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Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
Nope, that's just an excuse for inaction and cowardice by the rest of the world.
Nope, that's just an excuse for inaction and cowardice by the rest of the world.
That's a logical fallacy. It could be viewed as an enabler - a country could take the view that recognising a Palestinian state and changing the country's motto to "Netanyahu is a bastard" is a free hit as it won't make any difference.
But it would, of course, due to Trump and the US. But that loops back around to the US being behind pretty much all of the pussyfooting around Netanyahu.
There is only one country that can truly influence Netanyahu.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
If that were the case Israel wouldn't be as obsessed with hasbara as it is.
And Trump wouldn't be kicking up such a stink about countries recognising the State of Palestine.
Nor would Trump be obsessed with expanding the Abraham Accords.
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
Full integration with the international community is absolutely vital for Israel
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
True.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
This may also be true.
If that were the case Israel wouldn't be as obsessed with hasbara as it is.
And Trump wouldn't be kicking up such a stink about countries recognising the State of Palestine.
Nor would Trump be obsessed with expanding the Abraham Accords.
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
Please tell me you realise what you have just done with that post.
🙏
Full integration with the international community is absolutely vital for Israel
Yup. They could operate militarily with just the USA support but it would put a lot of pressure on the economy and hence the government if countries actually started taking action in terms of sanctions and travel restrictions.
As it stands though they have murdered an Al Jazeera reporting team claiming one of them was actually an Hamas leader.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
This may also be true.
Oh I don't know, if Benjamin Netanyahu steps outside Israel or the United States and is arrested on suspicion of war crimes and genocide that might influence his behaviour a tad.
Can you believe this shit the freaks believe?, W-T-A-F
As a religious Jew, I thank you for your kind comments 😛
Anyway, according to orthodox Judaism:
a) it's absolutely forbidden to go on the temple mount in an 'unclean' state, on pain of heavenly punishment (usually seen as premature death of some sort).
b) it's impossible to become 'clean' for this purpose until the 3rd temple is built
c) the 3rd temple won't be built until the messiah comes
Meaning that the whole fighting over the temple mount is a bit ridiculous (again, according to orthodox Judaism) - firstly it's a catch-22 that you can't build the temple without going on the mount and you can't go on the mount until the temple is built, regardless of whether you have the red heifer or not.
What's my point? I'm not sure, I've lost track slightly and don't want to derail this thread into a religious discussion. But what these people do in the name of Judaism is, well... it isn't. If that wasn't clear already.
remove them by force at gunpoint just as they treat the Palestinian farmers, if they refuse then let their carcass fertilise the soil
There's a good solution 🙄
I was on the Big Bike Ride for Palestine on Saturday (hundreds of cyclists from North, West, and South, London, converged on East London) there were many stops on the way for rallies and refreshments. At one stop a very prominent Jewish Palestine activist made the point that not only did the zionists steal the land from the Palestinians but they also stole the identity of Judaism.
I think the fight back from the global Jewish community might have started. I don't know how long or how successful it will be though.
There's a good solution 🙄
What’s the solution to state sponsored ethnic cleansing and mass land grabs then?, the Zionist settlers kill with utter impunity and have the backing of the current Israeli government, would you agree to sanctioning the current Israeli government as a terrorist state?, it appears to meet the current guidelines for “state sponsor of terrorism”
Terrorism is generally defined as the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence government policy, or affect government conduct, often for political, religious, racial, or ideological reasons.
Terrorist acts can be carried out by individuals, groups, or states.
https://trt.global/world/article/67b9d73d0ba0
What’s the solution to state sponsored ethnic cleansing and mass land grabs then?
I don't know. But I'm pretty certain it's not "shoot them all and leave them to rot in the fields" (to paraphrase slightly).
I don't know. But I'm pretty certain it's not "shoot them all and leave them to rot in the fields" (to paraphrase slightly).
Well, that method certainly seems to be working out fine for the settlers just now, so while you're having theological discussions about purity and temple-building and whatnot, Netanyahu and pals are weaponing anti-semitism to maintain support for their atrocities.
Well, that method certainly seems to be working out fine for the settlers just now, so while you're having theological discussions about purity and temple-building and whatnot, Netanyahu and pals are weaponing anti-semitism to maintain support for their atrocities.
My "theological discussion" was just a side point about the Itamar Ben-Gvir thing on the previous page, and the ludicrousness of him doing something that's actually against traditional Judaism by praying on the temple mount.
I am genuinely not sure what your point is.
Good report by sky news on the Israeli government state sponsored settler violence in the West Bank
4min highlights/introduction vid below
Full 30min documentary below
I am genuinely not sure what your point is.
Two points:
1. you say that shooting people, and leaving the corpses to rot is not a solution. But it's the settlers' MO and it is working fine for them, so maybe the problem is not a corpse-disposal issue
2. talking about whether Ben Gvir's antics are in line with traditional Judaism feels reminiscent of Communists in Western Europe saying that the gulags (and other excesses) were "not real Communism". Maybe not, but as a matter of practical fact what Ben Gvir/the USSR does/did is defining Judaism/Communism, and if folk don't like their religion being hijacked, then they need to work harder to reclaim it.
Point of Information :
reminiscent of Communists in Western Europe saying that the gulags (and other excesses) were "not real Communism".
Communists in the Soviet Union made the same claim. The last gulag was closed down in 1960 on the orders of the general secretary of the CPSU, Nikita Khrushchev.
https://stroudtimes.com/dale-vince-stands-firm-on-flying-palestinian-flag-at-ecotricity/
I admire the geezer's style but I suspect that the council might be able to legally challenge his decision to fly the Palestinian flag simply because of the sheer size of it !
Starmer "two-faced" ?
Surely not !
Allowed to leave despite being caught in a predator sex ring
i https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/nevada-arrest-israeli-official
Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, 38, faces felony charges of luring a child with a computer for a sex act, alongside several other suspects who were apprehended during the two-week sting operation, the Las Vegas metropolitan police department said in a statement published on Friday. He has since been released from custody on $10,000 bail after an initial court appearance, records show, and returned to Israel.
Oh the irony of an Israeli government cybersecurity official being arrested for luring a child with a computer for a sex act. It must surely make him a huge security risk for the Israelis.
Although according to Netanyahu's office the Las Vegas metropolitan police department are in fact lying and he was never arrested.
Maybe the Las Vegas metropolitan police department are anti-semitic and making false claims?
Maybe the Las Vegas metropolitan police department are anti-semitic and making false claims?
Do you know, I think chief rabbi Mirvis is booked onto the Today Programme tomorrow to push this line. Probably chucking in something about Vegas being a den of iniquity etc.
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They really are sick ****s, I hope this drone pilot wakes up one morning and turns their weapon on themselves
How much more blood soaked can our revolting government get ?
There is the possibility of a proven alternative given a little time
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy promised to unblock the situation, stating at the end of June that agreements would be signed during the summer to start exporting military technologies in the format of launching production lines. Zelenskyy added that the plan includes exporting drone, artillery, and missile production technologies.
The association believes that the list of countries eligible to purchase Ukrainian technologies should include those that have signed security agreements. "They are our unquestionable partners. It's not just Western countries; for example, Japan is included. The pool of countries is broader, but priority should go to the EU, because we seek EU membership," said the Director-General.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/analytics/battle-tested-why-it-s-time-for-ukraine-to-1752563968.html
How much more blood soaked can our revolting government get ?
What interests me more is why haven't we reached the point where legal action against individuals in the current government can begin?
I find it very hard to believe that there isn't now a substantial case against Labour politicians, and possibly civil servants, for violating UK and international laws relating to war crimes and genocide.
Is it simply because the legal process in such matters is so slow? I honestly cannot believe that this Labour government will have managed to cover their arses that effectively, even with a former DPP as prime minister and a barrister as Foreign Secretary.
Btw when Sir Keir Starmer, who appears to be taking lessons in the art of lying from Benjamin Netanyahu, talks of Palestine Action targeting "Jewish businesses" I have no doubt that he is referring to companies such as Elbit.
Starmer is the sort of racist who would see Elbit Systems as a "Jewish company" rather than an Israeli company.
targeting "Jewish businesses" I have no doubt that he is referring to companies such as Elbit.
Hang on. I thought PA were planning a firebomb attack on East End Bagels. Have I misunderstood?
Right, it's September and Israel hasn't met Starmer's conditions - a ceasefire & reviving the prospect of a 2 state solution.
Is he going to honour his promise that the UK will recognise a Palestinian state or is it going to be quietly buried? I haven't heard any more mention of this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o
Starmer? Honour a promise? Well, I’m not holding my breath. Maybe Netanyahu will be swayed by a strong statement of regret?
Aaaand … U turn incoming
I really hope not and we do recognise a Palestinian state. I was hoping for a number of countries to follow France but apparently not.
Aaaand … U turn incoming
So he's flying here next Thursday?........nice plane....shame if anything happened to it.
I am literally lost for words, nothing says not interested in peace like bombing the negotiator's at the peace talks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c78m71vl91vt
And I'll bet the Qataris are thrilled that Trump effectively green-lighted the strike.
We are entering an era of bastards in power.
Madness. This is just plumbing new depths. It is unthinkable that the US knew about this beforehand and didn't put a stop to it.
What do we bet the UK's response as a global player* will be?
Will we get really serious and actually cease Netanyahu's chocolate rations rather than merely threatening it? Tough stuff?
*We are not a global player
Madness. This is just plumbing new depths. It is unthinkable that the US knew about this beforehand and didn't put a stop to it.
The U.S. only knew about the strike as it commenced due to their Quatari air defences on U.S bases
The U.S. only knew about the strike as it commenced due to their Quatari air defences on U.S bases
Oh, right.
So we can expect Trump to call Netanyahu to heel, then. Can we?
Bull. Shit.
What do we bet the UK's response as a global player* will be?
Well Starmer is still meeting the Israeli president and as a final act of infamy Lammy is maintaining that a genocide is not taking place. So - business as usual.
I think I'll need to avoid the news tonight, as I find the prospect of seeing pictures of Starmer outside No 10 shaking hands with the president of a genocidal, war-mongering country utterly sickening.
I don’t know how reliable these type of reports are, but on the face of it it seems to indicate complicity in the Doha bombing.
It wasn't covered in red paint by any chance?
I doubt the RAF tanker was involved. The IDF use mostly (exclusively for this sort of thing) US jets which have a probe or (flying boom) style refuelling receptacle, whereas RAF tankers have a hose and drogue type, which is incompatible. Including F35. We use F35-B, IDF use F35-A.
While the Airbus A330 Voyager aircraft can be equipped with the boom, the RAF versions (KC2 and KC3) only have hose and drogue.
Edit: The Qatar air force uses both French Rafale and UK made Typhoons which the KC2 can refuel, so it's more likely to have been providing support for them than the IDF
As if Israel need UK help. You've gotta love the mutually incompatible (but still strident) belief in the UK's global reach that exists on t'internet.
One bunch of people liking to imagine that the UK can just have a word and the likes of Netanyahu will suddenly shit himself and think twice.
Another bunch of people thinking we're complicit in IDF strikes.
The UK is relevant only as an arms supplier. And that is hardly significant. We voted ourselves out of our best shot at influence in 2016. Admittedly, that would make **** all difference in a Trump-Netanyahu driven conflict in any case.
Most likely the tanker was scheduled to enter the airspace at the same time as the attack and the yanks said "oh, it would be a bit bad if those **** limeys got shot down, we'd better tell them to circle for a while".
dont think they leave the beacon thing on when they are doing actual operations?!
"Release the hostages"
Hamas agree to negotiations in a third party country, an American ally no less
Israel bomb the peace talks, 1600km away
WT actual F
Why are Qatar now expelling american forces from the country?
Why are the international commmunity not hitting the roof?
What if Hamas agreed to come to negotiations in Europe, in France, Germany or the UK? how are those countries any different from Qatar? Cyprus would be a lot close than Qatar.
"Anti Islamic US Biker gang members run security at deadly Gaza aid sites".
Yup.
And (below) non-Israeli Jewish men who get horny about killing civilians can enrol in the IDF and indulge their passion.
But they'll all get away with it.
I think I'll need to avoid the news tonight, as I find the prospect of seeing pictures of Starmer outside No 10 shaking hands with the president of a genocidal, war-mongering country utterly sickening.
Let’s hope someone with a high altitude drone can drop a balloon filled with pigs blood over the pair of them as they stand at the door of #10
Yes but David Lammy says they haven’t, so that’s that.
with the Qatar thing last week (ish) its clear that the Israelis dont percieve any risk of come back. Theyve got America where they want them, and our pathetic western governments are too busy trying to balance the whims of the orange one to stand up and do anything at all.
Infact the lack of action by ANYONE regarding that attack cements their impunity.
My question is, what next?
Gaza is being cleared out as we speak. Before long their will only be refugees trying to scratch out a survival in the bordering nations, and the memory of Palestine.
Once that jobs done, do you think the world will move on?
Israel will go back to focusing on making weapons and computers bits, keeping American politics on a tight leash.
Trump will build his golf course over the graves of the palestinians.
The rest of us can turn back and go on back to bitching about potholes and the Kardashians
Pathetic that we are willing to sacrifice an entire people, to protect the balance of "the economy". Appalling.
Pathetic that we are willing to sacrifice an entire people, to protect the balance of "the economy". Appalling.
But at least Kviatkowski will be able to ride his bike in peace.
https://www.reddit.com/r/palestinenews/s/5ILBRd33or
UCI are doubting Spain's capability of hosting sporting events due to the number of disruptions to the Vuelta this year.
My question is, what next?
Exactly what I posted almost two years ago on the original (closed) thread….for which I received a fair bit of abuse,
”This attack (hamas attack) is the perfect slaughter that Netanyahu could wish for, he’s supported the growth of Hamas throughout his reign as he knows full well that a Hamas led Gaza will ensure there is no desire within Israel for a two state solution and the recent slaughter of Israelis will give Netanyahu his excuse to carry out a 2nd Nakba and permanently erase the Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and West Bank, this will be fully enabled by the Whitehouse and the evangelical Christian right within the U.S.”
Trump has won, they line up to lick the ring and offer gifts
Exactly what I posted almost two years ago on the original (closed) thread…
To be fair, that didn’t need much of a crystal ball. Unfortunately.
Exactly what I posted almost two years ago on the original (closed) thread…
To be fair, that didn’t need much of a crystal ball. Unfortunately.
Not according to some apologists for the Israeli regime with the most moral army in the world, they have kept rather quiet this past while, good……I doubt I could hold my contempt for them inline with the forum rules
UCI are doubting Spain's capability of hosting sporting events due to the number of disruptions to the Vuelta this year.
The Spanish government goes up in my esteem and the UCI down, though the UCI was so low already lower is difficult.
I'm surprised that no one's posted about the recognition of The State of Palestine by Australia, Canada & the UK.
It feels huge but whether it actually makes a difference remains to be seen.
That’s 150 of the UN member states recognising Palestine as a state now.
Much too little, far too late. Meanwhile they refuse to acknowledge that a genocide is taking place.
The recognition of Palestine as a state is a good thing. I don't think it will change much for ordinary Palestinians. I hope this isn't an excuse to do nothing beyond here. I'm happy to see it was in partnership with Canada and Australia - the UK has to dispose of its delusion that it can achieve anything on major geopolitical issues alone. I'd prefer to see closer work with the EU.
with the Qatar thing last week (ish) its clear that the Israelis dont percieve any risk of come back. Theyve got America where they want them,
That $300m plane bribe that Qataris gave Trump doesn't seem to have bought much...
Makes **** all difference in the real world, cynical ploy by starmer to appear to be doing something positive.
If he wants to do something positive then place sanctions on every single person who lives in Occupied Palestinian Territories, sanction produce from the occupied territories, sanction every member of Netanyahu’s government.
That’ll do to start with, treat apartheid Israel the exact same way apartheid South Africa was treated
place sanctions on every single person who lives in Occupied Palestinian Territories...
seems a bit harsh on the Palestinians
place sanctions on every single person who lives in Occupied Palestinian Territories...
seems a bit harsh on the Palestinians
Smart arse, but I guess you knew I meant every Israeli who lives in occupied Palestine territory
https://twitter.com/malsaafin/status/1969422454645792783
place sanctions on every single person who lives in Occupied Palestinian Territories...
seems a bit harsh on the Palestinians
Smart arse, but I guess you knew I meant every Israeli who lives in occupied Palestine territory
I suppose we can refer to "Palestine" now.
If you wanted to do what you're describing, you'd need to designate each of the settlers by name. The alternative would the Crimea approach, where the whole area is subject to sanctions - but that includes the Palestinian residents too.
That approach doesn't offend or worry me, but it's totally beyond the administrative capabilities and bandwidth of the part of the UK government that manages this shit. Like every other part of the civil service, it's totally underwater...
Just put sanctions on Israel, it is long overdue.
Just put sanctions on Israel, it is long overdue.
Build a wall round Israel and treat the nation state as the Israeli's treat the Palestinians, **** Netanyahu, **** his goon squad of a government, **** every israeli who stands in the way of stopping this slaughter
There is already a recent example of the type of sanctions that can be implemented, its not like the UK government needs to reinvent the wheel.
Why do you think that a country currently committing genocide should not be sanctioned?
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/uk-sanctions-on-russia
Just put sanctions on Israel, it is long overdue.
What kind of sanctions?
The entire country and its population?
OK - and what would you like to stop? All trade, goods and services?
Forgive me but I'm just a gob on a forum with zero experience of implementation of sanctions, I'm sure we have experts for that sort of thing
personally I'd wish to stop all trade, services and travel.
Just put sanctions on Israel, it is long overdue.
What kind of sanctions?
The entire country and its population?
OK - and what would you like to stop? All trade, goods and services?
personally I'd wish to stop all trade, services and travel.
Then you're never going to believe who's gonna end up suffering most in that scenario. Yep, it's the Palestinians again. You know that Palestine doesn't have any seaports or airports, right? And that Israel controls all the land borders, including the crossing points with Egypt and Lebanon? And that there is no Palestinian currency?
So if there are no imports or exports or cross-border transactions for any Israeli persons, there won't be any for Palestinians either because they all have to pass through Israeli institutions thanks to the facts on the ground.
The already weak Palestinian export sector (I've bought dates, olive oil and fashion from Palestinian producers and had them sent to the UK) and tourism sector (people still visit East Jerusalem and Bethlehem, at least) will finally be choked and the Palestinian economy will be entirely dependent on Israel.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46142188
Then you're never going to believe who's gonna end up suffering most in that scenario. Yep, it's the Palestinians again. You know that Palestine doesn't have any seaports or airports, right? And that Israel controls all the land borders, including the crossing points with Egypt and Lebanon? And that there is no Palestinian currency?
Yeah….you do like to appear more knowledgeable than other forum posters don’t you with veiled critical language
About that thing where Israel controls the Egyptian border, they can gtf with that, build a suitable sea port in Gaza so they can have a modicum of independence and if Israel object?, they can gtf with that, build an airport and if Israel don’t like that………yep you’re catching on……..they can gtf with that.
As for currency?, now Palestine is recognised by the vast majority of all UN members apart from the war mongers and previous holocaust regimes then I think it’s time to organise and develop a monetary/payment/currency structure of their own that is backed by Qatar (perhaps?)
Tell you what…..Israel can just gtf.