Special guests...
Lord Sugar
Nigel Farage
Gammon Broadcasting....
My mum was telling me all about it last night, she can't wait.
Tried to get the message across that it our version of Fox, but she barely took breath
Special guests…
Lord Sugar
Nigel Farage
Gammon Broadcasting….
As long as it keeps them off of the mainstream news channels then good with me.
Heard an advert for this on the radio last week. Even the advert sounded massively jingoistic. I can imagine it's all over the Union flag and national anthem at the start and end of the broadcast.
All the reaction from the twitterati is that it was a dog's dinner / hostage video.
And like someone said it's a delicate balance for them is if they shift a bit too Foxy then the sponsors will pull out. And by the looks of it they're scratching pennies together as it is. I've seen stills from Neil's opening monologue and it looks like the post apocalypse gameshow from Mitchell & Webb
What's Gloria de Piero doing there?
The worry for me is that Fox news allowed mass exposure to antivax, qanon, covid-denying, trump etc etc, stuff that's beyond normal right wing populism and into batshit territory
Plenty of Tory MPs will happily pander to GB news, but in America that brand of republicanism has become a monster they can't control.
Edit
Yep turns out that's exactly what's happened
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1404168675356254209?s=19
they'll run foul of OFCOM if they go too conspiratorial.
No Dian Abbott? Surely he needs a woke, lefty, member of the metropolitan neoliberal elite to bounce off.
I mean, look at the state of this lot.
Who's paying for it? Brexit-backing disaster capitalists, unsurprisingly.
Stupidly tunes in last night for 5 minutes and that was plenty.
Got the same feeling when I'm walking through the woods and someone had picked up dog shit in a bag then hung it from a branch at face height. What's the point and a little bit sick
The great thing is that it sequesters a certain type of presenter and viewer in one spot away from the rest of us where they can fester quietly together, and hopefully ends the careers of a good few of them.
BBC Complaints department might enjoy some quiet days.
Special guests…
Lord Sugar
Nigel Farage
Finally these silenced voices will be heard!!
No Laurence Fox? I is disappoint.
I noticed they were advertising for graphic designers a while back, but I doubt every brief of "yeah... red white and blue only, at least 5 Union Jacks in every shot and big bold type in caps" every day would be that rewarding
You should have gone for the gig for the purposes of glorious subversion.
Ok some sort of power dynamics in the picture. All males are shoulders forward straight to camera all females coyly at an angles.
they’ll run foul of OFCOM if they go too conspiratorial.
I'm absolutely certain they'd love the opportunity to stand up for freedom of speech against the woke metropolitan elite 🙄
Where America goes we follow.
Just always a slightly lower rent version though.
Is this a new version of Drop the Dead Donkey???
I imagine that like its target audience, it will loiter around stinking of wee for while then quietly die
I imagine that like its target audience, it will loiter around stinking of wee for while then quietly die
Sadly I suspect not, the 52% who voted for Brexit will probably love it's unabashed racist subtext.
Just always a slightly lower rent version though.
Slightly? They look like they've just rolled in from an all-nighter without bothering to change.
How long until Andrew Neil goes on the run like Brett O'keefe from Homeland, broadcasting the 'real agenda' from a disused tube station with Farage as his side kick.
I should write into Jim'll Paint it to get that one made up.
We 'need' these voices of discontent and gammony content - all good democracies require dissenting voices to function properly. We should all be glad they are here :o)
As for this...
All males are shoulders forward straight to camera all females coyly at an angle
Blokes all want to look broad shouldered and threatening while the ladies are trying to look slim and attractive. Gender identity innit :o)
Sadly I suspect not, the 52% who voted for Brexit will probably love it’s unabashed racist subtext.
Agree. I expect it to become very popular as it is "telling it like it is" and will appeal to a lot of people in this country. It is moving them into a bubble of biased views which as others have said could be dangerous as the views are going to be easily swayed by more and more BS.
We ‘need’ these voices of discontent and gammony content – all good democracies require dissenting voices to function properly.
You're new here? STW tends to like mostly truthful sources of information instead of bullshit hawkers.
The great thing is that it sequesters a certain type of presenter and viewer in one spot away from the rest of us where they can fester quietly together, and hopefully ends the careers of a good few of them.
I once thought that about UKIP and BNP.
'racists' 'gammons' = oh the irony from you lot.
they’ll run foul of OFCOM if they go too conspiratorial.
Not to forget that Bojo has been trying to get Paul Dacre installed as head of Ofcom, so he can have officially Ofcom sanctioned Racism, Homophobia and general bigotry....
Brett O’keefe from Homeland
I did enjoy that character. He seemed totally OTT from here in the UK, but probably quite normal for the USA.....
Agree. I expect it to become very popular as it is “telling it like it is” and will appeal to a lot of people in this country. It is moving them into a bubble of biased views which as others have said could be dangerous as the views are going to be easily swayed by more and more BS.
Without someone regularly reporting them to Ofcom every time they start pushing BS it will gain traction and we've seen from America where that leads.
I'm all for discussion about whether lockdown works etc. But it has to be fact based showing both sides.
‘racists’ ‘gammons’ = oh the irony from you lot.
Please explain. 'Gammon' is a term applied to a certain type, often unpleasant, who demonstrate a ruddy appearance whilst ranting against a variety of subjects, 'bloody foreigners' and the EU being two prime examples. They also tend to dislike progress and equality seeing these as bad things.
In what universe can this be termed as racist?
I’m all for discussion about whether lockdown works etc. But it has to be fact based showing both sides.
This is where the BBC went wrong, this ridiculous idea that there needs to be "balance".
There are facts and truths. Then there are opinions.
You don't balance out your interview with an astronaut by giving a Flat Earther 10 minutes airtime as well.
In what universe can this be termed as racist?
The Gammonverse.
this is like a 24/7 surreal comedy skit. DEEPLY enjoying the awful video call quality and the least professional couch on TV. and the adverts pandering to old rich people. It's a good time
5 mins today , 1 white bloke. 1 black bloke and 2 women all looked so bored trying to chat to each other about nothing and hating each other, but politically correct for some, and all sitting in a plastic box, thats not a tv.
Please explain. ‘Gammon’ is a term applied to a certain type, often unpleasant, who demonstrate a ruddy appearance whilst ranting against a variety of subjects, ‘bloody foreigners’ and the EU being two prime examples. They also tend to dislike progress and equality seeing these as bad things.
You missed "will most likely have a flag pole in their front garden flying a union jack the wrong way"
all good democracies require
dissenting voicesan involved, informed and educated population to function properly.
hth
Has he 'permission' to work in France?
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ca16b2d0-6954-4225-8027-43daa886d028
Like others I was intrigued so I watched it a bit, on and off for a few hours.
Being frank, based on only what I saw, it was, well a News channel, not a televisual portal into hell, I saw nothing to have my Centrist bile raised, I didn't shout at the screen. It was the same old, same old, Covid, EU Trade, Israeli Elections, Football, G7 meeting etc. I didn't notice any real bias at first, well, nothing like you might see in a Tabloid or the Telegraph.
Then, it happened.
Some chap, I don't know who, he was mid-tirade when I tuned in, was giving a speech on England Players taking a knee and the BLM movement. This wasn't a discussion, it was a monologue, a televisual version of a Daily Mail column.
His stance was pretty clear, by taking a knee, the Players were endorsing the BLM movement and by extension everything that anyone has ever ever said in the name of BLM, including 'defunding the Police' and the destruction of capitalism etc, in short any time, anyone, be they a Celebrity or Sports Person takes a knee, they're calling the complete destruction of your way of life whether you like it, or not. Booing people taking the knee, was not racist at all (I'm sure they have loads of Black friends).
It was one of the oldest tricks in the world, rather than explaining that BLM is actually a decentralised movement of people who think Racism, and Police Brutality directed toward Black people is bad, it's actually a large, highly organised, scary organisation with shady plans for all of us.
The sad thing is that, because of the way the world is now, it'll likely be popular, and not because in the last two decades the UK has become a backwards thinking, casually racist country, those elements have always been there, but because we've become a very polarised, binary country, maybe it's the whole world. As others have said, where America goes, we follow.
There is room for discussion over BLM and taking the knee and what that stands for, discussion is good, because without it, there is only division. We're being divided into two very strict camps, we're being encouraged to only think in the way we think 'our team' should think.
Who is the lady in beige, far left?
Excellent, looking forward to the chance to watch. If it mirrors fox, talk radio, Australia sky news (I don't know why the UK sky is such leftist tosh) then should be good.
If it annoys the usual snowflakey woke types more the better 🤣
It's going to be the Daily Mail in TV form isn't it, for those who want their daily dosage of hatred and fear without actually needing to read.
Excellent, looking forward to the chance to watch. If it mirrors fox, talk radio, Australia sky news (I don’t know why the UK sky is such leftist tosh) then should be good.
If it annoys the usual snowflakey woke types more the better 🤣
ah yes, the target demographic
I despise the use if the term "gammon". I totally understand the type of people and views it represents, but the fact that we are happy to throw around what has become an insult to discuss someone with a different opinion to ours strikes me as being petty. Fighting prejudice with prejudice is a bit shit, really.
don’t know why the UK sky is such leftist tosh
Ah, yes, that well known socialist... *checks notes*.... Rupert Murdoch.
any time, anyone, be they a Celebrity or Sports Person takes a knee, they’re calling the complete destruction of your way of life whether you like it, or not.
Marriage proposals are going to look a bit different in the future eh?
If it annoys the usual snowflakey woke types more the better
Any chance of describing "snowflakey woke" types? No? Thought not.
e are happy to throw around what has become an insult to discuss someone with a different opinion to ours strikes me as being petty. Fighting prejudice with prejudice is a bit shit, really.
Conversely, I think it is absolutely bob-on. The people it is applied to actively reject any attempt to engage in discourse about immigration, racism etc because it doesn't sit with their blinkered world view. The level of cognitive dissonance displayed by your average gammon (e.g. "we want control of our borders"/"why can't I go and live in Spain?") would make a supercomputer crash spectacularly.
They are bigots and, on the whole, selfish morons. I think it is entirely apposite.
They are bigots
And my view is that giving them an insulting name based on perceived physical appearance, is also bigotry.
An eye for an eye makes us all blind, even the well intentioned.
Any chance of describing “snowflakey woke” types?
Its generally anyone who doesn't think Bernard Manning is hilarious
And my view is that giving them an insulting name based on perceived physical appearance, is also bigotry.
For what it's worth, I don't think it was originally intended to be a descriptor for just physical appearance - just when chaps of a certain age and weight get a bit wound up and red in the face and start spluttering and shouting at the sky, they tend to go a bit pink and, well, uncooked ham in appearance.
I agree it's gone a little beyond it's initial roots, but I still think it's a good catch-all! 😉
Who is the lady in beige, far left?
Kirsty Gallaher.
Think she used to host you've been framed or something similar and disappeared from the mainstream after being a bit gammony.
EG:
Andrew Neil:
A ham, yesterday:
So we shouldn't call them gammons, we should call them bigots? Right-oh. I think I can live with that. Nice and factual. Bigots it is.
People do seem a bit snowflakey about the term Gammon, tho'.
Urgh, I can't wait until this is on at the in-laws'. This whole manufactured polarisation of politics is concerning for sure - just look what it's achieved in the US.
As a side-note: I really don't understand how 'woke' can be an insult. People proudly declaring their ignorance is so infuriating. I don't get it.
I despise the use if the term “gammon”.
#GammonLivesMatter
#gammonbigotnews
don’t know why the UK sky is such leftist tosh
Ah, yes, that well known socialist… *checks notes*…. Rupert Murdoch.
You should check them again.
Sky is owned by Commcast, their most well known 'Brand' is CNBC, a Centre-Left Broadcaster.
In fairness to Sky News, AFAIK have always been independent and unbiased, despite who owns them.
Sky News Australia, whole other thing.
Sky News Australia, whole other thing.
How do they get away with it? It (SNA) comes over somewhat like ‘Infowars’, only more depressing on account of it being named, funded and received as a bonafide ‘news’ channel.
In what universe can this be termed as racist?
Because it's association with a particular skin colour
The fact that a BAME person wouldn't be called a gammon even if they expressed the same beliefs (support for Brexit, war on drivers, antipathy to EU etc) demonstrates the issue
I prefer "snoutflake". Encapsulates them perfectly. Although "gammon piece of shit" does, too.
I prefer “snoutflake”. Encapsulates them perfectly. Although “gammon piece of shit” does, too.
Divide and conquer? You’re well in the game now.
Finally got to go for a drink in our old local pub yesterday. It was under new ownership. As we were leaving Mrs P was verbally attacked by a random stranger/patron for her shown interest in the pub’s vegan menu items. Unfortunately she was within earshot (he was at the bar) and so he became animatedly offended.
“I hate vegans. Sorry, no offense but I hate them”
His friend/wife/sister/GF(?)stepped in and apologised on his behalf. So that was alright then 🙄
It’s a whole new (old) country out there.
You’re only welcome in your own country if you play their game/toe their line. And then they’ll turn in back on you. He was offended by our freedoms to not have to eat meat at our local. We laughed it off and left in good cheer. I’m sure his memory will be that he ‘conquered the offended snowflakes’.
Shall be returning for nut roast, veggie sausages and cider 🙂
Typical, trying to erase our culture. Now they're trying to cancel Dickens!
http://www.dickens-online.info/nicholas-nickleby-page126.html
a complex issue, even with the usual wiki warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_work_of_Charles_Dickens
Because it’s association with a particular skin colour
One could argue that affluent middle aged men with rosy cheeks, beer bellies and reactionary politics are in fact: not a race...On the other hand it's like all other shorthand slurs, (like black people and fried chicken or calling people snowflake) just another piece of the culture war that makes everyone's life just that little bit less pleasant.
a complex issue,
In which case the fact that Dickens was diversely racist against both forriners and puffed up white men is at least a step towards his rehabilitation. 🙂 I would probably expect a 21st century man to be a little more enlightened, and usually be disappointed to find the reverse.
PS Was a joke really, just echoing the normal bleating about cancel culture you hear from the GBeebies crowd.
PPS Kirsty Gallacher, eh? They do like hiring drink-drivers, don't they?
One could argue that affluent middle aged men with rosy cheeks, beer bellies and reactionary politics are in fact: not a race…
trait based on skin colour.....
whilst I have sympathy for the need for a way of describing a group with particular issues with people on cycles it's not appropriate
They are currently interviewing Jed, from Oxford. He is a teenager. They are talking about his prom being cancelled. Big time.
Sound quality is appalling, I've dipped in a couple of times today and there has been a massive echo each time.
Update, Jed bought a new suit and can't wear it to the prom.
Update, Jed bough a new suit and can’t wear it to the prom.
What? The inhumanity.
Has he got a crowdfunder we can contribute to?
If it annoys the usual snowflakey woke types more the better
I love it when the offended people use the term snowflake because they don't like someone’s opinion. The ironary of it all is hilarious.
I see they've manged to secure the services part time historian and full-time rent a gob Neil Oliver.
Nice to see he's expanding his House Jock schtick to also include a bit of Anti-lockdown flavour.
PPS Kirsty Gallacher, eh? They do like hiring drink-drivers, don’t they?
Surely drink driving laws are an infringement of their civil liberties imposed on them by freedom-hating fascists?
Surely drink driving laws are an infringement of their civil liberties imposed on them by freedom-hating fascists?
I don't know, what does the bloke who runs Guido Fawkes have to say on it?
Oh.
If it annoys the usual snowflakey woke types more the better
You can tell a lot about a person who enjoys something specifically because someone else hates it, rather than on any merit of it’s own.
Nice to see he’s expanding his House Jock schtick to also include a bit of Anti-lockdown flavour.
Very "civic"
Surely drink driving laws are an infringement of their civil liberties imposed on them by freedom-hating fascists?
All laws restrict someones freedom. Can't believe I'm not allowed to go around murdering right wing idiots spouting false news.
I despise the use if the term “gammon”. I totally understand the type of people and views it represents, but the fact that we are happy to throw around what has become an insult to discuss someone with a different opinion to ours strikes me as being petty. Fighting prejudice with prejudice is a bit shit, really.
I dunno, it's probably a bit more polite than just calling people 'Bigots' and/or 'Racists' but also wonderfully descriptive, painting a perfect picture of the target(s) with a single word. Plus it's kind of reciprocal innit:
...snowflakey woke types...
They had plenty of names for those of us not on their wavelength, long before they were compared to a porcine product...
Ultimately if you were hoping for respectful discourse, without unpleasant name calling you're out of luck, this is the shape of modern social and political "debate" in the UK now...
As a side-note: I really don’t understand how ‘woke’ can be an insult. People proudly declaring their ignorance is so infuriating. I don’t get it.
That's half the point, indeed people who think labelling people, opinions or organisations they disagree with as "Antifa" tells a tale also.
To be labelled by some Gammony git as "Antifa" i.e. Anti-fascist, the very antithesis of an oppressive, enemy of freedom and inclusion, that's kind of a badge of honour really. And of course helpfully outlines the mindset of the person applying, what they see as a slur...
Ultimately its (arguably) an indication of a free society when Populist, Right-wingers are free to start their own propaganda "News" channel, it immediately disproves the claims that their views and opinions have been stifled...
I suppose we'll see how they get along with Offcom, the monologues are probably just a tester to see what the response is. If they've not picked up too many complaints after a few weeks, they'll probably start ramping up the US imports, and we'll see more 'Red-scare' gibberish, stories of Wokeness run wild and 'Antifa' and BLM pained as the enemies of <m>"our way of life"...
Give them time...
GBeebies
chapeau, much chapeau
Not mine, it's trending on Twitter, so chapeau to whoever came up with it. Fits perfectly.
I suppose we’ll see how they get along with Offcom,
Luclily Boris has that in hand..
After his number one choice of right wing racist bigot was rejected, the restarted the whole process and will continue to do us until he is accepted as head of Ofcom.....
That’s half the point, indeed people who think labelling people, opinions or organisations they disagree with as “Antifa” tells a tale also.
To be labelled by some Gammony git as “Antifa” i.e. Anti-fascist, the very antithesis of an oppressive, enemy of freedom and inclusion, that’s kind of a badge of honour really. And of course helpfully outlines the mindset of the person applying, what they see as a slur…
I expect their view of what antifa is and yours is somewhat different. They might associate it as a group associated with street violence and property destruction who spend a lot of time and energy looking for people they disagree with to have a fight and throw things at police officers
Of course it probably not like that and is misrepresented by mainstream media
