningless number of calories.
Even a decent length MTB ride probably barely justifies a slice of cake.
Even a roadie Sunday club run will struggle to break calorie
Thats a ridiculous thing to put on a forum without any proper qualification and kind of implies we should all stop bothering. I turbo train “a few times a week” and ride at the weekend - club run or MTB and average about 3500 weekly calorie deficit on as accurate basis as I can get it. Having lost 1.5 kg since 1st Jan debunks your statement. FWIW yesterday’s ride measured through an PM and HR was a 2200 calorie loss on top of a 2000net cals day. I ate 2,600 calories in return, very roughly speaking thats 1/2lb of weight loss in one ride.
Thats a ridiculous thing to put on a forum without any proper qualification and kind of implies we should all stop bothering.
No, go back and read what I said.
A mars bar takes 60 seconds to eat
250 (net, on top of your resting calories) takes about 2400seconds to burn.
It's a re-hash of the phrase "you can't out train a bad diet"
I turbo train “a few times a week” and ride at the weekend – club run or MTB and average about 3500 weekly calorie deficit on as accurate basis as I can get it. Having lost 1.5 kg since 1st Jan debunks your statement. FWIW yesterday’s ride measured through an PM and HR was a 2200 calorie loss on top of a 2000net cals day. I ate 2,600 calories in return, very roughly speaking thats 1/2lb of weight loss in one ride.
Is a long detailed way of evidencing my point that :
and don’t eat extra, then those “barelys” and “struggles to break even” start to add up.
You did a 4 (?) hour ride, ate an average ammount of calories and lost about double the daily rate of someone on a normal restrictive diet (aiming for 1kg/week), so over a week where you don't do that every day, about the same.
So you eat a average number of calories.
You consistently exercise.
You race to a reasonable high level as a result (cause and effect maybe swapped arround but you get my point).
It's people!!!Huel is people!!!!!!
A mars bar takes 60 seconds to eat
Well fair enough, but my assumption (yes I know) here is that anyone contributing this far into the thread should know a modicum about heathy diets and caloric use during exercise. Shoving a Mars bar in your face post ride isn't doing much of your body any favours at all.
You race to a reasonable high level
Not at the moment 😀
Going back to the green stuff, there's a lot of science out there now that shows we've generalised off-balance as a species toward a carnivorous diet and with processed fast food availability a pretty poor one at that. I have this year tried to defer away from that a bit, helped by Mrs K who has twice now had a lot of success with the Fast 800 diet for weight loss. Her main meal - and now mine on non-training days - is devoid of non green carbs e.g. 2 c chicken thighs with a leaf salad, and proportionate avocado and pulses. I feel just as full and reach my net 2k calories with less process food. I couldn't tell you if I feel different because its a small part of my overall diet btw.
You can do tiny things to reduce the amount of processing - look for wholemeal products vs "white", brown sugar, a handful of plain nuts rather than cereal bars etc.
Folks need on average about 2000-2500Kcals a day to maintain weight,
Net calories, but I think there is more to it than that.
I can do a local hike around the hills which the apps say burns 2400 calories but it's weight loss effect seems to be on a par with a short zone 2 ride on the trainer which the apps say might be 300 or 400 calories. I might have had a packet of low-salt crisps on the walk, so knock it down to 2000 calories, but even so it doesn't compute on simple calorie terms.
So I just weigh myself every day and notice what appears to work. Baked potatoes are always good, Ritter marzipan bars are always about 1lb in weight gain, regular short zone 2 on the turbo is good and easy and effective, running is good but requires more recovery at my age, walking not very good, etc.
You can do tiny things to reduce the amount of processing – look for wholemeal products vs “white”, brown sugar, a handful of plain nuts rather than cereal bars etc?
Oddly brown rice costs more than white rice despite needing less processing…
Cereal bars can be very bad news.
Oddly brown rice costs more….
I once watched a presentation within which the summary was “its isn’t that healthy food is expensive, it’s that processed food is cheap”.
It takes far less effort to roll process chicken nuggets of a production line that it would be to make them by hand from a free range organically fed chicken, with an organic/non processed batter.
So, vegetables, what are we eating?
Anything that isn't celery.
I wouldn't touch Huel with a very long, pointy stick as long as actual food still exists.
Beyond that, cakes, biscuits and chocolate - just don't touch them. The interesting bit is you soon stop craving the stuff and if you do try some, it tastes almost unbearably sweet. As an experiment, I made some air fryer flapjack as ride food. My mate loved it and though it 'wasn't particularly sweet'. I found it sickly to the point where I'm now contemplating throwing out the remaining two. Now looking for a healthier ride bar solution.
I once watched a presentation within which the summary was “its isn’t that healthy food is expensive, it’s that processed food is cheap”.
Yes and once again it will the poor in society who have to buy the crap UPF foods if/when the better off wake up to how crap they are and insist on 'proper' food.
Of course if you had a decent government they would not allow UPF forcing the food manufacturers to come up with meals free from ultra processing at scale, just as the smaller manufacturers can today but with reduced cost but we won't hold out on that sort of proactive policy...
I've used Huel for about 2 years. every weekday lunch pretty much. Why do I do it?
It's quick and easy - don't need to think about lunches in the morning
400 cals, 40g protein - try getting that from a meal deal
it's vegan - and nutritionally pretty good
It's keeps me full till tea
For me, it's a great option. I don't use it to lose weight - 400 cals at lunch is a decent amount of calories.
other than Huel I eat vegetarian, homecooked, from scratch food 95% of the time, so an easy, vegan meal, with no faff or thinking is a no brainer for me.
Agree about the sweetness thing. we’ve gone back to making our own cakes; mainly banana bread, carrot cake and scones. None of them get any added sugar or salt, and I find the stuff in shops and cafes inedible due to the sweetness.
I find the same thing with salt and savoury food; we don’t put salt in any food we cook, and I frequently find things like soup in cafes unbearably salty.
In both cases, we made these changes, and a general shift to a more plant based diet, for health reasons; I have to manage hypertension, and get problems with osteoarthritis in my knees, so lots of compelling reasons to eat in support of an active, healthy lifestyle. Despite that, I still struggle at times to not ‘fall off the wagon’ big time, especially around Christmas time.
Oats, mix in apple juice, add some berries, bake like flap jack. No need for butter or sugar.
I'll give that a go. My experience is generally the issue is binding the oats and stuff together. I'm guessing you're relying on the sugar in the berries to do that? Thanks!
I’ll give that a go. My experience is generally the issue is binding the oats and stuff together. I’m guessing you’re relying on the sugar in the berries to do that?
The apple juice seems to do it. Mix It into oats press a layer firmly into a tin lined with baking parchment, I then use a layer of mixed frozen berries and then another layer of oats mix. Press fit again and bake. Whole thing about 5cm or so thick.
As an experiment, I made some air fryer flapjack as ride food.
Is there a contractual obligation on all air-fryer owners to crowbar it into every possible conversation? 😆
I don't exclude anything from my diet. Life is too short to be making cake without butter, sugar and other nice ingredients. Just have them as treats rather than something for everyday.
Well fair enough, but my assumption (yes I know) here is that anyone contributing this far into the thread should know a modicum about heathy diets and caloric use during exercise. Shoving a Mars bar in your face post ride isn’t doing much of your body any favours at all.
I think it's one of those arguments that you can make as simple or as complicated as you like.
At the simple end it's "calories in - calories used = accumulation".
Or it's 2 degrees, a PhD and a couple of Sunday Times bestsellers.
e.g.
Michael Mosely is convinced that intermittent fasting is the panacea.
Your solution is to ride your bike for as many hours as most people would consider it a 2nd part time job.
Some people it's iDave
Some people it's kimchi and fermented milks.
Some people it's not eating processed foods.
Some people it's meal replacements.
The trouble is that by saying "It's ..........." is that it makes it sound so black and white that anyone thinking about losing weight is left thinking "f***, unless I eat nothing but fermented cabbage and ride my bike for 14 hours a week then I'm a failure, I'll just stick to eating the mars bar".
Whereas if the advice was "do anything that isn't an utter con/fad, doesn't matter which", just stick with it for 5 weeks and see. They'd probably have less issues. Is Huel better than [insert fashionably healthy food of choice here], probably not. Is Huel better than a sandwich mars bar and protein shake in the Tesco Meal Deal, very much likely. Probably better enough that it'd tip most people into a deficit.
The other problem with overwhelmingly complex advice, even "eat less" and "do more" is as soon as they wobble and miss the gym / ride / walk / class because they actually have a life, then they just give up and have a kebab because they've already failed.
Tonight I'm going to a spin class (tut tut, don't you know you should be only be doing 3 hour Z2 workouts, HIIT doesn't work) and then I'm going to eat a stir fry with quorn chicken (ewwwwwwww, processed), soy sauce (gasp, salt), and golden syrup (whaaaaaatttttt, that's inverted and will mess up the alignment your glyocelularfascialinsulohemoglobular receptors!!!!!!!).
My weights been like a yo-yo over the years, been as heavy as 24 stone and as light as 13 stone twice in a 20 year period.
My problem is im acutely aware that I have a bad relationship with food, binge eating, stress eating, comfort eating in tough times, and in the good times foods always something that adds an extra layer of joy to everything. Combined with my penchant for high % craft beers weight for me has been a nightmare over the years. I know what I need to do most times but actually doing it is easier said than done as it's all a mental game for me.
Interestingly I've started running doing the Garmin Coach 5k training plan thing, Since week 2 my appetite has been massively less than what it has been. What I have found is when losing weight from cycling the following 2 days my appetite has been through the roof, I want to eat everything I can and as much as I can, with the running I've lost 6 lbs so far but controlling my eating has been much easier, I seem way less hungry, stomach isn't rumbling half as much and because I've reduced volume my stomach has shrank and it's hard to portion sizes like I used to.
Sure it was Piers Morgan who caught a lot of flack for saying it but having been through the process twice and now doing it for a third time, "Eat Less, Move More" really is true. In terms of UPF food, the next time you guys are eating healthy then decide to treat yourself to something like a chinese or indian takeaway or boxed up shove it in the oven meal for 2 from Asda box, if you've been enjoying and eating fine the healthy stuff, the night after the UPF food I can guarantee that healthy food wont seem half as appealing as it did the week before, and it takes 2-3 days for the UPF cravings to subside. The stuff sucks.
Noticed a lot of people mentioning calories and calories in vs out.
If you are involved in IF,Keto or low carb then there's a very high chance your body is producing glucose through Gluconeogenesis. In terms of energy efficient it's extremely inefficient as it takes a lot of energy to produce glucose from a non glucose source. These kinds of diets have a metabolic advantage
Noticed a lot of people mentioning calories and calories in vs out.
If you are involved in IF,Keto or low carb then there’s a very high chance your body is producing glucose through Gluconeogenesis. In terms of energy efficient it’s extremely inefficient as it takes a lot of energy to produce glucose from a non glucose source. These kinds of diets have a metabolic advantage
Yeah, but it's still cals in vs cals out, just slightly different numbers. And those diets may work for one person but not for another. I've yet to see anyone saying that they can lose weight by overeating.
Van Tulleken didn't read the paper about miners correctly - miners of course use more calories than sedentary office workers - it is idiotic to think otherwise. This caused him, the charlatan that he is, to come up with some crack pot theory about food and exercise. The Ultra Processed Food fad is just another modern moral panic based on quack science. If Huel works for your lifestyle - go for it.